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Is Everybody going to heaven?

Will everyone go to heaven?

  • Yes: Hell does not exist

  • Yes: Hell does exist but it is not permenant (God will rehab every soul)

  • No:There is a literal hell and those who go there never come back

  • I don't have an opinion / undecided


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Rajni

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Ah, so everything I've done is Gods will. Thats shocking.
Even the bad things. Didn't know God made me do them.
You might be surprised.
It was God Himself who hardened Pharaoh's heart. :) God is more in control of things than is commonly thought:
The mind of man plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps (Proverbs 16:9).

The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord (Proverbs 16:33).

Many are the plans in a man's heart, but the counsel of the Lord will be established (Proverbs 19:21).

Man's steps are ordained by the Lord(Proverbs 20:24).

The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the LORD; He turns it wherever He wishes. (Proverbs 21:1)

"For it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

"all things through Him did happen, and without Him happened not even one thing that hath happened." (John 1:3)

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in Me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5)

"I know, O LORD, that a man's life is not his own; it is not for man to direct his steps." (Jeremiah 10:23)

"But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." (John 3:21)

"Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father." (Matthew 10:29)

"In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will," (Ephesians 1:11)

"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for You created all things, and by Your will they were created and have their being." (Revelation 4:11)

"Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in Me? The words I say to you are not just My own. Rather, it is the Father, living in Me, who is doing His work." (John 14:10)

"Jesus gave them this answer: 'I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by Himself; He can do only what He sees His Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.'" (John 5:19)

"On that day you will realize that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you." (John 14:20)
Human "free" will gets confused with Divine Sovereign will. We have a limited range of choices we can make, due to divinely-established parameters. For instance, you cannot, by sheer force of will, levitate off the ground anytime you want to. I can't "will" my eyes to change color from blue to violet. Our wills are not free to do those things.

All this is why I say that "free" will is a myth.
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Very true. The KJV mentions unicorns, at least six times. Are unicorns real? No (unfortunately).:)

Exactly!!:thumbsup:

:amen: I have more interest in what King Jesus has to say than I do what King James had to say.



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Pie in the sky thinking! Jesus expects you to be into the Word of God to know what He says, as well as not opposing those who actually love and follow His Word.
 
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Oh, but yes, it IS so - He gave man free-will and the sinful choices Man has made from the beginning has caused the entropy of Creation - which is why scripture states "all Creation groans awaiting the final redemption." But G-d alone is responsible for keeping His Word intact and all the agencies of man and the intent of hell can't prevent Him from preserving the unsullied message of redemption and salvation....

Amen! So great to have truth-tellers here in this thread! Welcome!
 
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Universalism, as a Christian doctrine, is the belief that all men will eventually be saved, and that salvation is in Christ alone. We are born again, bible believing Christians who love God's word and have a personal relationship with Jesus. Don't confuse us with non Christians, who speak of "Christ consciousness", and the cross as just a beautiful act of love. We recognize that the cross and the blood of Jesus were absolutely necessary for the redemption of sinners.

It is appreciated what is believed, but it is still wrong according to the Word. It is in effect a belief in some other god, who has a defective personality, with an absence of Justice, of wrath, and absolute holiness that bars the presence of evil. It also brings the cross to NO effect for salvation for without the cross and the expensive blood of Jesus the Saviour, personally and individually accepted as ransom, there is no hope of heaven. That important truth is denied, and is not viewed as Christianity, but rather a false doctrine of demonic origin.
 
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Floatingaxe, your previous post makes it obvious that you don't know the universalist postion. We believe that only the blood of Christ can ransom sinners and there must be a personal acceptance of Christ. Our disagreement is over when that acceptance of Him must take place.

In regard to your post #333, I have some good news, and some bad news. First, the bad news: You may have blasphemed the H.S. The good news is that you aren't going to burn forever in hell fire. The Greek text just says for the next age. Seriously, you go too far. Why not stay on topic and just present arguments about your doctrine of endless torture?
 
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God's acceptance of the sacrifice was all that was needed. The sacrifice was to Him for us.

The sacrifice was not made to us that we should be the ones to determine it's worthiness.

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That is completely man's reasoning, not God's.

Jesus died to buy our pardon, but we must appropriate it ourselves by coming to God in faith, BELIEVING. Most people will die in unbelief and miss their salvation. It's a forever thing. Hence Jesus' urgency that we tell the world that very truth!

Universalists don't have that urgency for the lost to be saved, for they believe everyone already is, which is anti-Christ doctrine.
 
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Floatingaxe, your previous post makes it obvious that you don't know the universalist postion. We believe that only the blood of Christ can ransom sinners and there must be a personal acceptance of Christ. Our disagreement is over when that acceptance of Him must take place.

Your variance is with God...not me.

In regard to your post #333, I have some good news, and some bad news. First, the bad news: You may have blasphemed the H.S. The good news is that you aren't going to burn forever in hell fire. The Greek text just says for the next age. Seriously, you go too far. Why not stay on topic and just present arguments about your doctrine of endless torture?

I couldn't ever blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

The inspired word of God tells us that hellfire penalty is forever and it DOES NOT speak of any age subsequent. It's the end, it's over, that's all, folks!

Seriously--Universalists go too far revising God's plans to suit their own sensibilities. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen--don't remodel it.
 
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Revelation 14:9-11
Then a third angel followed them, shouting, “Anyone who worships the beast and his statue or who accepts his mark on the forehead or on the hand must drink the wine of God’s anger. It has been poured full strength into God’s cup of wrath. And they will be tormented with fire and burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb.The smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever, and they will have no relief day or night, for they have worshiped the beast and his statue and have accepted the mark of his name.”
 
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Pie in the sky thinking!
Bless your heart, FA, you've got a label for everything, don't you?

Jesus expects you to be into the Word of God to know what He says...
Jesus is the word of God. Yes, I'm quite into Him. :)

...as well as not opposing those who actually love and follow His Word.
Speaking of which, I've been meaning to ask you ... why do you do that, FA?
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Most people will die in unbelief and miss their salvation. It's a forever thing.
Could you show me where in Scripture you see it saying "most will die in unbelief and miss their salvation"? Thanks in advance!



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I'm sure if the same poll was given in a UR forum the results would really reflect the truth... :p

This is no UR forum, is it? The truth is here. You are in the right place if you desire the truth.
 
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Universalists tip toe through the Word of God, ripping out the daisies and trampling on the roses.
Yes, we're all quite aware of how you feel about those who don't agree with you, FA. As always, thanks for sharing. :)


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