Is Everybody going to heaven?

[HEisGoodalways]

WHO is "we"?

It is ONLY Christians!

Mathew 7 sis, love you

 

[HighwayMan]

The funny thing is that from the 80% of the people here who voted for hell, not all are from the same church, and as such a good number will go to hell forever (if we assume it is true).

The path to truth might indeed be very small and hidden - but to claim that all (90% of all creation) that fail to find it will be cut off forever is nothing short of a demonic theology, no matter what way you spin it.

It's like if you put 10 of your children on a trampoline over a pitfall and watch 9 of them fall to their deaths. Even if you can claim you've been shouting directions and pointing the way - it's beyond monstrous.

 

[HEisGoodalways]

The funny thing is that from the 80% of the people here who voted for hell, not all are from the same church, and as such a good number will go to hell forever (if we assume it is true).

The path to truth might indeed be very small and hidden - but to claim that all (90% of all creation) that fail to find it will be cut off forever is nothing short of a demonic theology, no matter what way you spin it.

It's like if you put 10 of your children on a trampoline over a pitfall and watch 9 of them fall to their deaths. Even if you can claim you've been shouting directions and pointing the way - it's beyond monstrous.

Amen Bro, Every human being who has been fearfully and wonderfully made in His image will be refined and purified in His SPIRITUAL fire sooner or later, we're all gonna make it, he who has no sin cast the first stone

Isn't that some good news, we're all gonna make it , HE did it for ALL mankind!!! Thank God, We have been chosen in this life,amen!!

 

[Floatingaxe]

It's already come down out of heaven "My kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth"?

Stop distracting. No it has not come down.

 

[HEisGoodalways]

Stop distracting. No it has not come down.

It's in us and all around us, Glory!!!

 

[Floatingaxe]

Mathew 7 sis, love you

One of my favourites!

Matthew 7:6 RE: WISDOM IN CORRECT JUDGMENT...
“Don’t waste what is holy on people who are unholy.

verse 13-14 RE: THE NARROW GATE...
“You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell[f] is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.

verse 15-20 RE: THE TREE AND ITS FRUIT...
15 “Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. 16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 19 So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 20 Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.

verses 21-22 RE: TRUE DISCIPLES...
21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 Don’t throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

 

[Floatingaxe]

It's in us and all around us, Glory!!!

It is in believers, of course, but you are derailing here, because we are discussing the time of the end where the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven over the earth...AFTER JUDGMENT of the wicked, who have no place in the Kingdom, ever.

Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

 

[HEisGoodalways]

the Kingdom Of God

May the blessed spirit of truth make very real to all who read these lines that the phrase “the Kingdom of God” is only a manner of speaking. That is why Jesus never said, “The Kingdom of God is such and such,” but always, “the Kingdom of God is like such and such.” He explained the Kingdom in terms of parables and metaphors. There is actually no such entity as the Kingdom. It is not a kind of visible structure or outward establishment that God sets up. “The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there!” It is rather God Himself exerting His rightful power to actually rule by His Spirit over all people, to bring them consciously under His control, to subdue them to His purposes, and direct them by His will. When Jesus speaks of the Kingdom as “coming,” He does not mean some “thing” or some “age” or something else which is to appear or begin. He speaks of God Himself making His rule effective in the hearts and affairs of men. May God help us to see the great and eternal truth that when we speak of the Kingdom of God we are talking about something that has no existence at all apart from GOD HIMSELF. Just as we speak of the grace of God, the mercy of God, the love of God, the wisdom of God, the righteousness of God, or the power of God, we deceive ourselves if we think of them as having some tangible existence apart from God Himself. They are merely verbal ways of describing God Himself as He acts and manifests out of His state of being. So the Kingdom of God is a way of speaking of God Himself as He moves in power and glory and goodness and wisdom and righteousness to influence and rule in the hearts and activities of men

 

[Floatingaxe]

The funny thing is that from the 80% of the people here who voted for hell, not all are from the same church, and as such a good number will go to hell forever (if we assume it is true).

The path to truth might indeed be very small and hidden - but to claim that all (90% of all creation) that fail to find it will be cut off forever is nothing short of a demonic theology, no matter what way you spin it.

It's like if you put 10 of your children on a trampoline over a pitfall and watch 9 of them fall to their deaths. Even if you can claim you've been shouting directions and pointing the way - it's beyond monstrous.

Would you like to know Jesus as Saviour and know God as the One who created you for relationship with Him? He loves you so much that He sent His own son to brutally die on a cross, shedding his blood to wash you clean from your sin stain and make you righteous for that relationship to be possible!

Then you will receive a crown of righteousness and a home in heaven with Him forever.

Those who refuse, of course will miss this wonderful gift, and the God of all is not a monster for it in any way. he is just and those who sin receive due penalty. any God who would let a murderer go free while the victims stand by watching in horror is considered a maniac, worthy of lynching--now a God like that is a monster. Not the God i know and love.

Come to know Jesus personally, today!

 

[icedtea]

 

[Floatingaxe]

Hahaha!

 

[HEisGoodalways]

 

[HEisGoodalways]

Ok gals, question, in old test, where was the temple built?

 

[icedtea]

The post before mine said Come to know Jesus personally (go check) and that was my onionhead response.

 

[Floatingaxe]

This is the Spirit-filled/Charismatic forum.

btw: God gives EVERYONE a chance to know the truth of Jesus. Children are not sent to Hell--they are under the blood of Jesus until they come to the time in life where they realize their need to repent of sin.

 

[SpiritDriven]

Hitler, Stalin, Osma bin Laden, Nero, Bloody Mary, fill in the blank...

???


Just curious to hear everyone's answers and explanations...

Actualy at the consumation of Gods plan for man, as the New Heaven New Earth era comes to a close you will see people like Stalin , Hitler, and Nero etc amongst those giving the loudest praise to God over the ransom paid for all at the Cross, by his Son, which is now being testified too in full.

See 1 Timothy 2 about the correspondent ransom paid for all that will be testified in Due time, and 1 Timothy 4 verses 9 through to 11....

I noted the concensus of popular opinion at the OP Poll does show that only a few will find their way to the narrow gate....as foretold....the penalty for not believing Gods testimoney in regards to his son, is to miss the First ressurection, and be raised to the Great White Throne Judgement instead.

Satanic Doctrine is prolific around Christendom at the moment, but as with the Story of Job, we know Satan had to get permission from God to proliferate his Doctrines.

Eternal Torment.....Christ did not pay the Ransom for all at the Cross

Free Will.....Man saves himself via an act of his own Free Will....Jesus fell short at the Cross, and is not the Saviour of the World, that he will not draw all unto himself if he be exalted out of the Earth etc.

The ET;rs may hold sway in the concensus of popular opinion....but that means nothing to God.

Basicly the Demonic Doctrines that proliferate Christendom today, is God using Satan to harden those who are not the elect for the first ressurection.

We who are of the complement predestined to be part of the administration of the eras to head up all in the Christ, have no say in Gods predestinating.

We are only aware that our place has been predestined to point to Gods word for those pre destinated to hear and believe....that not only is God the saviour of all.....he is declared so in Scripture.


Grace and Peace to you all.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Romans 1:20
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

 

[HEisGoodalways]

Judgment is God's strange work. He uses it as a tool in His redemptive and restorative processes. Men make it the end. But judgment is always a means to an end – never THE END! No matter how an unbeliever is dealt with, whether he dies as a result of his sin, or by the direct judgment of God; whether he be cast into hell, or turned into the lake of fire – THIS IS NOT HIS END. All men will be raised up either into a resurrection of life or a resurrection of judgment (Jn. 5:29), but for the latter THIS IS NOT THEIR END. All judgments are limited – confined to a day, or to the limitation of prescribed ages. "Because He has appointed A DAY, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He has ordained" (Acts 17:31). "And the smoke of their torment does go up to AGES OF AGES (ages are in time, not eternity); and they have no rest DAY and NIGHT (time periods), who are bowing before the beast and his image..." (Rev. 14:11, Young's Literal ). The Concordant Literal New Testament reads, "And the fumes of their torment are ascending FOR THE EONS OF THE EONS. And they are having no rest DAY and NIGHT..." God's great goal lies BEYOND THE AGES, on the OTHER SIDE OF TIME AND JUDGMENTS, for "He planned for the maturity of the times and the climax of the ages (the end of all time periods and ages) to UNIFY A-L-L T-H-I-N-G-S AND HEAD THEM UP AND CONSUMMATE THEM IN CHRIST" (Eph. 1:10, Amplified). GOD ALL IN ALL is the grand goal (I Cor. 15:27-28). God does not reach His goal during any of His judgmental or disciplinary measures wrought out in time. These only break and mold and prepare His creatures for it. Let us not confuse the process with the goal. The process involves JUDGMENT IN TIME. The goal is ALL THINGS GATHERED TOGETHER INTO CHRIST – in eternity. The end of divine judgment – no matter its form, no matter its subject – is to bring the whole universe into harmony with His will, nature and glory. With what optimism did the holy prophets and apostles regard the coming of the Lord in judgment! Note the expectation in Isaiah's spirit as he announces: "Yea, in the way of Your judgments, O Lord, have we waited for Thee. With my soul have I desired You in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek You early: for when Your judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Isa. 26:8-9). Here Isaiah assures us that the day when God's judgments are in the earth will be a most glorious and desirable day, a day in which the inhabitants of the world W-I-L-L LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS! How opposite to the idea entertained by many that when God's judgments come into the earth the inhabitants of the world will "get what they deserve" and be sent into oblivion or eternal damnation. If the desire of your heart is anything like the desire of my heart, this is a blessed thought and a wonderful assurance: the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS! How my ransomed soul yearns to behold the wonder of such a thing! Every time I scan the headlines of the morning paper I am seized with an intense longing that the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. Oft times as I watch the evening newscast my spirit is mightily moved within to intercede earnestly that the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. As I drive across our great land; as I walk the streets of our cities and towns, observing the condition of those about: neighbors, friends, relatives, strangers, the young and the old, my spirit groans with unutterable supplications that the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness! What a marvelous provision of our all-wise and loving Father that, to this very end, He has ordained judgment to come forth in the earth. Bless His name!

 

[Floatingaxe]

Actualy at the consumation of Gods plan for man, as the New Heaven New Earth era comes to a close you will see people like Stalin , Hitler, and Nero etc amongst those giving the loudest praise to God over the ransom paid for all at the Cross, by his Son, which is now being testified too in full.

See 1 Timothy 2 about the correspondent ransom paid for all that will be testified in Due time, and 1 Timothy 4 verses 9 through to 11....

I noted the concensus of popular opinion at the OP Poll does show that only a few will find their way to the narrow gate....as foretold....the penalty for not believing Gods testimoney in regards to his son, is to miss the First ressurection, and be raised to the Great White Throne Judgement instead.

Satanic Doctrine is prolific around Christendom at the moment, but as with the Story of Job, we know Satan had to get permission from God to proliferate his Doctrines.

Eternal Torment.....Christ did not pay the Ransom for all at the Cross

Free Will.....Man saves himself via an act of his own Free Will....Jesus fell short at the Cross, and is not the Saviour of the World, that he will not draw all unto himself if he be exalted out of the Earth etc.

The ET;rs may hold sway in the concensus of popular opinion....but that means nothing to God.

Basicly the Demonic Doctrines that proliferate Christendom today, is God using Satan to harden those who are not the elect for the first ressurection.

We who are of the complement predestined to be part of the administration of the eras to head up all in the Christ, have no say in Gods predestinating.

We are only aware that our place has been predestined to point to Gods word for those pre destinated to hear and believe....that not only is God the saviour of all.....he is declared so in Scripture.


Grace and Peace to you all.

Universalism is the ugliest and most vile doctrine devised by Satan today.

 

[HighwayMan]

This is the Spirit-filled/Charismatic forum.

btw: God gives EVERYONE a chance to know the truth of Jesus.

But I just gave you 20 reasons why that is NOT true. It seems that you believe that everyone on Earth is sitting in a classroom being thought the Bible and then giving the time to decide whether to believe it or not. This is just completely absurd. There are third world countries, poor 2nd world counties, even many people in 1st world countries who never get a fair chance.

Children are not sent to Hell--they are under the blood of Jesus until they come to the time in life where they realize their need to repent of sin.

Nowhere is this found in the Bible. And the whole "age of accountability" idea anyway is filled with large enough gaps of logic and reason to drive a truck through.

I realize the general sense here is to continue "fighting for your faith no matter what you hear" but the truth is you are defying basic human reason, which God gave you for a purpose - to use it. No matter how much you try to cram it in, 2 + 2 will never make 5.