Is Distributing Bibles Illegal in Schools?

[eldermike]

Love of who? Certainly not these children. If they loved them than they would respect them enough not to push their religion on them.

Respect is not love. I respect spiders, I do not love them.

 

[eldermike]

For many Christians, love != respect. Rather, "love" means treating everyone around you as though they're helpless and unable to think for themselves, and as if you need to micromanage their lives for them, rather than simply let them be.

Oh yeah, children can think for themsevles, that seems to be working just fine.
And, "let them be", another magic fomula for the mess we are making of this society.

My daughter is a teacher, my grandson is in private school. The system will not even keep it's own.

The bible is the best thing that ever happned to this world. It's the best plan for life we have.
People read it and instantly go brain dead (to the world), it's so dangerous it has been known to remove drugs from whole households. The effects are downright scary, a kid might understand that he's not pond skum. He may learn that love is unconditional, that forgivness is freedom, who knows what the affects of such learnings might be...

Yes to vouchers!

 

[Westvleteren]

Oh yeah, children can think for themsevles, that seems to be working just fine.
And, "let them be", another magic fomula for the mess we are making of this society.

My daughter is a teacher, my grandson is in private school. The system will not even keep it's own.

The bible is the best thing that ever happned to this world. It's the best plan for life we have.
People read it and instantly go brain dead (to the world), it's so dangerous it has been known to remove drugs from whole households. The effects are downright scary, a kid might understand that he's not pond skum. He may learn that love is unconditional, that forgivness is freedom, who knows what the affects of such learnings might be...

Yes to vouchers!

I read the Bible in school and found freedom.

I found human dignity and a reason to live every moment to its fullest, to treasure ephemeral beauty, to seek the liberty of forgiveness and the wholeness of loving my fellow human beings and of trying to bring more compassion and joy to the world.

In atheism.

 

[Ringo84]

So they can easily influence the minds of the children which look up to them (adults) for knowledge.

Personally, I don't think any religion should be able to distribute their materials at school when children are learning. Kids should be able to bring their own material to read for personal use if they are not causing a disruption or reading during class time, but adults should not be able to shove religion (regardless of type) at the kids of others. Although I believe this is how things already are for the most part, lol. Religion has no place in public schools.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to sacredsin again."
Ringo

 

[eldermike]

I read the Bible in school and found freedom.

I found human dignity and a reason to live every moment to its fullest, to treasure ephemeral beauty, to seek the liberty of forgiveness and the wholeness of loving my fellow human beings and of trying to bring more compassion and joy to the world.

In atheism.

Some of the things you mention are biblical truths. Who knows where your journey may take you? I'll pray that God draws you to Him.

God bless

 

[Donkeytron]

Oh yeah, children can think for themsevles, that seems to be working just fine.
And, "let them be", another magic fomula for the mess we are making of this society.

My daughter is a teacher, my grandson is in private school. The system will not even keep it's own.

The bible is the best thing that ever happned to this world. It's the best plan for life we have.
People read it and instantly go brain dead (to the world), it's so dangerous it has been known to remove drugs from whole households. The effects are downright scary, a kid might understand that he's not pond skum. He may learn that love is unconditional, that forgivness is freedom, who knows what the affects of such learnings might be...

Yes to vouchers!

He might also decide that shrimp are evil, and that its ok to massacre entire cities if theyve offended god in some inexplicable way or other. At least, thats what an impressionable young mind might get from the first half!

What is this nonsense about pond scum supposed to mean?

 

[flicka]

We have a "bible guy" who passes out small NT's outside of the middle school every year. It's fine with everyone because people can just walk by and say no thanks. I can't imagine why anyone would think it's OK to be on campus/part of school doing this though. Even a child knows it isn't cool to peddle faith.

My son (non religious) went to an evangelical church with one of his friends a few months ago, just a youth group thing. At one point someone asked the leader how they could help "convert" their Muslim friend. My son, being the kind, intelligent sort that he is, instinctively knew that the correct answer would be "don't try to turn your friends against their parents and families faith....just let them see how you live your own faith", etc. Sadly the leader wasn't as bright and started giving tips on how to win her over by pointing out what was wrong with her religion and why she should convert to Christianity. My son was appalled.

 

[DeathMagus]

Oh yeah, children can think for themsevles, that seems to be working just fine.
And, "let them be", another magic fomula for the mess we are making of this society.

Teach children what to think, and you get a person who digests, turns around, and spits back out what they were told. Worthless. Teach kids how to think, and everything else falls into place.

The bible is the best thing that ever happned to this world. It's the best plan for life we have.

You demonstrate that you were never taught how to think, since you spout off claims like this with no basis in reality - merely in Christian propaganda. If your parents and teachers had taught you how to think, you'd instantly notice several very disturbing errors in your statement above.

People read it and instantly go brain dead (to the world),

AKA - lose touch with reality.

it's so dangerous it has been known to remove drugs from whole households. The effects are downright scary, a kid might understand that he's not pond skum. He may learn that love is unconditional, that forgivness is freedom, who knows what the affects of such learnings might be...

Again, you repeat what you learned, not what follows logical, rational thought.

Yes to vouchers!

I'll say it again - Senior citizens don't get tax relief - why should you?

 

[BlackAndy]

So the taxpayers can pay for your kids' religious instruction?

I don't understand why it's such a big deal to have secular public schools. Why should people not instruct their children in their religion the way they feel it should be done? Why are people so eager for the government to be doing that job?

I pay more in taxes each year than I do for my childrens tuition.
I'd like that part of my taxes to go toward the school of our choice, where the curriculum is determined by myself and the faculty - not the government. I want freedom from government involvement in my childs education.

If the public school systems were truly secular and did not try to influence my childs opinions on so many things with which we disagree then I might consider sending them to one- but so long as the schools are permitted to teach that homosexual behavior is natural, that our world is not a creation of God, and all of the other relativistic BS they teach kids today then we'll have no part of it.
What we teach in the home and what is taught in their private school is consistent.

 

[DeathMagus]

I pay more in taxes each year than I do for my childrens tuition.
I'd like that part of my taxes to go toward the school of our choice, where the curriculum is determined by myself and the faculty - not the government. I want freedom from government involvement in my childs education.

If you're for completely privatized school systems, that'd be a logical, consistent position. Vouchers, on the other hand, make no sense. Under the current system, your school tax dollars are not paying for your kid's education. That's not the way it works. Everyone in your district is paying a tax to invest in the educational future of said district, regardless of individual use. Vouchers only make sense if you, under the current system, are paying for your children's education - but you're not.

If the public school systems were truly secular and did not try to influence my childs opinions on so many things with which we disagree then I might consider sending them to one- but so long as the schools are permitted to teach that homosexual behavior is natural, that our world is not a creation of God, and all of the other relativistic BS they teach kids today then we'll have no part of it.

Are you saying that a "truly secular" school system would condemn homosexuality (for which only religious reasons exist), tell children that the world is God's creation, or that there is an absolute moral authority laid out by an all-powerful god?

You might want to check the definition of "secular" again.

What we teach in the home and what is taught in their private school is consistent.

That's because it's not secular.

 

[Westvleteren]

I pay more in taxes each year than I do for my childrens tuition.
I'd like that part of my taxes to go toward the school of our choice, where the curriculum is determined by myself and the faculty - not the government. I want freedom from government involvement in my childs education.

If you accept tuition vouchers from the government, the government becomes involved in your child's education. Do you think the government will put tax dollars into any school without requiring reporting and accountability?

Don't you think it's better for religious schools to remain free of any government involvement?

 

[SteveAtheist]

I pay more in taxes each year than I do for my childrens tuition.
I'd like that part of my taxes to go toward the school of our choice, where the curriculum is determined by myself and the faculty - not the government. I want freedom from government involvement in my childs education.

If the public school systems were truly secular and did not try to influence my childs opinions on so many things with which we disagree then I might consider sending them to one- but so long as the schools are permitted to teach that homosexual behavior is natural, that our world is not a creation of God, and all of the other relativistic BS they teach kids today then we'll have no part of it.
What we teach in the home and what is taught in their private school is consistent.

First off Andy, I attended Catholic school for 13 years, so sending your children to a religious school will certainly not gaurantee their faith for years to come.

Using tax money to pay for public education benefits society as a whole. The more educated a society, the less crime and poverty. You get greater technological advancement, more doctors and egineers and a stronger economy. You may think that you get no benefit from the public school system, but we all benefit from our educational system.

Now, as far as what you think the public school system teaches that is 'relativistic BS' consider that homosexuality occurs in nature, outside of humanity, all the time and therefore is 'natural'. It does not produce offspring, but neither does masturbation which also occurs in nature. The belief that our world is a creation from God is your belief, and you are entitled to it, but it is a religious belief and should not be taught in schools (unless you think that the Hindu creation myth, with Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, etc., should be taught).

If what you teach at home and what they are taught in school is consistent, then good for you. You have found the right school for your family and you make the choice not to use the public education system that our society greatly needs to ensure its future.

 

[Robby]

I remember in grade school there were some Gideons who came and gave us all little Bibles; they (the Bibles) really smelled good, but for the life of me I could not understand them. Maybe it was the King James English.

 

[TexasSky]

The entire purpose of the Giddeons is to make the bible available to everyone on earth. Whether you use it or not after you receive it is between you and God.

At schools where they ARE allowed to distribute God's word, they stand quietly, with the box of bible's at their feet, and one in their hand. As someone passes they hold out the bible and say, "Would you like a bible?" If the student says no, they smile and say, "God bless you." If the student says yes, they are given a bible.

Other groups DO do this kind of thing. Political groups do it, activist groups do it all the time.