Is Contraception Destructive?

[Gishin]

I didn't see that in the article.

there is quite a difference in divorce rates between people who contracept and people who practice NFP

see e.g. the scientific Lerner survey, which found less that a 1% divorce rate among NFP couples

so I think there is hard data to support the historic Trinitarian Church's teaching

NFP is taking it out of God's hands!

 

[patricius79]

Haaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha if you had any idea what my sex life is like using condoms your head would explode. Let's just say it's plenty lively.

I can't comment on anyone personally and don't wish to offend anyone's dignity since Jesus Christ died for each person

I do think that eroticism can mimic an authentic sexual life while the wood is green

but I think that only purity--the complete gift of self, including one's natural fertility--is truly nurturing and life-giving

please don't think I am in any way judging you. I wouldn't want you to know too much about my history, since I'm a great sinner

 

[Gishin]

What a cop out. You might be happy, but is it the true happiness that only NFP practicing catholics have?

 

[Chajara]

I can't comment on anyone personally and don't wish to offend anyone's dignity since Jesus Christ died for each person

I do think that eroticism can mimic an authentic sexual life while the wood is green

but I think that only purity--the complete gift of self, including one's natural fertility--is truly nurturing and life-giving

please don't think I am in any way judging you. I wouldn't want you to know too much about my history, since I'm a great sinner

Don't get me wrong, man... when my husband is making more money and I can afford to stay home to actually mother my children instead of shipping them off to daycare to chase another paycheck, the sex we have in order to get me pregnant is going to be awesome. Of course there will, in a way, be something more to it, because we'll be doing it knowing that we're finally starting a family in addition to our usual reasons for doing it. It's not like I'm not excited for that, or something.

That still doesn't mean that our sex has less meaning now, though. Just slightly different meaning.

 

[moonkitty]

I can't comment on anyone personally and don't wish to offend anyone's dignity since Jesus Christ died for each person

I do think that eroticism can mimic an authentic sexual life while the wood is green

but I think that only purity--the complete gift of self, including one's natural fertility--is truly nurturing and life-giving

please don't think I am in any way judging you. I wouldn't want you to know too much about my history, since I'm a great sinner

I am a married woman who has had two children with my husband. So I have had sex with him with and without contraception. I did not see any difference in our sex life when we were actively trying for pregnancy as now when we do not want any more children.

And honey, if your wood is green you may want to have a doctor look at that.

 

[Belk]

I didn't see that in the article.

there is quite a difference in divorce rates between people who contracept and people who practice NFP

see e.g. the scientific Lerner survey, which found less that a 1% divorce rate among NFP couples

so I think there is hard data to support the historic Trinitarian Church's teaching

OK. Present it please so we may examine it.

 

[patricius79]

Don't get me wrong, man... when my husband is making more money and I can afford to stay home to actually mother my children instead of shipping them off to daycare to chase another paycheck, the sex we have in order to get me pregnant is going to be awesome. Of course there will, in a way, be something more to it, because we'll be doing it knowing that we're finally starting a family in addition to our usual reasons for doing it. It's not like I'm not excited for that, or something.

That still doesn't mean that our sex has less meaning now, though. Just slightly different meaning.

I sympathize very much with your financial concerns,my sister, which can be a serious reason for avoiding pregnancy. and I'm delighted that you and your husband are close

 

[patricius79]

OK. Present it please so we may examine it.

we can all do our own prayerful research

one of the questions is: what is the divorce rate among Christians who contracept their sex or among Christians in general?

here is an article that might be helfful:

U.S. divorce rates: for various faith groups, age groups and geographical areas

and what is the divorce rate among Christians who use NFP to achieve and/or avoid pregnanacy?

 

[Ar Cosc]

we can all do our own prayerful research

one of the questions is: what is the divorce rate among Christians who contracept their sex or among Christians in general?

here is an article that might be helfful:

U.S. divorce rates: for various faith groups, age groups and geographical areas

and what is the divorce rate among Christians who use NFP to achieve and/or avoid pregnanacy?

If a couple use contraception, don't have kids, then divorce and go their separate ways, what harm is done? There are no kids to be dragged into things.

 

[patricius79]

If a couple use contraception, don't have kids, then divorce and go their separate ways, what harm is done? There are no kids to be dragged into things.

well since the historic Trinitarian Church--with the Reformers and Protestantism until recent decades--teaches that contraception is seriously immoral, I take it as a matter of faith that this is so.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

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You just keep repeating these statements, over and over and over, while ENTIRELY ignoring all requests to substantiate them as true.

IMO, if truth is entirely irrelevant to the discussion, as you SEEM to be consistently arguing, then it's just impossible to have a discussion about truth.




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[Gishin]

well since the historic Trinitarian Church--with the Reformers and Protestantism until recent decades--teaches that contraception is seriously immoral, I take it as a matter of faith that this is so.

Why is it so immoral?

 

[tulc]

well since the historic Trinitarian Church--with the Reformers and Protestantism until recent decades--teaches that contraception is seriously immoral, I take it as a matter of faith that this is so.

Proof? Links? Anything besides you just saying it over and over?
tulc(just wondering)

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

well since the historic Trinitarian Church--with the Reformers and Protestantism until recent decades--teaches that contraception is seriously immoral, I take it as a matter of faith that this is so.

So...basically, on this issue since you can't think for yourself you're just jumping on the bandwagon and hoping that other, greater people before you have sussed it out and hoping that it's not a horrific argument from tradition and authority.

 

[Ar Cosc]

well since the historic Trinitarian Church--with the Reformers and Protestantism until recent decades--teaches that contraception is seriously immoral, I take it as a matter of faith that this is so.

So in terms of real, tangible harm, not nebulous "it's immoral just because", that's a no?

 

[JadeTigress]

So in terms of real, tangible harm, not nebulous "it's immoral just because", that's a no?

It's harmful to his faith. That's good enough, right?

 

[purpledolphin8402]

There's an underlying issue when it comes to cheating. A person in a happy marriage isn't going to cheat on their spouse just because contraceptives are readily available. A person in an unhappy marriage who is looking for something more, is going to cheat regardless contraceptives are easy to come by or not. Furthermore, I also don't believe that infidelity is always sexual. Sometimes a spouse having an emotional relationship with someone can be just as dangerous (if not more so in some cases) to a marriage as a physical relationship.

 

[razeontherock]

So...basically, on this issue since you can't think for yourself you're just jumping on the bandwagon and hoping that other, greater people before you have sussed it out and hoping that it's not a horrific argument from tradition and authority.

Just for the record, I have to agree with an atheist on something ...

 

[patricius79]

Why is it so immoral?

I think that contraception is immoral because it involves not giving one's whole body to the other in the sexual act. so it is a kind of lie, similar in a way to fornication. the meaning of the sexual act is the full gift of one's body and fertility

 

[quatona]

I think that contraception is immoral because it involves not giving one's whole self to the other

That´s just a pile of loaded language. Makes me wonder where you think the self is located.