Is Contraception Destructive?

[mpok1519]

Well look at it this way... condoms, diaphragms, vasectomies are all ways that people control life. These methods of controception is putting people in control of when life begins and ends. Its people, objects, drugs controlling life. I believe only God should control life.

wait...what? I'm pretty sure people are in control of their lives.

you should hate the military by your logic; they send people to die all the time, often for trivial arbitrary reasons like geopolitical intrigue and resource exploitation. And it should be God doing that! not people!

Why thankyou!

And next you'll be thanking me when they revoke you and every woman's right to vote.

 

[mpok1519]

Well, its not a defeat really, its just a choice. In this world, we have control of lots of stuff, we have lots of choices. And God is looking to see if you make the right or wrong choice.

Now you're flip flopping; first you say God controls everything. Now you say we control everything....

Inconsistency in logic is irrational.

 

[patricius79]

You expect married couples to remain abstinent because they feel they cannot yet grow their family any larger? How is that any different than contraception, come to think of it? You're married, you're supposed to be having sex, but you choose to do something (ridiculously drastic) to avoid getting pregnant because you feel you're not ready. It's the exact same thing as using a condom or getting on the pill. You're taking control, not leaving it up to God.

I quite agree that periodic abstinence can be abused

I don't think it is intrinsically wrong like contracepted sex

 

[lisah]

both the Catholic Church and Protestantism historically have strongly condemned contraception.

were they right?

can contraception be linked to adultery, divorce, and other societal ills?

First - Did not having contraception prevent "adultery, divorce, and other societal ills?"

 

[lisah]

Everything that´s constructive in one respect is necessarily destructive in another.

I would love it if you would expand upon this thought.

 

[patricius79]

First - Did not having contraception prevent "adultery, divorce, and other societal ills?"

no.

but it sounds like there was a serious increase in these with the increased use of contraceptives

that of course doesn't prove causation. but I think it reflects the reality that contraception is wrong

 

[lisah]

no.

but it sounds like there was a serious increase in these with the increased use of contraceptives

that of course doesn't prove causation. but I think it reflects the reality that contraception is wrong

Are you certain that there was a serious increase due to improved methods of contraception?

Could it not be that acts of adultery, divorce, and societal ills stopped being swept under the carpet (or hidden)?

I don't see the connection to contraception.

 

[Gishin]

There's very few positions as blatantly irrational as being against contraception.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

no.

but it sounds like there was a serious increase in these with the increased use of contraceptives

that of course doesn't prove causation. but I think it reflects the reality that contraception is wrong

If there is no causal relationship, then it doesn't reflect that all. Even if there was a causal relationship, that still wouldn't prove that contraception is intrinsically wrong - one could, after all, point out that the ends justify the means.

So, what is it about contraception that's inherently wrong? Is it the ability to severely retard the transmission of disease?

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

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Quote just 5 Protestant denominations that "once" were officially condemning of contraceptive sex.

Otherwise, the entire premise of this thread is WRONG.





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[patricius79]

If there is no causal relationship, then it doesn't reflect that all.

I don't agree because although drug addiction doesn't cause divorce it certainly tends to contribute to it

 

[Gishin]

I don't agree because although drug addiction doesn't cause divorce it certainly tends to contribute to it

Show how contraception leads to divorce.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I don't agree because although drug addiction doesn't cause divorce it certainly tends to contribute to it

Then there is a causal relationship between drug use and divorce. Regardless, the onus is still on you to show how contraception leads to divorce.

 

[Chajara]

I quite agree that periodic abstinence can be abused

I don't think it is intrinsically wrong like contracepted sex

I didn't really say abstinence can be abused, so you can't really agree with that. I said abstinence from sex and using contraception are the same thing with the same goal: Taking control away from God and choosing not to get pregnant. I don't see a single difference. So why is one worse than the other? No one has ever been able to explain this to me.

 

[patricius79]

Show how contraception leads to divorce.

here is an article that gives three seemingly plausible and common-sensical reasons

A Protestant analyzes contraception, part II


another reason is that contraception takes the life out of one's sex life

 

[Gishin]

Like I'm going to pay attention to an anti-choice terrorist apologist when it comes to birth control.

With Roeder trial, abortion dodges another bullet

Nevermind, there was nothing of substance in the article to refute. It was just "God hates it, don't do it!" while also taking a jab at women who think their lot in life is more than just being a baby machine.

It's weird... it's almost like we've done this before...

 

[Chajara]

here is an article that gives three seemingly plausible and common-sensical reasons

A Protestant analyzes contraception, part II


another reason is that contraception takes the life out of one's sex life

Haaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha if you had any idea what my sex life is like using condoms your head would explode. Let's just say it's plenty lively.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

contraception takes the life out of one's sex life

and contraceptive abstinence doesn't?





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[CaliforniaJosiah]

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Show how contraception leads to divorce.

AND that it is "destructive" (and of what?)

AND that all Protestant denominations before 1931 were opposed to contraceptive sex (such as NFP)





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[patricius79]

Originally Posted by Gishin

Nevermind, there was nothing of substance in the article to refute. It was just "God hates it, don't do it!" while also taking a jab at women who think their lot in life is more than just being a baby machine.
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I didn't see that in the article.

there is quite a difference in divorce rates between people who contracept and people who practice NFP

see e.g. the scientific Lerner survey, which found less that a 1% divorce rate among NFP couples

so I think there is hard data to support the historic Trinitarian Church's teaching