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Is Christianity basically fear based? I don't get it.

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One person has written what's wrong with it being fear based, and another has said it's not
It's not that clear cut.
Fearing God is definitely about respect.
But to clarify for you a point based on my experience... I've always believed in God, but took his loving corrections lightly all my life, until there was anger. (And let me tell you, you don't want to know what HIS anger is like. "Afraid" doesn't even describe it.)
But - as time goes on, the more I get to know of him, the more I know he truly is a loving heavenly Father, but he has rules we must adhere to, which is fair enough - he is the creator of everything after all.

As for some people not responding to love, some issues can't be resolved over coffee and cake for half an hour.
I completely agree. But that's where Jesus comes in. God hears it, and can heal it all.
 
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It is much less fear based today than it was a few generations ago. Back then it was reportedly very common for pastors to preach about hellfire and damnation.
But this seems to be part of the basic message of Christianity from the beginning. Even Jesus still believed and warned people sternly about Hell and being damned.
 
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But this seems to be part of the basic message of Christianity from the beginning. Even Jesus still believed and warned people sternly about Hell and being damned.
I do not deny your statement. I am just saying that for decades now there has been a big decrease in the preaching about the dangers of going to Hell. This may not be true among all Christian bodies, but it is certainly true about many of them.
 
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I do not deny your statement. I am just saying that for decades now there has been a big decrease in the preaching about the dangers of going to Hell. This may not be true among all Christian bodies, but it is certainly true about many of them.
Preachers go with the times. Eventually they have to drop doctrine that becomes mundane having been overused. As people fall away from congregations it is obvious hellfire no longer holds sway over their minds to keep them compliant and supportive. Today the go to is the environment, as shown by a collection of world religious authourities just recently who have rewritten the ten commandments (while at Sinai) to address the environment, not the will of God.
 
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Jesus came to save mankind because of God's great love. The problem is that a lot of people do not respond to love. They prefer to live lives that are hostile to God and His ways. This leads to a conflict. God is not to be messed with. There are always consequences. Mankind has laws that have consequences if broken. Man has such laws because he knows that lawlessness is a blight. Why should man expect God to be any different?

The Bible says that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. We surely should respect someone who has the power to send us to hell. However, the Bible also says that perfect love casts out fear. The person who knows Jesus and knows that God loves him has nothing to fear. I was saved because I feared God's judgement. That was a bit over 50 years ago. I now serve God because I know His great love for me and because I know that His will for me is the very best that I could have.
Well, Heaven is different than this life where humans currently live. It is odd how there are still "rules" or laws in Heaven, if God wanted to he could say man is no longer bound to any higher law in Heaven, yet it just looks like God wants to be the only powerful and important one.

God didn't need anything to happen or to be created, yet here we are.
 
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if God wanted to he could say man is no longer bound to any higher law in Heaven, yet it just looks like God wants to be the only powerful and important one.
Considering what a disaster we are to each other with our focus on self interest, there would hardly be a need for than type in heaven. Would you invite a thief and troublemaker into your home even for a night?
 
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Thank you to those who responded to my posts and encouraged.

I've just been thinking about what's been said. When I first made a commitment to Jesus, I did feel a tremendous peace. However, I had begun going to a church where I really struggled. Some things didn't make sense and I also had just had a breakdown, or rather, a number of breakdowns.

It was a long time ago now, but it just didn't seem to be the best place for me to be, but to be honest I felt cross about my experiences there. Finally I left and went to another church, against the advice of a group leader who believed it was a good church and had at one time wanted to disciple me. But basically I left, and then some time later quite a few people left there (not because I had left though!!!).

From the second church, I ended up going to a tiny congregation because I didn't feel I was really fitting in there. Then, I left there due to travelling time and subsequently attended three more churches.

All the while this happened I would have health problems, mainly mental health.

Finally, after a time of really trying to be faithful in prayer, etc, I looked at my relationships and realised that I was struggling emotionally and didn't feel I belonged either at church or with some friends I'd made. We usually met over coffee, and because I was unable to maintain work I was alone a lot of the time.

Please reserve judgement over the cause of my mental health struggles.

Eventually, i felt i couldn't call myself a Christian anymore. I realised I'd been hypocritical, and also it felt too difficult to continue to express my distress to those I thought weren't friends, because they evidently seemed to be becoming worn out. When I compared my friendship with them, to their other friendships, it seemed to me that they favoured their other friends.

Also, what really hurt was that there had been a number of events that some had been invited to, that I might have liked to have been asked to, but wasn't.

This all was incredibly painful.

Anyway, here I am. I won't share some info, but I am estranged now from my relatives, but I think that for the moment that is best. There is more but I need to think it through.

Right now, I really want to make sense of God and the Bible.

I think that after I had that wonderful experience of peace, I lost a lot of it. If I'm honest, I think I put it down to insufficient teaching, unhealthy teaching and an unhealthy environment.

Also, now, currently, I can't sense God's Spirit in me.

I haven't mentioned some other things which I felt upset about.

But I admit I turned to many secular sites in pursuit of a way forward, especially those rejecting Christianity.

I would like to ask, can the Spirit of God return if he has left?
 
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Considering what a disaster we are to each other with our focus on self interest, there would hardly be a need for than type in heaven. Would you invite a thief and troublemaker into your home even for a night?
No, but I would tell him that he can act like a thief in his own house and fulfill his fantasy there instead of directly affecting me by it.
 
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No, but I would tell him that he can act like a thief in his own house and fulfill his fantasy there instead of directly affecting me by it.
Like they would care.. as you wake up to the tools missing and your wife with a smile on her face
 
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Well, Heaven is different than this life where humans currently live. It is odd how there are still "rules" or laws in Heaven, if God wanted to he could say man is no longer bound to any higher law in Heaven, yet it just looks like God wants to be the only powerful and important one.

God didn't need anything to happen or to be created, yet here we are.
God's laws apply to earth, not heaven. There is no sin in heaven so therefore no law is required. There was no law in Eden either. God simply told Adam to leave the tree of knowledge of good and evil alone, with a warning. There was no law until Moses.

The only reason for law is to modify behaviour. If there were no speed limits, I would drive as fast as I could safely, which is much faster than the limit in my state. I don't speed because I don't want to lose my licence.
 
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I thought Christianity was supposed to be about love, but after reading some of the Bible and going to church, it seems to be largely fear based.
Good question. I think it gives us a choice: fullness of life with love or death and isolation.

No need for fear but we need to be aware of the consequences of our choices.
 
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I would like to ask, can the Spirit of God return if he has left?
God is always there, we are the ones that leave him.

I have my own mental health struggles, so I empathize with what you've gone through. I've also been to some churches where it was a rather painful experience. The one I go to now is wonderful though.

Regarding fear, I believe that the "fear of the LORD" the Bible speaks about for believers is qualitatively different from fear of punishment, more like awe. It gives us peace rather than disturbance.
 
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Regarding fear, I believe that the "fear of the LORD" the Bible speaks about for believers is qualitatively different from fear of punishment, more like awe. It gives us peace rather than disturbance.
Respect, thus producing security
 
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I asked God if I could come back to Him. I'm not sure what's next, but please can a moderator change my details to believer, non denominational at the moment?

I need to put some things right, but not sure I can remember everything!

Thanks to those that prayed and/or encouraged or advised me.
 
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Thank you to those who responded to my posts and encouraged.

I've just been thinking about what's been said. When I first made a commitment to Jesus, I did feel a tremendous peace. However, I had begun going to a church where I really struggled. Some things didn't make sense and I also had just had a breakdown, or rather, a number of breakdowns.

It was a long time ago now, but it just didn't seem to be the best place for me to be, but to be honest I felt cross about my experiences there. Finally I left and went to another church, against the advice of a group leader who believed it was a good church and had at one time wanted to disciple me. But basically I left, and then some time later quite a few people left there (not because I had left though!!!).

From the second church, I ended up going to a tiny congregation because I didn't feel I was really fitting in there. Then, I left there due to travelling time and subsequently attended three more churches.

All the while this happened I would have health problems, mainly mental health.

Finally, after a time of really trying to be faithful in prayer, etc, I looked at my relationships and realised that I was struggling emotionally and didn't feel I belonged either at church or with some friends I'd made. We usually met over coffee, and because I was unable to maintain work I was alone a lot of the time.

Please reserve judgement over the cause of my mental health struggles.

Eventually, i felt i couldn't call myself a Christian anymore. I realised I'd been hypocritical, and also it felt too difficult to continue to express my distress to those I thought weren't friends, because they evidently seemed to be becoming worn out. When I compared my friendship with them, to their other friendships, it seemed to me that they favoured their other friends.

Also, what really hurt was that there had been a number of events that some had been invited to, that I might have liked to have been asked to, but wasn't.

This all was incredibly painful.

Anyway, here I am. I won't share some info, but I am estranged now from my relatives, but I think that for the moment that is best. There is more but I need to think it through.

Right now, I really want to make sense of God and the Bible.

I think that after I had that wonderful experience of peace, I lost a lot of it. If I'm honest, I think I put it down to insufficient teaching, unhealthy teaching and an unhealthy environment.

Also, now, currently, I can't sense God's Spirit in me.

I haven't mentioned some other things which I felt upset about.

But I admit I turned to many secular sites in pursuit of a way forward, especially those rejecting Christianity.

I would like to ask, can the Spirit of God return if he has left?

First of all, the Holy Spirit hasn't left you, that's not what He does.

But even if you were to leave, God is like the father of the prodigal son and runs out to meet all who come back, and Jesus Himself is the Good Shepherd who travels high and low to find the one lost little lamb who is estranged from the sheepfold. God has a reckless love for us.

In my own life I experienced a lot of spiritual lows. I've spoken about it many times here on Christian Forums. I spent a big part of my youth worried that God would abandon me, that God couldn't completely love me, that maybe I was even beyond hope and redemption.

The very short version of my story is that I wasn't hearing what God was saying. I wasn't hearing it because it wasn't what was being preached in the churches I was part of. Because that's how God talks to us, through His word, and the Scriptures are not being properly taught, if the theology we are being trained in isn't good theology, then we are hearing a lot of things, but God's voice is being crowded out by a lot of noise.

And given your lack of good church experiences my advice to you may not sound pleasant. But the only antidote here is church, a church which honestly and faithfully preaches the Gospel. Because there are a lot of churches that preach a lot of things, very often a lot of moral preaching, a lot of preaching about doing X, Y, or Z in order to grow closer with God; but frequently that's just a lot of noise that's drowning out God's voice. Because what God wants to say to you, to me, and to every other sinner in this world is that He is the God who loves us so much that He gave His only-begotten Son, and that it's not about us trying to find Him. He comes down here to find us. Because if it were up to us to find God, we wouldn't know our own bottom end from our top end. But God comes down, God meets us right here, He meets us right here in Jesus, Jesus who suffered, Jesus who died, Jesus who rose again. This Jesus that says, "Come to Me all you who are burdened and weary, and I will give you rest. This Jesus who gives Himself freely.

There's a lot of preaching out there that is saying what you need to do to find God, to grow closer with God, to climb up this ladder, or this other ladder (there certainly seem to be a lot of ladders). But there is no ladder to climb. God is right here. When you read or hear the Scriptures, God is speaking. When you are being told that your sins are forgiven on Christ's account, that's God speaking. When Jesus gives Himself to you in the bread and wine of His Supper, that's God speaking. When you were baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, that was God who spoke, God who worked, God who did these things.

It's not about you trying to reach out to God. God is already here, and He is giving Himself freely. God is shouting His love to us from all sides, but we need the ears to hear that only He can give us, and that is by hearing the word.

At the risk of sounding like I'm just advocating my own brand of Christianity, have you tried a Lutheran church?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I thought Christianity was supposed to be about love, but after reading some of the Bible and going to church, it seems to be largely fear based.
And yet "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not reached perfection in love. " (1 John 4:18)
 
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First of all, the Holy Spirit hasn't left you, that's not what He does.

But even if you were to leave, God is like the father of the prodigal son and runs out to meet all who come back, and Jesus Himself is the Good Shepherd who travels high and low to find the one lost little lamb who is estranged from the sheepfold. God has a reckless love for us.

In my own life I experienced a lot of spiritual lows. I've spoken about it many times here on Christian Forums. I spent a big part of my youth worried that God would abandon me, that God couldn't completely love me, that maybe I was even beyond hope and redemption.

The very short version of my story is that I wasn't hearing what God was saying. I wasn't hearing it because it wasn't what was being preached in the churches I was part of. Because that's how God talks to us, through His word, and the Scriptures are not being properly taught, if the theology we are being trained in isn't good theology, then we are hearing a lot of things, but God's voice is being crowded out by a lot of noise.

And given your lack of good church experiences my advice to you may not sound pleasant. But the only antidote here is church, a church which honestly and faithfully preaches the Gospel. Because there are a lot of churches that preach a lot of things, very often a lot of moral preaching, a lot of preaching about doing X, Y, or Z in order to grow closer with God; but frequently that's just a lot of noise that's drowning out God's voice. Because what God wants to say to you, to me, and to every other sinner in this world is that He is the God who loves us so much that He gave His only-begotten Son, and that it's not about us trying to find Him. He comes down here to find us. Because if it were up to us to find God, we wouldn't know our own bottom end from our top end. But God comes down, God meets us right here, He meets us right here in Jesus, Jesus who suffered, Jesus who died, Jesus who rose again. This Jesus that says, "Come to Me all you who are burdened and weary, and I will give you rest. This Jesus who gives Himself freely.

There's a lot of preaching out there that is saying what you need to do to find God, to grow closer with God, to climb up this ladder, or this other ladder (there certainly seem to be a lot of ladders). But there is no ladder to climb. God is right here. When you read or hear the Scriptures, God is speaking. When you are being told that your sins are forgiven on Christ's account, that's God speaking. When Jesus gives Himself to you in the bread and wine of His Supper, that's God speaking. When you were baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, that was God who spoke, God who worked, God who did these things.

It's not about you trying to reach out to God. God is already here, and He is giving Himself freely. God is shouting His love to us from all sides, but we need the ears to hear that only He can give us, and that is by hearing the word.

At the risk of sounding like I'm just advocating my own brand of Christianity, have you tried a Lutheran church?

-CryptoLutheran
Thank you for writing. I don't see why going to church is the answer, not at the moment. I think I need to see if I really am accepted by G-d first, and understand what it means.

I've never been to a Lutheran church - I haven't heard of one anywhere near me.
 
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