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It should be noted that even Jesus was crucified by a theocracy...!
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It should be noted that even Jesus was crucified by a theocracy...!Did you know that many Protestant sects (including the Lutherans & the Puritans) persecuted the Baptists because of their preaching of a Believer's baptism (which most evangelicals embrace today).* If any of those sects would have been allowed to maintain their own "theocracies," that teaching would have been crushed.
*...instead of infant baptism.
Some rules like murder, stealing & perjury are no-brainers, though...Many Christians do want the government to rule based on Christian principles.
The Roman Empire was a theocracy?It should be noted that even Jesus was crucified by a theocracy...!
If Christian principles are not fit for governance, what principles are fit for governance?Many Christians do want the government to rule based on Christian principles. That's why I'm glad we have a secular government.
Christian principles should always inform the way one votes. Where we run into problems in when the Christian minority wants to control the majority.If Christian principles are not fit for governance, what principles are fit for governance?
No, but the Sanhedrin was.The Roman Empire was a theocracy?
Why is this a problem? A minority in control of the levers of power is how politics has always operated and to this day it's how it still operates it. Democracy is just good at creating the illusion that voting matters when in reality it has little effect on who actually moves things. A minority of elites will always be in control of the majority.Christian principles should always inform the way one votes. Where we run into problems in when the Christian minority wants to control the majority.
What about Rome though? It had the ultimate say and it executed Christ in the end (for ultimately different reasons). It's an odd thing to bring up in the context of a discussion about theocracy. As if theocracy is particularly bad at killing the innocent, when throughout history that just doesn't seem true when put up against other regimes.No, but the Sanhedrin was.
Compared to monarchies & dictatorships, maybe, but I think that secular, constitutional law has a better track record.As if theocracy is particularly bad at killing the innocent, when throughout history that just doesn't seem true when put up against other regimes.
You mean like the first French Republic?Compared to monarchies & dictatorships, maybe, but I think that secular, constitutional law has a better track record.
"Let's face it. You can't Torqemada anything...!" --History of the World, Part 1 (1981)
Learning curve. (Did they even have a constitutional government?)You mean like the first French Republic?
Learning curve? Why can't we judge liberal government by the standards of the first French Republic? Power is power and the French Republic is a good example of liberal secularism in action and how it made the 20th century a much bloodier place and expanded state power more totally than any monarchy before it.Learning curve. (Did they even have a constitutional government?)
The European and North American Laws and Constitutions were formed using the Bible as a foundation. This made them very prosperous, because any society where there is no justice and the rule of law is doomed to fail. This is why everybody flocked to Europe and America.My question is about Christian theocracy and if we as Christians should try to force the secular world to submit to Christ by enforcing sin as crime. For example, let’s assume a same sex couple, a divorced couple and a unequally yoked couple all want to get married. Should we criminalize it to prevent it from happening or is that going beyond out duty as Christians?
Learning curve? Why can't we judge liberal government by the standards of the first French Republic? Power is power and the French Republic is a good example of liberal secularism in action and how it made the 20th century a much bloodier place and expanded state power more totally than any monarchy before it.
The European and North American Laws and Constitutions were formed using the Bible as a foundation. This made them very prosperous, because any society where there is no justice and the rule of law is doomed to fail. This is why everybody flocked to Europe and America.
The African, Asian, South American and Pacific nations were all pagan, so corruption was rife in those places making it impossible to thrive.
Force no. As Christians we should want God's ways to be law to help ensure that His Spirit rules. But the governments and the society we live in are not ruled by His Spirit.My question is about Christian theocracy and if we as Christians should try to force the secular world to submit to Christ by enforcing sin as crime.
The context of this discussion was whether or not Theocracies are particularly bad at killing people. I brought up the example of the first French Republic as an example of how Liberal governments can be particularly good at killing people. More so than some of the historical theocracies. It's hardly a strawman.The French Republic was not a good example of a liberal state. It's best not to draw up strawmen.
The context of this discussion was whether or not Theocracies are particularly bad at killing people. I brought up the example of the first French Republic as an example of how Liberal governments can be particularly good at killing people. More so than some of the historical theocracies. It's hardly a strawman.
Brutal by what standards? Was it theocracies or secular states that helmed the two most deadliest wars? Was it a theocracy that instituted the levee on mass? Or the secular French Republic?Historically, theocracies have generally all been brutal and not particularly good at human development.
Brutal by what standards? Was it theocracies or secular states that helmed the two most deadliest wars? Was it a theocracy that instituted the levee on mass? Or the secular French Republic?
Not going to deny that theocracies have blood on their hands (as all governments and states do), but in comparison to purely secular regimes since the enlightenment they have far less blood on their hands. If we're talking about the Christian theocracies specifically.
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