Is celebrating xmas a sin??

[dfw69]

The only thing changed is what Yhwh said changed: the High Priest now is Yeshua HaMashiach INSTEAD of previous temporary high priests who had to perform their duties annually and could not atone permanently for men's sins;
and His Sacrifice of Himself(Yeshua HaMashiach) Once for All eliminated the future annual sacrifices for sin.

I agree he is the high priest and no sacrifice needed

I also agree the law is still in effect for many still hold to it ..

But I believe one day no one will wish to be under its authority anymore for all will see that there is no need of it anymore...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But I believe one day no one will wish to be under its authority anymore for all will see that there is no need of it anymore...

TODAY, multitudes are lawless and are every day committing adultery, murder, idolatry, and so on.
WHEN will that stop ?

 

[dfw69]

TODAY, multitudes are lawless and are every day committing adultery, murder, idolatry, and so on.
WHEN will that stop ?

When Israel recieves her messiah and king and high priest... when the millennium comes and the governments of this world are put down and Satan is bound and all men will have all things freely given . When the kingdom of heaven comes to earth to bless the world ..Israel will be a blessing to all the nations one day and there will be peace no wars no famine plagues shortages ... And the new covenant realized for all men ...

Paul said when Israel recieves her king there will be ressurection from the dead


The world needs Israel to come to a place of repentance and when it happens peace and blessings for all for the messiah will lead us all to living waters

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

all men will have all things freely given

this might be a tangent, but popped up so: do you believe men won't have to work / farm/ grow food ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Israel will be a blessing to all the nations one day

Yhwh ALREADY blessed everyone who blesses Israel. He has for a very long time, humanly speaking.
And all the nations have already been blessed through Israel, as Yhwh entrusted them with Torah(Scripture) AND brought Salvation to the world through Israel.

Only those who worship demons ; those who reject Yahshua Messiah, and those who try to hurt Israel or hurt Yhwh's children (set apart ones, ekklesia)
are cursed.(i.e. those not yet saved/ not yet redeemed/ those not yet purchased by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB)

True, we(ekklesia) must necessarily endure suffering and persecution by those who are cursed..... but we can bless them and ask for Yhwh to forgive those who put us to death even.

 

[dfw69]

this might be a tangent, but popped up so: do you believe men won't have to work / farm/ grow food ?

When Jesus was on the earth he fed them and perform miracles there was plenty so that his followers needed nothing and were able to concentrate more on gathering souls of men ...
He healed all manner of sickness and decease and healed the lame and mame


But most likely the land will be divided and we will plant vineyards and fig trees for our own as the scriptures say

work on the jubilee of jubilees? Which is the millennium.. I don't think so

 

[dfw69]

Yhwh ALREADY blessed everyone who blesses Israel. He has for a very long time, humanly speaking.
And all the nations have already been blessed through Israel, as Yhwh entrusted them with Torah(Scripture) AND brought Salvation to the world through Israel.

Only those who worship demons ; those who reject Yahshua Messiah, and those who try to hurt Israel or hurt Yhwh's children (set apart ones, ekklesia)
are cursed.(i.e. those not yet saved/ not yet redeemed/ those not yet purchased by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB)

True, we(ekklesia) must necessarily endure suffering and persecution by those who are cursed..... but we can bless them and ask for Yhwh to forgive those who put us to death even.

I think we can both agree there comes a better time for human history

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I think we can both agree there comes a better time for human history

Yes (though I think you mean a better time in the future ) (I can almost guarantee we won't be thinking about the past or history at that time, but living each day in the moment in the presence of Yhwh) (as a few do today already here on earth)....

Even Yahshua ENDURED all the atrocities
for the JOY SET BEFORE HIM (the FUTURE HE KNEW YHWH PLANNED and PROVIDED).....

 

[pat34lee]

Yes I do understand ...you are an Israelite by faith ... From my standpoint you still fail to see what Christ is for you ... Christ will correct his followers and his followers will obey when the time comes ... If they don't they were never his to begin with

Exactly, and he is the living Torah. His laws are everything from Genesis to Revelation.

Yes me too I see it that way too only my covenant is new not the old renewed so we are still different I need not be circumcised Christ is my circumsion ....I am hid in Christ ... He lived his life for me ... It was as if I never existed that my life is insignificant ... I am one with him...his life is my life ... His righteousness mine.. I fulfilled the law through him.. Do you understand my point of view?

I grew up Southern Baptist. I was raised on that view until I left the church at about 20.
I also attended several 'spirit filled' and Pentecostal churches. Same difference for the
most part. One thing always comes back. We sin, therefore the laws are not written on
our hearts, so the New Covenant is not here yet.

You don't have to fulfill the law to recieve his blessings he did it for you ... It's a gift of love and mercy ...but take heed to not sin because we all will reap what we sowed

True, and sin is transgression of the law. Torah. 1 John 3:4

Not true you still think the father wants you to be pure .. That's good don't get me wrong .. But in reality he wants us to recognize we are all sinners all as one alike in his eyes ... And because so the law condemns all ... So in order to save us from the law we must be free from its bondage ... So Christ was sent to complete that task ... It was done ...many men have yet to realize that truth and one day it will be done...

This is the ultimate deception. The law is not bondage, but freedom.

Psalm 119:44-45
44 So I will keep Your law continually, Forever and ever.
45 And I will walk at liberty, For I seek Your precepts.

James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Last thing, most people talk about him fulfilling the law, but he said something else.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:

That means all of scripture. And what has yet to be fulfilled? The King Messiah prophecies.
They must be done before the New Covenant can take effect.

https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/is-gods-law-bondage

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

We sin, therefore the laws are not written on
our hearts, so the New Covenant is not here yet.

Sorry I'm way too tired to go through all this..... (yet I'm likely to still if Yhwh desires ) ....
but we ekklesia around the world, called by Yhwh, chosen by Yhwh, set apart by Yhwh,
immersed in Yahshua, born again by Yhwh's Will, sitting WITH CHRIST in the heavenlies already, and already crucified with Christ .....
have the living TORAH, or rather perhaps as it is written also we have THE MIND OF CHRIST, and we are living in union with CHRIST NOW, TODAY,
the same
as the apostles and disciples throughout the NT.

as Yahshua prayed in JOHN 17.

 

[gadar perets]

You don't have to fulfill the law to recieve his blessings ...he did it for you ... It's a gift of love and mercy ...but take heed to not sin because we all will reap what we sowed

If you understand that sin "is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4), then what you just said is, "but take heed to not break the law because we all will reap what we sowed". That is what us law keepers do. We take heed to not break the law. Why? So that we will be made righteous by our law keeping? No. So that we will be saved by our law keeping? No. We obey because we love our Father and do what He says.

... And because we are all sinners the law condemns us all ... So in order to save us from the law we must be free from its bondage ... So Christ was sent to complete that task to free us ... It was done and accomplished by him so that we may serve him by faith ...many men have yet to realize that truth and one day all will see the truth

Yes, we were freed from the condemnation of the law. How? By making void the law through faith? God forbid (Romans 3:31). Faith establishes the law. Yeshua freed us by taking our death penalty (the condemnation of the law) upon himself. The law stills remains, still stands, but for the believer, it is powerless to condemn us to death if we remain in Messiah Yeshua. It is NOT powerless to provide us with the knowledge of sin. It is because the law still exists that we can know when we sin and by that blessed knowledge that comes through the law we can confess our sin and receive forgiveness through Yeshua.

 

[dfw69]

Yes (though I think you mean a better time in the future ) (I can almost guarantee we won't be thinking about the past or history at that time, but living each day in the moment in the presence of Yhwh) (as a few do today already here on earth)....

Even Yahshua ENDURED all the atrocities
for the JOY SET BEFORE HIM (the FUTURE HE KNEW YHWH PLANNED and PROVIDED).....

Yes a better future for all humanity

 

[dfw69]

Exactly, and he is the living Torah. His laws are everything from Genesis to Revelation.



I grew up Southern Baptist. I was raised on that view until I left the church at about 20.
I also attended several 'spirit filled' and Pentecostal churches. Same difference for the
most part. One thing always comes back. We sin, therefore the laws are not written on
our hearts, so the New Covenant is not here yet.

We are betrothed into the new covenant by faith but we have not recieved the benefits of the new covenant yet ... For one day God will transform us to the image of his son to be as he is and we will observe all that the lord commands perfectly when corruption puts on incoruption... Now we are governed by the new laws to love and forgive and have mercy to judge not and condemn not ... In doing so it's as if we oberve the entire law we are counted as righteousness for our love for one another and our faith in his works for us

True, and sin is transgression of the law. Torah. 1 John 3:4

True but for us who are free from the law sin is transgression against the new laws of Christ ... To Hate is sin for example in the new covenant

This is the ultimate deception. The law is not bondage, but freedom.

Psalm 119:44-45
44 So I will keep Your law continually, Forever and ever.
45 And I will walk at liberty, For I seek Your precepts.

James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

I can see how you would come to that conclusion based on these two scriptures... But the law of lyberty could in fact be referring to the new laws we must be doers of

If it is a deception that the law is bondage then why did Paul say in Galatians 5:1-3 that we should not be circumcised nor be entangled in what he called the yoke of bondage?

He also spoke of the law as being as Hagar in Galatians 4 the bondwoman and Israel was in bondage ?

Last thing, most people talk about him fulfilling the law, but he said something else.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:

And he did fulfilled them for us so we can be free from bondages of the law and sin and death

That means all of scripture. And what has yet to be fulfilled? The King Messiah prophecies.
They must be done before the New Covenant can take effect.

https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/is-gods-law-bondage

Not sure what you mean here bro

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

we have not recieved the benefits of the new covenant yet

I and millions of other ekklesia who are born again by the Father's Will from heaven have received MANY BENEFITS ALREADY -
INCLUDING and NOT LIMITED TO - RIGHTEOUSNESS, PEACE and JOY along with ETERNAL LIFE !

 

[dfw69]

If you understand that sin "is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4), then what you just said is, "but take heed to not break the law because we all will reap what we sowed". That is what us law keepers do. We take heed to not break the law. Why? So that we will be made righteous by our law keeping? No. So that we will be saved by our law keeping? No. We obey because we love our Father and do what He says.


Yes, we were freed from the condemnation of the law. How? By making void the law through faith? God forbid (Romans 3:31). Faith establishes the law. Yeshua freed us by taking our death penalty (the condemnation of the law) upon himself. The law stills remains, still stands, but for the believer, it is powerless to condemn us to death if we remain in Messiah Yeshua. It is NOT powerless to provide us with the knowledge of sin. It is because the law still exists that we can know when we sin and by that blessed knowledge that comes through the law we can confess our sin and receive forgiveness through Yeshua.

I see what you are saying but why did Paul teach the law was bondage that the covenant on my Sinai was as Hagar ?

And why did he command not to be entangled again with the yoke of bondage nor be circumcised.. That to do so he was a debtor to the entire law and Christ will not be of no value to us if we do circumcised ourselves saying we will have fallen from grace in doing so?

 

[gadar perets]

Now we are governed by the new laws to love and forgive and have mercy to judge not and condemn not ...

Love, forgiveness, and mercy are not new laws. They are all weightier matters of the law. Yeshua mentioned mercy as such in Matthew 23:23. It is obvious that love is a weightier matter since the two greatest commandments of the law concern love. Forgiveness is spoken of throughout Torah.

 

[dfw69]

I and millions of other ekklesia who are born again by the Father's Will from heaven have received MANY BENEFITS ALREADY -
INCLUDING and NOT LIMITED TO - RIGHTEOUSNESS, PEACE and JOY along with ETERNAL LIFE !

Let me rephrase ... We have not yet recieve the (full) benefits of the new covenant yet ... You agree that is a future time right?

 

[dfw69]

Love, forgiveness, and mercy are not new laws. They are all weightier matters of the law. Yeshua mentioned mercy as such in Matthew 23:23. It is obvious that love is a weightier matter since the two greatest commandments of the law concern love. Forgiveness is spoken of throughout Torah.

That is why I believe those who bound themselves to Torah yet practice such things will be found worthy if they continue by faith and walk in love for all mankind to the end of thier lives

I consider my law keeping members as brothers and sisters if they love mankind as if they were hashem in the flesh

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Let me rephrase ... We have not yet recieve the (full) benefits of the new covenant yet ... You agree that is a future time right?

How could I stop the future !?

Most people never see the results of living right, doing what God says,
holy living,
following Jesus Himself,
for a lot of reasons;

but foremost is one reason - they don't seek the Father's Kingdom.
(not only not first, but not at all)

 

[dfw69]

How could I stop the future !?

I'm saying the full benefits for our faith in the new covenant is yet to come ...to be like yeshua in glory to behold the father to live with him in new Jerusalem to be resurrected from the dead to live in peace and free from deceptions and free from Satan all to be fulfilled in the future ... To be clothed in his righteousness.... We obtained by faith but it's still a hope ... It is no longer a hope when we recieve it because it is accomplished and obtained

Most people never see the results of living right, doing what God says,
holy living,
following Jesus Himself,
for a lot of reasons;

but foremost is one reason - they don't seek the Father's Kingdom.
(not only not first, but not at all)

Many sinners are seeking the fathers kingdom ... I disagree with your assessments ... I am a seeker .. And many others seek the fathers kingdom searching the scriptures and praying some fast others seek to do good works giving to the poor witnessing to those who do not know the love of God