Is celebrating xmas a sin??

[pat34lee]

Where does it say they called the golden calf Yahweh?.... From my understanding they began to worship another God

In any case if one is under the law then yes I can see the law judging and condemning Christmas practices because one should only honor the feast of the lord being under the law

Exodus 32 verses 4 and 8 say
"These be thy gods {your elohim}, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt."

Note: One calf, but referred to as multiple, just as Yahweh is.

There is under the law, under the penalty of the law, and being lawless.
Which are you? What does being free of something good mean to you?

Psalm 119:17-19
17 Deal bountifully with Your servant, That I may live and keep Your word.
18 Open my eyes, that I may behold Wonderful things from Your law.
19 I am a stranger in the earth; Do not hide Your commandments from me

Romans 2:13
For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.

 

[dfw69]

Exodus 32 verses 4 and 8 say
"These be thy gods {your elohim}, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt."

Note: One calf, but referred to as multiple, just as Yahweh is.

So they thought the calf was good ...to honor thier God Yahweh ... Ok

There is under the law, under the penalty of the law, and being lawless.
Which are you? What does being free of something good mean to you?

The law is good but for me yahshua fulfill the law for me ... No need for me to be under it anymore ... The blessings of all the promises will come through his righteousness not my own ...

Am I lawless ?in your eyes it would seem so ... Because I do not follow the law which you hold to be followed ... But I follow another law ..new laws like the law of sowing and reaping like the law that says forgiven and you shall be forgiven judge not and you shall not be judged condemn not and you shall not be condemn ... Yes I have a law and am not lawless as you would believe

Psalm 119:17-19
17 Deal bountifully with Your servant, That I may live and keep Your word.
18 Open my eyes, that I may behold Wonderful things from Your law.
19 I am a stranger in the earth; Do not hide Your commandments from me

Romans 2:13
For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.

Amen if you feel compelled to be a doer of the law to be justified by all means do so in faith ... Only take heed to keep the words of Yahshua as well peace to you

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Amen if you feel compelled to be a doer of the law to be justified

Read ALL of his posts again.

Unless I missed it, HE NEVER said he seeks to be justified by being a doer of the law.

Yet what does God Himself say ? (about being only a hearer of Torah, and not a doer? )

 

[dfw69]

Read ALL of his posts again.

Unless I missed it, HE NEVER said he seeks to be justified by being a doer of the law.

Yet what does God Himself say ? (about being only a hearer of Torah, and not a doer? )

I did not say it ... Paul says it .. Read the scripture again .. Paul said the doers of the law are justified

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I did not say it ... Paul says it .. Read the scripture again .. Paul said the doers of the law are justified

VERY GOOD !

 

[dfw69]

VERY GOOD !

What do you mean?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What do you mean?

Scripture is VERY GOOD. Meditating on Scripture is VERY GOOD.
Quoting Scripture to get to the TRUTH is VERY GOOD.

I think you just posted something FROM Scripture, RIGHT? or did I mis-read what you posted ?

 

[dfw69]

Here's the thing Paul taught God is able to save the circumcision through faith and the uncircumcised by faith

He is able to save those under the law and those outside the law .. So we should not call Christmas pagan ...it's not walking in the spirit of yeshua

 

[dfw69]

Scripture is VERY GOOD. Meditating on Scripture is VERY GOOD.
Quoting Scripture to get to the TRUTH is VERY GOOD.

I think you just posted something FROM Scripture, RIGHT? or did I mis-read what you posted ?

Yes i think you mis read what I posted .. It's all good no worries

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I did not say it ... Paul says it .. Read the scripture again .. Paul said the doers of the law are justified

This is the post I said VERY GOOD to.
Did Paul say doers of the law are justified, or not ?

 

[NewbieinChrist]

So I am finding out that xmas is a sin, is it??

Unveiling the Christmas Storyi
By Shannon Achey
The festival of Christmas was celebrated by pagan
sun worshipers long before Yeshua Messiah was ever born.
It was originally called Saturnalia, or Paganalia. A great
compromise started when the early Christians at Rome
sought for a way to convert more pagans into Christianity.
They knew that the pagans celebrated Saturnalia in late
December, so they set the birth date of Yeshua to fall at
that time. These pagans worshiped their sun god on
December 25, as they kept the festival of Saturnalia. So the
church at Rome set Yeshua’s birth date to be on December
25. They believed that this was a way to gain more converts
to Messiah. However, their intent was to increase the size of
the Roman church. This act allowed two major religions to
become united, and everyone was happy, except for YHWH!
This was one of many compromises done to keep peace
between the different religions.
"After the triumph of Constantine, the church at
Rome assigned December 25 as the date for the
celebration of the feast (Messiah’s birth), possibly
about 320 A. D. or 353 A. D. By the end of the fourth
century the whole Christian world was celebrating
Christmas on that day…. The choice of December 25
was probably influenced by the fact that on this day
the Romans celebrated the Mithraic feast of their sungod
(Mithras), and that SATURNALIA also came at this
time", from Collier's Encyclopedia.

Our Father says very clearly do not take a pagan feast and change it to worship Him.

And he did give us specific days that are Holy to Him
Liv23.

Jer
10:3 For the customs of the people are vanity. For one cuts a tree out
of the forest with the axe, the work of the hands of the craftsman.
Jer 10:4 They adorn it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and hammers, so that it will not wobble.
Jer
10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, and they cannot speak; carrying
they must be carried, because they cannot walk. Do not be afraid of
them, for they cannot do evil, neither is it in them to do good†.

First of all, PLEASE DON'T X OUT CHRIST in Christmas! Jesus Christ wasn't actually born on December 25th, however it is the day that early church Christians agreed upon to celebrate the birth of our Lord. He should be The One receiving presents. For eons, people have ruined this holiday, in my opinion. They prioritize materialism over rejoicing the birth of The Son of God Who later gave His life for us! This is one reason I cry for God. For the majority of people, it's money, money, money and as He declares in 1 Timothy 6:10, "For the love of money is the root of all evil:which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." When will we, myself included, STOP with selfishness and focus on His unfailing love and mercy and grace? I'm just grateful He shined His Light on me. I don't celebrate Christmas the pagan way. My tree has lights and crosses and I make Him a birthday cake and sing Happy Birthday to Him.

 

[dfw69]

This is the post I said VERY GOOD to.
Did Paul say doers of the law are justified, or not ?

Yep he said it

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Jesus Christ wasn't actually born on December 25th, however it is the day that early church Christians agreed upon to celebrate the birth of our Lord. He should be The One receiving presents. For eons, people have ruined this holiday, in my opinion. They prioritize materialism over rejoicing the birth of The Son of God Who later gave His life for us! This is one reason I cry for God. For the majority of people, it's money, money, money and as He declares in 1 Timothy 6:10, "For the love of money is the root of all evil:

What makes you believe it wasn't for greed for power and money to start with ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The law is good but for me yahshua fulfill the law for me ... No need for me to be under it anymore ...

This is the post I said VERY GOOD to.
Did Paul say doers of the law are justified, or not ?

Yep he said it

Yahshua fulfilled (did, practiced, obeyed) the law(Torah).
Yhwh said "Not hearers but doers of Torah are justified" . (i.e the Torah is good).
Yahshua TOOK THE PENALTY OF TORAH IN OUR PLACE -- DEATH!
YAHSHUA DIED FOR US.

VERY GOOD !

 

[faroukfarouk]

First of all, PLEASE DON'T X OUT CHRIST in Christmas! Jesus Christ wasn't actually born on December 25th, however it is the day that early church Christians agreed upon to celebrate the birth of our Lord. He should be The One receiving presents. For eons, people have ruined this holiday, in my opinion. They prioritize materialism over rejoicing the birth of The Son of God Who later gave His life for us! This is one reason I cry for God. For the majority of people, it's money, money, money and as He declares in 1 Timothy 6:10, "For the love of money is the root of all evil:which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." When will we, myself included, STOP with selfishness and focus on His unfailing love and mercy and grace? I'm just grateful He shined His Light on me. I don't celebrate Christmas the pagan way. My tree has lights and crosses and I make Him a birthday cake and sing Happy Birthday to Him.

The Incarnation is a wonderful truth to commemorate!

"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1.14). Not a truth to ignore but to rejoice in!

 

[pat34lee]

The law is good but for me yahshua fulfill the law for me ... No need for me to be under it anymore ... The blessings of all the promises will come through his righteousness not my own ...

No, he fulfilled the law because otherwise, he would not be Messiah or Savior.
If he broke any law or sought to change even one, he would be a false prophet.

Do you see the difference in following the law because as a believer, that is what
I believe God wants, and not because it does anything to save me? I follow because
I am saved, not to earn anything.

I see it as the same as if I were married, I would not seek to do the least possible to
keep the covenant. I would want to do everything possible to make my wife happy.

What does Yahweh want from us? Sinless, spotless. What does that mean if Jesus
already did the work and took our sins? Nothing as far as we are concerned?

 

[Hank77]

First of all, PLEASE DON'T X OUT CHRIST in Christmas! Jesus Christ wasn't actually born on December 25th, however it is the day that early church Christians agreed upon to celebrate the birth of our Lord. He should be The One receiving presents. For eons, people have ruined this holiday, in my opinion. They prioritize materialism over rejoicing the birth of The Son of God Who later gave His life for us! This is one reason I cry for God. For the majority of people, it's money, money, money and as He declares in 1 Timothy 6:10, "For the love of money is the root of all evil:which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." When will we, myself included, STOP with selfishness and focus on His unfailing love and mercy and grace? I'm just grateful He shined His Light on me. I don't celebrate Christmas the pagan way. My tree has lights and crosses and I make Him a birthday cake and sing Happy Birthday to Him.

I like your post, it is lovely and I think that the Lord appreciates your outward show of love for Him.

I also thought you might want to know that Jesus was born in the fall, between the end of Sept and mid October. During the Feast of Tabernacles. We can know this by the scriptures themselves. It makes sense also because He came and did tabernacle with us.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What does Yahweh want from us? Sinless, spotless. What does that mean if Jesus
already did the work and took our sins?

SIMPLE. FOLLOW JESUS>
just like the disciples did, and LEARN FROM HIM HOW TO LIVE,
just like the disciples did
(INSTEAD of living like they had grown up learning; INSTEAD of doing what men had told them previously; INSTEAD of wrong traditions and sinful ways.)

 

[dfw69]

No, he fulfilled the law because otherwise, he would not be Messiah or Savior.
If he broke any law or sought to change even one, he would be a false prophet.

Yes he fulfilled the law and accomplished it's task so he is able to change it ... No one can condemn him again with the law because the law is powerless for him .. it is done .. He is not a false prophet for creating the new covenant... It's his fathers will to do so ..the law is only powerful for those who placed themselves under its power ...in which case you have done so by faith ...example..if you judge and condemn someone to death by the law , will you not meet the same fate reaping what you sowed? Though Christ has died for you ... You still meet the judgement of the law for you have judge another to death and so you will die in judgement.. Right? Christ death will not save you if you were to judge and condemn a man to death reaping what you sowed

Do you see the difference in following the law because as a believer, that is what
I believe God wants, and not because it does anything to save me? I follow because
I am saved, not to earn anything.

Yes I do understand ...you are an Israelite by faith ... From my standpoint you still fail to see what Christ is for you ... Christ will correct his followers and his followers will obey when the time comes ... If they don't they were never his to begin with

I see it as the same as if I were married, I would not seek to do the least possible to
keep the covenant. I would want to do everything possible to make my wife happy.

Yes me too ..I see it that way too.. only my covenant is new and not the old covenant renewed ..so we are still different in faith in that aspect ...

I need not be circumcised because Christ is my circumsion ....he was circumsided for me,..I am hid in Christ ... He lived his life for me ... It was as if I never existed that my life is insignificant ... I am one with him...his life is my life ... His righteousness is as if I completed it ....I fulfilled the law through him.. Do you understand my point of view?

You don't have to fulfill the law to recieve his blessings ...he did it for you ... It's a gift of love and mercy ...but take heed to not sin because we all will reap what we sowed

What does Yahweh want from us? Sinless, spotless. What does that mean if Jesus
already did the work and took our sins? Nothing as far as we are concerned?

Not true that it is nothing for Jesus has already recieved all the blessings from the law and is even able to impart his riches and clothe us in his righteousness... you still think the father wants you to be pure .. That's good don't get me wrong .. But in reality he wants us to recognize we are all sinners ...all as one alike in his eyes ... And because we are all sinners the law condemns us all ... So in order to save us from the law we must be free from its bondage ... So Christ was sent to complete that task to free us ... It was done and accomplished by him so that we may serve him by faith ...many men have yet to realize that truth and one day all will see the truth

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes he fulfilled the law and accomplished it's task so he is able to change it ...

The only thing changed is what Yhwh said changed: the High Priest now is Yeshua HaMashiach INSTEAD of previous temporary high priests who had to perform their duties annually and could not atone permanently for men's sins;
and His Sacrifice of Himself(Yeshua HaMashiach) Once for All eliminated the future annual sacrifices for sin.