Is celebrating xmas a sin??

[gadar perets]

What does the verse 33 mean? How exactly does it work? The answer is in verse 34. And none of that has come to pass . Therefore, no new covenant.

I don't understand why you can't answer "yes" to my question. I am not asking you if Torah is written on hearts NOW. I am asking you if it will be written on hearts and minds in the FUTURE based on your belief that the NC is not here now. If not, then what is Jeremiah referring to by "torati"? Does that word not mean "my Torah"?

Verse 34 does NOT address Torah written on the heart. Verse 33 means that those living under the NC will not need to see the written commandments on stone or scrolls in order to obey after they are written on hearts and minds. This will be a miraculous work of YHWH, but, IMHO, He will not write His Torah in our hearts against our will. As we acknowledge each commandment of Torah and choose to obey it through the leading of His Holy Spirit in Messiah Yeshua, He will write it on our hearts and minds.

I will address verse 34 when you give me a direct answer to my question that I have asked you several times already.

 

[danny ski]

I don't understand why you can't answer "yes" to my question. I am not asking you if Torah is written on hearts NOW. I am asking you if it will be written on hearts and minds in the FUTURE based on your belief that the NC is not here now. If not, then what is Jeremiah referring to by "torati"? Does that word not mean "my Torah"?

Verse 34 does NOT address Torah written on the heart. Verse 33 means that those living under the NC will not need to see the written commandments on stone or scrolls in order to obey after they are written on hearts and minds. This will be a miraculous work of YHWH, but, IMHO, He will not write His Torah in our hearts against our will. As we acknowledge each commandment of Torah and choose to obey it through the leading of His Holy Spirit in Messiah Yeshua, He will write it on our hearts and minds.

I will address verse 34 when you give me a direct answer to my question that I have asked you several times already.

This is where you fail. The Jeremiah scroll did not have numbered verses. 33 and 34 are the same subject. That's why 34 starts with "and". It's a clarification of how will the writing of the Torah in minds and hearts work in practice. It's not a separate subject. It's just another case of Scripture explaining/clarifying Scripture .

 

[gadar perets]

This is where you fail. The Jeremiah scroll did not have numbered verses. 33 and 34 are the same subject. That's why 34 starts with "and". It's a clarification of how will the writing of the Torah in minds and hearts work in practice. It's not a separate subject. It's just another case of Scripture explaining/clarifying Scripture .

You have got to be kidding me! Of course they are the same subject (the New Covenant). You have shown that you do not know the answer to my question. Either that or you refuse to answer because you know you were wrong by saying Torah is not the law written on hearts and minds in the New Covenant. Therefore, I will give you the answer. Torah will be written on the hearts and minds of those under the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:33).

 

[pat34lee]

Christmas is a blessed time. Anyone who denies that either has their eyes closed or has some really skewed biased opinions about what the time of the year means to people.
Even secular society is able to recognize how blessed Christmas is.
If it's blessed by God, it's good enough for us, don't you think?

Whoever told you that God blessed a pagan holiday? Depression is
common over the winter holidays, from the buying frenzy beginning
in November to the after Christmas blues when returning presents
and dealing with the overspending and overeating, not to mention
those with family, work or other troubles on top of the holiday stress.

 

[CodyFaith]

Whoever told you that God blessed a pagan holiday? Depression is
common over the winter holidays, from the buying frenzy beginning
in November to the after Christmas blues when returning presents
and dealing with the overspending and overeating, not to mention
those with family, work or other troubles on top of the holiday stress.

When I read this thread I see this:

and this:


blah blah blah pagan origins to some of the traditions blah blah blah gentiles eat ham ( the horror) blah blah blah more legalism blah blah blah it's impossible for a shepherd to be outside during the cold season in Israel, impossible I tell you! blah blah blah

Like I said, even secular non-believers can recognized the blessed season that is the Christmas season. They see light. It's one of the only times of the year where Christians might actually get through to some. It's a window of opportunity, given by God.

 

[pat34lee]

I am not addressing the spirit vs. the letter, but the fact that believers in Messiah Yeshua are servants/ministers of the New Covenant. How can that be if the NC is not in effect yet? Are you a servant/minister of the New Covenant or not?

You still have not addressed Galatians 4:22-31.

I agree, no laws have changed. They remain the same under the NC.

I am still missing something. Most people pull out Galatians
to argue that we are not 'under the law' any more. You are
correct, that the laws do not change from one covenant to
another. Covenants add together, not replace each other.

I thought I gave a good smoking gun proof that the NC could
not be in effect yet by Yeshua's own words.

Until Yeshua returns and changes us, the system is the same
and so is the covenant.

 

[pat34lee]

blah blah blah [/B]

Wait until you learn his ministry was only 70 weeks from his
baptism to his ascension into heaven instead of 3-1/2 years.

 

[CodyFaith]

Wait until you learn his ministry was only 70 weeks from his
baptism to his ascension into heaven instead of 3-1/2 years.

Not sure what you're getting at. Am I supposed to be frightened by the concept? :S

 

[danny ski]

You have got to be kidding me! Of course they are the same subject (the New Covenant). You have shown that you do not know the answer to my question. Either that or you refuse to answer because you know you were wrong by saying Torah is not the law written on hearts and minds in the New Covenant. Therefore, I will give you the answer. Torah will be written on the hearts and minds of those under the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:33).

LOL ! The prophet says this will happen. So, what? It does no help your case either way. You believe that this has already happened, that we're into the new covenant. Our conversation is proof positive that we're not.

 

[W2L]

Its my opinion that Jerimiah 31:33 may refer to a person who obeys God from the heart. It may simply refer to a person who isn't looking to just appear like a worshipper of God, but actually worships from the heart. It may be about a person who is looking for truth inside themselves, instead of just religious ceremonies and such.

It may also refer to the Holy spirit who resides in people, reminding them of Gods command, and showing them their own wicked heart.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

When God created the Ten Commandments the best and only people who would have passed it on without err were the Jews. Even if you think the NT is bunch of Hogwash we share something called the 10 commandments. There's something you haven't seen yet as Jews, that the so called Christians have a complete confusion of the decrees of the LORD of the House of Israel/Jacob. I wish you were there when they started these things but the mountain is too huge that I feel the King of all Ages is about vanquish mankind from existence.

Some turned to Asherah, offered food in thanksgiving and praises, bowed at and kissed the feet of Asherah, burned incenses to darkness of all ages, and they rebuked mankind for ignoring the spirit. I wish you knew the anger burning in the Heavens. The sin is so severe that the Spirit began performing wonders and signs such a big deception that even those of the NT have fallen away. We have preached on top of our lungs but they call us, Children that came the other day. We don't know who else can help us. Even if you don't think we have it right with the Torah I know you know what I'm saying.

Good Day

 

[gadar perets]

When I read this thread I see this:
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and this:
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That's because Hollywood has done a great job of brainwashing people to believe those who oppose Christmas are Scrooges and Grinches. They want you to believe Christmas is something good so they can make money off of you.

Like I said, even secular non-believers can recognized the blessed season that is the Christmas season. They see light. It's one of the only times of the year where Christians might actually get through to some. It's a window of opportunity, given by God.

So, your defense of Christmas is Hollywood fantasy and what unbelievers think? Where is your Biblical foundation for loving what the world loves? It's a window of opportunity to lead them out darkness by using untruths and more darkness? Is the preaching of the Gospel through a Spirit filled believer not enough so that we have to resort to lying to the world about Christmas being the Savior's birthday in order to draw them in?

 

[Linet Kihonge]

That's because Hollywood has done a great job of brainwashing people to believe those who oppose Christmas are Scrooges and Grinches. They want you to believe Christmas is something good so they can make money off of you.


So, your defense of Christmas is Hollywood fantasy and what unbelievers think? Where is your Biblical foundation for loving what the world loves? It's a window of opportunity to lead them out darkness by using untruths and more darkness? Is the preaching of the Gospel through a Spirit filled believer not enough so that we have to resort to lying to the world about Christmas being the Savior's birthday in order to draw them in?

I could offer a gallon of fresh waters from pure running rivers because your throat is about to dry up!

 

[gadar perets]

LOL ! The prophet says this will happen. So, what? It does no help your case either way.

I'll take that as you finally answering my question by agreeing with me. That deserves a HalleluYah!

You believe that this has already happened, that we're into the new covenant. Our conversation is proof positive that we're not.

No. Our conversation is proof that YOU are not in the New Covenant. I am already partaking of the New Covenant. I have a new mediator in Messiah Yeshua rather than Moses. I have a new High Priest in Yeshua rather than Aaron. I live under a new priesthood in Melchizedek rather Levi. I have a new sacrifice for my sins in Yeshua rather than animals. I have a better tabernacle in heaven rather than on earth. The Law is being written on my heart and mind rather than on tables of stone. I have eternal promises rather than temporal promises. I know YHWH. He lives in me through His indwelling Holy Spirit and has made me one with Him through the ultimate atoning sacrifice, Yeshua. I already had all my iniquities forgiven. They are no longer remembered.

Many others, such as yourself, have chosen to not enter the New Covenant because they think it hasn't arrived yet. At least you have an excuse in that YHWH has blinded Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles enter in. Others prefer a temporal, carnal life in this world and flat out reject the New Covenant. Until the last person on earth enters the New Covenant, there will be neighbors that still need to know YHWH. Once that last person knows Him as well, then the New Covenant will have reached it's ultimate fulfillment.

 

[gadar perets]

I could offer a gallon of fresh waters from pure running rivers because your throat is about to dry up!

Does this mean you support Christmas as well? If you are offering that water, go ahead. I'll receive it unless it is bitter.

 

[gadar perets]

Wait until you learn his ministry was only 70 weeks from his
baptism to his ascension into heaven instead of 3-1/2 years.

I would be interested to see that laid out in another thread.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

Does this mean you support Christmas as well? If you are offering that water, go ahead. I'll receive it unless it is bitter.

Nooo! I have rebuked the Holiday and I'm TIRED. I have said, according to Paul Pagans didn't do festivals to gods but to contrite spirits. Therefore, there's no way God would need anything from such an abhorred culture for anything. I have to take glasses of water to calm down. :/

 

[danny ski]

I'll take that as you finally answering my question by agreeing with me. That deserves a HalleluYah!


No. Our conversation is proof that YOU are not in the New Covenant. I am already partaking of the New Covenant. I have a new mediator in Messiah Yeshua rather than Moses. I have a new High Priest in Yeshua rather than Aaron. I live under a new priesthood in Melchizedek rather Levi. I have a new sacrifice for my sins in Yeshua rather than animals. I have a better tabernacle in heaven rather than on earth. The Law is being written on my heart and mind rather than on tables of stone. I have eternal promises rather than temporal promises. I know YHWH. He lives in me through His indwelling Holy Spirit and has made me one with Him through the ultimate atoning sacrifice, Yeshua. I already had all my iniquities forgiven. They are no longer remembered.

Many others, such as yourself, have chosen to not enter the New Covenant because they think it hasn't arrived yet. At least you have an excuse in that YHWH has blinded Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles enter in. Others prefer a temporal, carnal life in this world and flat out reject the New Covenant. Until the last person on earth enters the New Covenant, there will be neighbors that still need to know YHWH. Once that last person knows Him as well, then the New Covenant will have reached it's ultimate fulfillment.

You're partaking in something, just not what Jeremiah talked about.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

Gadar, someone messed it up BIG TIME. I will show you who.

If the first church to branch off from the NT was this, we are not of the Covenant at all. Who will we say we are? The LORD Abhorred it and somebody took off with a Church that's more Pagan that I don't even know if the LORD would want to come to earth to stay even for a micro-second. Look even if Jesus was a prophet of God he abhorred this and even if he had disciples they abhorred this too. I know they were Jews and even if they did something new to you they observed all the Commandments. At least, they did Otherwise, I renounce this!

 

[gadar perets]

You're partaking in something, just not what Jeremiah talked about.

You will partake of the same when the Almighty lifts the blindness from Israel (Romans 11:7-8, 25-26; 2 Corinthians 3:6-16). Then you will receive Messiah Yeshua as YHWH's Maschiach, King and Savior (Zechariah 12:10-14; Revelation 1:7). Then you and I will stroll through the streets of New Jerusalem and talk about how loving and merciful YHWH is and I'll tell you all about what you missed by not receiving Yeshua earlier in your life as many of your brothers did.