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'Strong' tradition 'required' for doctrine not in harmony with all Scripture ?
"Tradition" accounts for similar errors in almost all religion, doesn't it ?

Agree

And if it's an easier doctrin, you can bet it'll become tradition right quick.
 
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Jesus calls that falling away from the faith.
It means you were never saved.
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)
 
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“And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” Romans 11:23 (KJV 1900)

“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” John 6:37 (KJV 1900)
 
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That makes no sense. Salvation is not a pat on the back. Salvation is a gift to be received by "whosoever will."
“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” John 1:12–13 (KJV 1900)
 
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You have to be saved before you can believe enough to ask what to do.
 
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That’s not what he wrote. He himself, when he lay dying, wasn’t sure he was saved.
Understanding God's standard of righteousness will cause any person to despair of his or her own performance. It is only when such persons look outside of themselves to God's provision of righteousness for them which is applied by faith in Christ will they be filled with confidence of their attainment of Heaven.
Here is an excerpt from Calvin just before he died:
‘I render thanks to God, not only because he has had compassion on me, his poor creature, to draw me out of the abyss of idolatry in which I was plunged,
in order to bring me to the light of his gospel and make me a partaker of the doctrine of salvation, of which I was altogether unworthy,
and continuing his mercy he has supported me amid so many sins and shortcomings, which were such that I well deserved to be rejected by him a hundred thousand times
– but what is more, he has so far extended his mercy towards me as to make use of me and of my labour, to convey and announce the truth of his gospel;
protesting that it is my wish to live and die in this faith which he has bestowed on me, having no other hope nor refuge except in his gratuitous adoption, upon which all my salvation is founded;
embracing the grace which he has given me in our Lord Jesus Christ, and accepting the merits of his death and passion,
in order that by this means all my sins may be buried;
and praying him so to wash and cleanse me by the blood of this great Redeemer, which has been shed for us poor sinners,
that I may appear before his face, bearing as it were, his image.’
 
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And many of them believe that men are merely misinformed and just need God to point them in the right direction.
And as for those who reject the Gospel, well they just aren't as righteous as those who accept it.
Were they born not as righteous?
Is it where they grew up that made them not as righteous?
Was it their school?
Parents?
 
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God uses means to accomplish His purposes. Making an appeal to believe and repent is one such means.
Most Calvinists understand this (excepting hyper-Calvinists).
 
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Were they born not as righteous?
Is it where they grew up that made them not as righteous?
Was it their school?
Parents?
By nature, we like to fancy ourselves as being righteous to some degree. We like to compare ourselves with others as if some people are worse sinners than others. But the Scriptures teach us that 'there are none righteous. No not one.'
And 'we all fall short of the glory of God'.
If anyone chooses to believe the Gospel it is not because they are better than the one that rejects it. Rather, it because the Spirit of God has begun to turn their hearts toward God.
 
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That God wants us to do good works and always has is not in question. This verse doesn’t say HOW we are saved in terms of God’s part nor show that He selected some and not others.
Romans 9 tells us we are selected before we are even born...do anything good or bad.....in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls.
 
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So, if the Spirit of God is turning your head toward God...why do many then reject this prompting?
 
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So, if the Spirit of God is turning your head toward God...why do many then reject this prompting?
I'm referring to the Spirit's work of regeneration. That work cannot be resisted. There is world of difference between men finding the Gospel attractive versus abandoning everything in order to have Jesus. The former is superficial while the latter is supernatural.
 
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The idea of the gentiles being the vessels of honor and the Jews being the vessels of dishonor is totally out of context.

You really need to look at other translations or at least look to see how Paul uses the same concept with the same Greek word for honor and dishonorable being, “common” and “special” 2Tim. 2:20-21. The Jews had a very special purpose on earth while the gentiles had a more common purpose. In 2 Tim. Paul is saying the dishonorable vessel (common vessel) can even become special vessel.

The Potter story has the vessels leaving His shop (humans being born) and nothing leaves His shop made for destruction like a clay pigeon. Any clay vessel can easily be damaged and worthless for the purpose it left the shop to fulfill, the Potter would not want His mark on a leaky vessel so those are made for destruction, but that is after leaving the shop.

Please look at my post 638.
 
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The problem is when, it is said: “there is no difference between the individual God selects and those He does not select”, that is describing an arbitrary selection.
 
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