Is belief in the creation story a salvation issue?

[SkyWriting]

Reality is not determined by belief based so called science and how it wants to overrule God.

Scientific observation was built upon foundations laid down by Creationists.
Don't get the silly idea that observation is opposed to God.
Just becasue some scientists are not believers, that has no bearing
on "Observations". Conclusions perhaps. Don't toss out the baby with the bathwater.

 

[SkyWriting]

What value is there in inventing millions of years to try and determine how one translates a word in the bible to try and compromise with manscience?

Not my goal in the least. Now. lets try and find that YEC in scripture, eh?
I was a YEC, but I couldn't find it anywhere. I was / am a fan of Henry Morris.
He is the one who taught me in his books, that scripture speaks plainly.
Even Adam was not created "Young".
The earth is not young either.

 

[dad]

You get that from looking at the sky?

19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

20 For ever since the creation of the world...
God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power
and divine nature, have been clearly seen,
being understood from His workmanship,
so that men are without excuse.

The verse did not come from looking at the sky.

 

[dad]

Scientific observation was built upon foundations laid down by Creationists.
Don't get the silly idea that observation is opposed to God.

That depends if you take observation to mean the religious imposition of a godless set of assumptions about the past and universe and origins or not. No observation of creation exists in case that is news, and no observation of the laws in the future or past exist.

Just becasue some scientists are not believers, that has no bearing
on "Observations". Conclusions perhaps. Don't toss out the baby with the bathwater.

The baby is not the evil fantasies and anti creator fables that so called science concocts.

 

[dad]

Not my goal in the least. Now. lets try and find that YEC in scripture, eh?

Jewish tradition says Abraham was a contemporary with Noah. We know about when Abraham lived. His tomb is in Israel. We know Methuselah also was a contemporary with Noah. We know who was the father of Methuselah. We know Adam was a contemporary of the guy also. Not rocket science. It is a matter of belief or unbelief.

I was a YEC, but I couldn't find it anywhere. I was / am a fan of Henry Morris.
He is the one who taught me in his books, that scripture speaks plainly.
Even Adam was not created "Young".
The earth is not young either.

The earth is young. It looks old. Adam was created a man, that is true. But if I looked at his teeth, and other body pats, I might know he was not old on the day he was created.

 

[Radrook]

House built on a weak foundation will not stand.

 

[rjs330]

Since we know the world was made for man, and man was made the fifth day, and the other days of creation were clearly denoted as real days with mornings and evenings, you can't insert imaginary time on a whim for no reason.

I'm not trying to. I just posed a,question. Genesis doesn't say how long the earth was without form and void and covered with water. It was just an interesting thought to,me. Not trying to make any doctrine out of it or anything. The bible is very silent on that. I am a staunch believer in the six say creation as written.

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[SkyWriting]

The earth is young. It looks old. Adam was created a man, that is true. But if I looked at his teeth, and other body parts, I might know he was not old on the day he was created.

Adam walked beside God in the Garden.
I'm sure you know that no man can do this.
Adams body before the fall was similar to
Jesus after His resurrection.

 

[SkyWriting]

That depends if you take observation to mean the religious imposition of a godless set of assumptions about the past and universe and origins or not. No observation of creation exists in case that is news, and no observation of the laws in the future or past exist.

I cover all that in my sig file so as not to repeat myself over and over about past events.

 

[SkyWriting]

House built on a weak foundation will not stand.

Thanks.

I've gone into detail about what constitutes well
supported doctrine, and what is just mud.

Essential Doctrines of Christianity|Doctrines Essential to Christian Faith
The Foundational Doctrines Of The Christian Faith
The seven basic principles of Christ's doctrine

People seem to luv the mud. They wallow in it
all day long and build their faith around mud.

 

[Radrook]

Thanks.

I've gone into detail about what constitutes well
supported doctrine, and what is just mud.

Essential Doctrines of Christianity|Doctrines Essential to Christian Faith
The Foundational Doctrines Of The Christian Faith
The seven basic principles of Christ's doctrine

People seem to luv the mud. They wallow in it
all day long and build their faith around mud.

I looked up the CARM link.
Well, I guess we differ considerably in what is and isn't essential.

 

[Speedwell]

I looked up the CARM link.
Well, I guess we differ considerably in what is and isn't essential.

Interesting. What do you disagree with or think was left out? For my part, I would have bumped the last three up to "essential."

 

[dad]

I'm not trying to. I just posed a,question. Genesis doesn't say how long the earth was without form and void and covered with water. It was just an interesting thought to,me. Not trying to make any doctrine out of it or anything. The bible is very silent on that. I am a staunch believer in the six say creation as written.

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OK, so let's look at that. The earth was created day 1. At the time the earth was without form, there was darkness on the face of the deep. But God made light. Then we see there was evening and morning that same day. So the formlessness was on day 1, part of a day!

 

[dad]

I cover all that in my sig file so as not to repeat myself over and over about past events.

I see nothing in your sig that addresses whether the forces of nature today are supposed to be defined as the forces of God since creation week actually.

 

[dad]

Adam walked beside God in the Garden.
I'm sure you know that no man can do this.
Adams body before the fall was similar to
Jesus after His resurrection.

OK, so? What does this have to do with what Adam's teeth would tell a modern expert who would have looked at them on creation day?

 

[SkyWriting]

OK, so? What does this have to do with what Adam's teeth would tell a modern expert who would have looked at them on creation day?

Adam was not human whilst in the Garden. He was....but not a mortal human.
The kind like us who wear out. At that time, he was not what we call human
as he was not mortal. Just as an examination after the resurrection....there
was no valid explanations. Jesus seemed to be invisible at times.

 

[SkyWriting]

I see nothing in your sig that addresses whether the forces of nature today are supposed to be defined as the forces of God since creation week actually.

The young earth concept has no biblical support.
There are many faithful people with calculators trying
to determine if the world was created before noon or
after noon 6000 years ago, but none can back it up
with solid scripture like real doctrine.

The idea that scripture comes from God is among
the most poorly supported idea as well. I still hold
to it, but it's not well supported.

 

[dad]

Adam was not human whilst in the Garden. He was....but not a mortal human.

Yet he was man kind!

The kind like us who wear out. At that time, he was not what we call human
as he was not mortal. Just as an examination after the resurrection....there
was no valid explanations. Jesus seemed to be invisible at times.

True. He had a resurrected new body as we will have.

 

[dad]

The young earth concept has no biblical support.

Yes if Noah was a real guy, and Abraham, and Methuselah then we can connect the dots...no millions of years remotely possible. If Adam was made in creation week, then all we need to do is know bout when he lived.

The idea that scripture comes from God is among
the most poorly supported idea as well.

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Do you realize Jesus was referring to Scripture when He said this??
Mr 7:13 - Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you realize Jesus was referring to Scripture when He said this??
Mr 7:13 - Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Was he referring to His own words?.....and in which language? English? I don't think you're quoting what exactly He said either. I think He was speaking in a different language, referring to words......in a different language. Is he referring to stories or scrolls we don't have today?

Parallel Verses
New International Version
Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."

New Living Translation
And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others."

English Standard Version
thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Berean Study Bible
Thus you nullify the word of God by the tradition you have handed down. And you do so in many such matters."

Berean Literal Bible
making void the word of God for your tradition, which you have handed down. And you do many things like such."

New American Standard Bible
thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that."

King James Bible
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.