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Is belief in the creation story a salvation issue?

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Science (junk) is held in high esteem by man. Yhwh's Word says therefore He considers it poop. THat's pretty simple.
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RE: What God Thinks About Things That Men Hold To High Esteem ...
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including your celebrities, titles, knowledge, etc etc. LUKE 16 VS 15 that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of ...
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Also, take a few years and make a checklist, long or short, to ask people questions about their faith and find out if their faith is true or false - do they live as Jesus says, or not - and keep records for as long as you feel like doing.....
Along with the questions about their faith (to see if it is real or not),
ask
also if they believe in Yhwh's Word describing creation, or in man's description of evolution.

If you are able to do this, Yhwh Willing, even very very casually (unauthorized, unofficially) ,
and
mostly , of course, if Yhwh Reveals the Truth and permits you to do this,
then
you will see a pattern that never changes.
 
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Science (junk) is held in high esteem by man. Yhwh's Word says therefore He considers it poop. THat's pretty simple.
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RE: What God Thinks About Things That Men Hold To High Esteem ...
www.nairaland.com/910078/what-god-thinks-things-men
Apr 9, 2012 - 8 posts - ‎3 authors
including your celebrities, titles, knowledge, etc etc. LUKE 16 VS 15 that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of ...
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Exactly where in Scripture does it specifically say that God consideres science to be "poop". Please show me that verse. And do people really hold science in "high esteem"? I think people regard it as a tool that advances civilization; I don't know that most people hold it in "high esteem".

Also, take a few years and make a checklist, long or short, to ask people questions about their faith and find out if their faith is true or false - do they live as Jesus says, or not - and keep records for as long as you feel like doing.....
Along with the questions about their faith (to see if it is real or not), ask also if they believe in Yhwh's Word describing creation, or in man's description of evolution.

If you are able to do this, Yhwh Willing, even very very casually (unauthorized, unofficially), and mostly , of course, if Yhwh Reveals the Truth and permits you to do this, then you will see a pattern that never changes.

The majority of Christians believe in evolution. Are you saying that those who do so aren't actually Christian?
 
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Exactly where in Scripture does it specifically say that God consideres science to be "poop". Please show me that verse. And do people really hold science in "high esteem"? I think people regard it as a tool that advances civilization; I don't know that most people hold it in "high esteem".



The majority of Christians believe in evolution. Are you saying that those who do so aren't actually Christian?
I wouldn't say so myself. But I would call them misled or deceived or ignorant. I would guess and it's a guess mind you that the majority of believers have really taken little time to study the matter of evolution vs creation. Most believers spend vastly far more time in secular classrooms studying and learning about evolution than they do studying scriptures much less creation. I would label the vast majority ignorant. The rest misled or deceived.
 
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Science (junk) is held in high esteem by man. Yhwh's Word says therefore He considers it poop. THat's pretty simple.
Well, since you appear to be so anti-science, are you going to trash your computer, car, electrical, heating/cooling, water source, etc. etc. etc., and go live in a cave?
 
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Well, since you appear to be so anti-science, are you going to trash your computer, car, electrical, heating/cooling, water source, etc. etc. etc., and go live in a cave?
Hmmm..
What did man with all his knowledge and wisdom do ? >>
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
 
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I wouldn't say so myself. But I would call them misled or deceived or ignorant. I would guess and it's a guess mind you that the majority of believers have really taken little time to study the matter of evolution vs creation. Most believers spend vastly far more time in secular classrooms studying and learning about evolution than they do studying scriptures much less creation. I would label the vast majority ignorant. The rest misled or deceived.
On the other hand, you are also including in your denunciation churches which have taught what they consider to be a complete and internally self-consistent position, one which they have held for centuries.

Did you read the Fathers in your university or not?
 
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Hmmm..
What did man with all his knowledge and wisdom do ? >>
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Do you feel better now?
 
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Do you feel better now?
No, why should I ?
Like Lot, we ekklesia are sorely vexed.
Like Noah, we ekklesia may see nothing but trouble all around us for 100 years.
Like the Apostles, we ekklesia may be surrounded on every side >>
2 Corinthians 4:8 We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed ...
biblehub.com/2_corinthians/4-8.htm
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New Living Translation We are pressed on every side by troubles, but we are not crushed. We are perplexed, but not driven to despair.

But Y'SHUA says "...so it is - in the world you will (necessarily) have much persecution (and it is so); but BE OF GOOD CHEER< I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD" (and it is so)
 
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No, why should I ?
Like Lot, we ekklesia are sorely vexed.
Like Noah, we ekklesia may see nothing but trouble all around us for 100 years.
Like the Apostles, we ekklesia may be surrounded on every side >>
2 Corinthians 4:8 We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed ...
biblehub.com/2_corinthians/4-8.htm
Bible Hub
New Living Translation We are pressed on every side by troubles, but we are not crushed. We are perplexed, but not driven to despair.

But Y'SHUA says "...so it is - in the world you will (necessarily) have much persecution (and it is so); but BE OF GOOD CHEER< I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD" (and it is so)
What does any of that have to do with the topic of this thread? You might be interested in going to the Apologetics portion of the CF.
 
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QUOTE="yeshuaslavejeff, post: 70187376, member: 96665"]No, why should I ?
Like Lot, we ekklesia are sorely vexed. ((by the unbelievers, and society, and the enemy's stories, substitutions, lies, and perniciousness propagated throughout all the earth))(i.e. anti-Scriptural belief systems; anti-Life Giving communists beliefs where they exist; the (so-called) moral compass or lack there-of in the world's views and purposes and agenda's ))
Like Noah, we ekklesia may see nothing but trouble all around us for 100 years. (( all the many and diverse ways in which hasatan has infiltrated every nook and crany that it could in governments, schools, churches, bridge clubs, armies, etc etc etc))
Like the Apostles, we ekklesia may be surrounded on every side >>
2 Corinthians 4:8 We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed ...
biblehub.com/2_corinthians/4-8.htm
Bible Hub
New Living Translation We are pressed on every side by troubles, but we are not crushed. We are perplexed, but not driven to despair.

But Y'SHUA says "...so it is - in the world you will (necessarily) have much persecution (and it is so); but BE OF GOOD CHEER< I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD" (and it is so)/QUOTE

What does any of that have to do with the topic of this thread?
i.e. not just one thought or idea or belief, but the whole immoral system(as was effectively used widely by the Nazis) and all of its instruments that is arrayed against the MESSIAH Y'SHUA and all the people on earth that are tossed back and forth, to and fro, by the diverse "winds of doctrine" in both Christian and unChristian circles.
 
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QUOTE="yeshuaslavejeff, post: 70187376, member: 96665"]No, why should I ?
Like Lot, we ekklesia are sorely vexed. ((by the unbelievers, and society, and the enemy's stories, substitutions, lies, and perniciousness propagated throughout all the earth))(i.e. anti-Scriptural belief systems; anti-Life Giving communists beliefs where they exist; the (so-called) moral compass or lack there-of in the world's views and purposes and agenda's ))
Like Noah, we ekklesia may see nothing but trouble all around us for 100 years. (( all the many and diverse ways in which hasatan has infiltrated every nook and crany that it could in governments, schools, churches, bridge clubs, armies, etc etc etc))
Like the Apostles, we ekklesia may be surrounded on every side >>
2 Corinthians 4:8 We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed ...
biblehub.com/2_corinthians/4-8.htm
Bible Hub
New Living Translation We are pressed on every side by troubles, but we are not crushed. We are perplexed, but not driven to despair.

But Y'SHUA says "...so it is - in the world you will (necessarily) have much persecution (and it is so); but BE OF GOOD CHEER< I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD" (and it is so)/QUOTE


i.e. not just one thought or idea or belief, but the whole immoral system(as was effectively used widely by the Nazis) and all of its instruments that is arrayed against the MESSIAH Y'SHUA and all the people on earth that are tossed back and forth, to and fro, by the diverse "winds of doctrine" in both Christian and unChristian circles.

But the topic of thsi thread is specifically whether belief in the Genesis creation account is a salvation issue. No one has yet convinced me that it is.
 
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But the topic of thsi thread is specifically whether belief in the Genesis creation account is a salvation issue. No one has yet convinced me that it is.
That's okay. It is still vexing to ekklesia. And contrarily, it (evolution) was used by the Germans (actually communists all around the world used it) to brainwash(as part of their "youth regeneration" or whatever they called it) the youth and young adults and when possible also the older ones.
I don't think anyone will or can convince you, nor should we try.
 
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That's okay. It is still vexing to ekklesia. And contrarily, it (evolution) was used by the Germans (actually communists all around the world used it) to brainwash(as part of their "youth regeneration" or whatever they called it) the youth and young adults and when possible also the older ones.
I don't think anyone will or can convince you, nor should we try.

But I don't believe you have yet answered the question.
 
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But I don't believe you have yet answered the question.

I don't believe you have proven your point at all - unless you point was "if I ignore every detail in the discussion can I still claim I don't see any answers?" -- to which I would agree that using such methods you certain could make such a claim as the conclusion.
 
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Well, since you appear to be so anti-science, are you going to trash your computer, car, electrical, heating/cooling, water source, etc. etc. etc., and go live in a cave?

But then arises the religion of evolutionism whose by-faith-alone claim is that "A pile of dirt will sure-enough turn into a rabbit over time - given a sufficiently talented and large pile of dirt... and a sufficiently long and talented length of time filled with just-so-stories that are easy enough to tell".

And this is supposed to be the "compelling reason to disbelieve the Bible"???

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Notice how the devil starts with "mock the Word of God" as his opening gambit in Genesis 3?


And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?

Then notice how clear and irrefutable the text of God's Word "by contrast"?

Originally Posted by BobRyan =========================================
One leading Hebrew scholar is James Barr, Professor of Hebrew Bible at Vanderbilt University and former Regius Professor of Hebrew at Oxford University in England. Although he does not believe in the historicity of Genesis 1, Dr. Barr does agree that the writer's intent was to narrate the actual history of primeval creation. Others also agree with him.

"Probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1-11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that (a) creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience; . . . Or, to put it negatively, the apologetic arguments which suppose the "days" of creation to be long eras of time, the figures of years not to be chronological, and the flood to be a merely local Mesopotamian flood, are not taken seriously by any such professors, as far as I know. "

James Barr, letter to David Watson, 1984.


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"Six days you shall labor... for in SIX days the LORD Made..." Ex 20:8-11

Spoken by God and written in "legal code" not in "parable"


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But the topic of thsi thread is specifically whether belief in the Genesis creation account is a salvation issue. No one has yet convinced me that it is.

Because your "strategy" has been to 'ignore every detail in the posts' and then circle back to "I still don't see anything".

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By contrast we had this irrefutable post --

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In "theory" this thread is about what the Bible says regarding the significance of the Bible account of creation and how it pertains to Gospel - salvation.

Which got this response.

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As we saw here that -- the Word of God places the creation fact - as the basis for true worship.

John is informed by Genesis 1, and accepts the Bible rather than rejecting it...

John knows his readers are informed by it... assumes they accept it.

Notice that John 1 is not blind faith evolutionism - just as Genesis 1 is not.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

No evolutionist text on origins will have that text as its affirmative or summary. And we all know it.

Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

No evolutionist text on origins will have that text as its affirmative or summary. And we all know it.

Genes 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

No evolutionist text on origins will have that text as its affirmative or summary. And we all know it.

And "yes" John knew of Ex 20:11 so also did his readers

Rev 14:6-7
6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.

Revelation 4:
9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:
11 “You are worthy, O Lord,
To receive glory and honor and power;
For You created all things,
And by Your will they exist and were created.”



John 1
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

No evolutionist text on origins will have that text as its affirmative or summary. And we all know it.

Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

No evolutionist text on origins will have that text as its affirmative or summary. And we all know it.

Genes 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

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T.E's have found a "tiny island" for themselves and Bible believing Christians are not going there with them - neither are the atheists and agnostics apparently. (I don't see many Hindus or Buddhists arguing that the Bible is true - except it is bent to preach darwinism)
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And apparently had no answer for this post than to ignore every detail listed as if blind or could not see for some other reason.

Which is about what we would have expected since these are Bible texts.
 
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But then arises the religion of evolutionism whose by-faith-alone claim is that "A pile of dirt will sure-enough turn into a rabbit over time - given a sufficiently talented and large pile of dirt... and a sufficiently long and talented length of time filled with just-so-stories that are easy enough to tell".

And this is supposed to be the "compelling reason to disbelieve the Bible"???
HAHAHA - You've brought up a rather unusual conundrum (or whatever).
We who were created (and born again) living beings serving YHWH in Y'SHUA
are being challenged (in their own scientific system definitions) by the offspring of primordial goo (if they are the ones who are right; which of course is impossible) ;
rather we are all created human beings, created as YHWH decreed, to serve HIM and not defile HIS CREATION nor further corrupt it.
Because of free will, and sin, not everyone (by far) will serve HIM, but we pray as many will as have been appointed unto SALVATION IN JESUS.
 
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I don't believe you have proven your point at all - unless you point was "if I ignore every detail in the discussion can I still claim I don't see any answers?" -- to which I would agree that using such methods you certain could make such a claim as the conclusion.
I don't have any point to prove. The topic if this thread is whether belief in the Genesis creation account is a salvation issue. You have not directly answered whether it is or is not. We are not discussing whether evolution did or did not happen. We are not discussing whether it us or is not junk science.
 
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Because your "strategy" has been to 'ignore every detail in the posts' and then circle back to "I still don't see anything".

==============================================

By contrast we had this irrefutable post --

-

In "theory" this thread is about what the Bible says regarding the significance of the Bible account of creation and how it pertains to Gospel - salvation.

Which got this response.

====================================

As we saw here that -- the Word of God places the creation fact - as the basis for true worship.

John is informed by Genesis 1, and accepts the Bible rather than rejecting it...

John knows his readers are informed by it... assumes they accept it.

Notice that John 1 is not blind faith evolutionism - just as Genesis 1 is not.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

No evolutionist text on origins will have that text as its affirmative or summary. And we all know it.

Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

No evolutionist text on origins will have that text as its affirmative or summary. And we all know it.

Genes 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

No evolutionist text on origins will have that text as its affirmative or summary. And we all know it.

And "yes" John knew of Ex 20:11 so also did his readers

Rev 14:6-7
6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.

Revelation 4:
9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:
11 “You are worthy, O Lord,
To receive glory and honor and power;
For You created all things,
And by Your will they exist and were created.”



John 1
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

No evolutionist text on origins will have that text as its affirmative or summary. And we all know it.

Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

No evolutionist text on origins will have that text as its affirmative or summary. And we all know it.

Genes 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

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T.E's have found a "tiny island" for themselves and Bible believing Christians are not going there with them - neither are the atheists and agnostics apparently. (I don't see many Hindus or Buddhists arguing that the Bible is true - except it is bent to preach darwinism)
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And apparently had no answer for this post than to ignore every detail listed as if blind or could not see for some other reason.

Which is about what we would have expected since these are Bible texts.
Posting the same thing over and over and ignoring the question under discussion doesn't help your case. Is it a salvation issue? Yes or no.
 
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But then arises the religion of evolutionism whose by-faith-alone claim is that "A pile of dirt will sure-enough turn into a rabbit over time - given a sufficiently talented and large pile of dirt... and a sufficiently long and talented length of time filled with just-so-stories that are easy enough to tell".
You know Bob, your right! I agree. I think anyone who thinks a pile of dirt can change into a rabbit is just totally out of their mind. Why? Because the Theory of Evolution suggests no such thing. However ...

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, ...
 
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