Is being Wiccan moral?

[Volos]

That's exactly my point. It is a man-made religion.

Yes, all religions are man made sets of rituals and myths designed to express a spiritual ideal. At its best religion offers structure to spirituality and provides a sense of community and continuity.

But man isn't God, nor has he seen God, so this testifies to whether or not the religion is true.

I know of no religion that makes such a claim.

In the meantime, the true God is offended by the worship of spirits who claim to be gods, but are not. The spirits are real. THe problem is, they aren't God. Good question.

In a Panentheistic or Pantheistic world view such spirits would be part of the Divine as the Divine is part of everything that is including humans. This is not in any way a suggestion that humans are Divine beings or could ever be mistaken for such. (I thought it important to point that out as you routinely bear false witness to that effect)



As for your comment about a singular true God: All Gods and Goddess are true.

Another good question. Here we have to determine whether or not allah really is God. If you check into the history of the religion, and the fact that human means and force are deeply engrained in the religion, you'll start seeing the difference between the religions.

So far I see no difference between islam and Christianity. In both religiosn human means and force were and are deeply engrained.

Check back on some of the posts about the authenticity of scripture, and we can go from there if you like.
If you like, please check through the posts on the authenticity of scripture and the arguments against their being inspired by man. I'd be happy to discuss it further with you if you like.

No real need to check back. You have consistently failed to show that your bible was in any way Divinely inspired rather than a work of individual men. The best that can be said is that you believe that it is but as I have often remarked to you believing that something is so does not necessarily make it so.

Imitation: a good topic you brought up. Take a look at the third chapter of Genesis and what satan used to deceive Eve. Look at the specific argument he used. Then, bear in mind what led to his fall. This will reveal a lot.

If I remember my Christian mythology correctly the serpent in the garden simply told the truth and it was Yahweh that lied.

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened



And ultimately the serpent was punished for either telling the truth and exposing Gods lie.

I fail to see your point.

 

[Volos]

Well that brought the conversation to a screeching halt

 

[Kira Faye]

Wow, that was cool, I never read it like that, the devil didn't lie! though he knew if they did they would be sinning and he tried to pull them to sinning.....in the christian way of thinking.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

Well that brought the conversation to a screeching halt

Insiderz tip: Most people aren't here to waste time.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

Wow, that was cool, I never read it like that, the devil didn't lie! though he knew if they did they would be sinning and he tried to pull them to sinning.....in the christian way of thinking.

He didn't? Then why isn't Eve here to testify to that?

 

[SquareC]

Ah, but you can't deny that according to that passage, God lied to Adam and Eve?

 

[Blissman]

Hello, Whitehorse, Square C, et. al., it is a pleasure to see you again. I do not see that God had lied by warning Adam and Eve not to know of good and evil. Knowlege of good and evil itself is not man's downfall, rather it is the lack wisdom in man to know what to and not to do with this knowlege which is man's downfall. God has this wisdom, for God is all knowing, whereas man know of it, but acts as if he were as God. Man will always fail as long as we remain imperfect. We see this problem today, man had learned how to build a nuclear bomb. Scientifically, it was a magnificant acheivement, to know the awe of God's hand, that matter, energy, the universe and man are one. Man does not have as much wisdom as we have knowlege. We have built death and had killed. What could have been a flower of the mind is today our master of fear for our lives.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

Bliss, welcome back! Of course God didn't lie. He can't! It's not in His character. The point about Eve is, she isn't here to testify, because God said if she ate the fruit she'd die. ANd, guess what-she died. That's why she isn't here to discuss it. Disobedience leads to death.

 

[katherinethegreat]

i can't believe this is still going on! this is really sad i thougt we killed this long ago!
this is stupid give up now!

 

[Smilin]

Smilin',

Do you really live in Antarctica.

Hmmmmm. (Thinking somemore about it).

Nah.

lol...no...
and I guess you think I'm a ninety something angry little duck too...

 

[Smilin]

i can't believe this is still going on! this is really sad i thougt we killed this long ago!
this is stupid give up now!

It resurrects itself every seven days... a holy number in many cultures
and religions (including Christianity)

The thread that cannot die....

 

[Volos]

He didn't? Then why isn't Eve here to testify to that?

Well it is difficult for mythical figures to be anywhere in the real world.

 

[SquareC]

It resurrects itself every seven days... a holy number in many cultures
and religions (including Christianity)

The thread that cannot die....

It is, it is....the eternal thread. Endlessly we debate if we are moral creatures and the debate proves the thing.......

 

[Blissman]

It is, it is....the eternal thread. Endlessly we debate if we are moral creatures and the debate proves the thing.......

Uh Oh. A Wiccan has used the term 'moral'. What next, morals?

 

[Rae]

This is the thread that would not end,
It just goes on and on, my friend.

(sing with me!)

 

[SquareC]

Uh Oh. A Wiccan has used the term 'moral'. What next, morals?

I know, it's a cryin' shame, eh?



Rae, I'm singing! I can't hear you!

 

[Blissman]

If a Wiccan were to marry a Christian, who would perform the ceremony?

 

[ezikeeill]

i think that it actually depeneds on which moral system you use - which life style approach this question from - i mean approaching from a wiccan point of view would be pointless, of course its moral. But approaching from a christian point of view would give the opposite effect...

Its all ditated by what you consider the truth.

gb all,

ezi...

 

[Rae]

If a Wiccan were to marry a Christian, who would perform the ceremony?

Who WOULD depends on what they wanted for their ceremony and who was invited. If you're asking who COULD, though, there are many tolerant denominations and people who would be glad to perform their ceremonies. My husband and I got a retired judge to officiate at our marriage ceremony. Unitarian Universalists would have no problem performing a ceremony for different faiths.

 

[SquareC]

If a Wiccan were to marry a Christian, who would perform the ceremony?

My husband and I were married in a Christian church. This was for our families' sakes, we would have just as soon had a Civil ceremony.