Is being Wiccan moral?

[HomeBound]

Well, any genuine Wiccan will not do curses.....according to the Threefold Law, which the majority of Wiccans espouse, any curse cast upon someone else will rebound upon the caster threefold times (any wrong done another, for that matter, not just curses) so I, personally, would not consider someone who curses another to be a TRUE Wiccan. But this is by the same token that I would not consider someone who announces to the world that they are Christian, and yet follows none of the teachings of Christ, to be a TRUE Christian. Did this answer your question? I have no objections to answering honest questions, and am never offended by them. Feel free to email, PM or post any other questions you may have, I am happy to answer, although I am not the only Wiccan around, and some believe other than I do, after 17 years, I am pretty knowledgable on the subject!

Is there a spell to counter the Threefold law?

 

[Havoc]

Is there a spell to counter the Threefold law?

Is there a prayer to counter God?

 

[Kira Faye]

I want to get pedantic here just for a sec, but where in iota does it say anythign about wiccans, I think it woudl be impossible to be mentioned, seeign they only came about in the last 50 yrs yeah yeah dont get technical with me, I'm just pulling the trick of being pedantic about exact wording... Strange isn't it? How u can twists words to suit whatever u want....... so as mentioned before scirptures mean nothigbn to us. To me it is a story 'based' on a true event. Like the movie titanic, now we all could agree a big ship sank and thats about one of the only true things about the rest of the movie..... anyone gettign my drift, so yeah don't qoute stories!

 

[Sola Scriptura]

Kira,



“so as mentioned before scirptures mean nothigbn to us. To me it is a story 'based' on a true event.”



When you say us are you speaking for all wiccans? Yet I can agree with you that scripture carries little weight with the unregenerate. Yet it carries enormous weight as well. Many non-believers have set up shop at this christian chat complex in order to:



1: dispell viable christianity (Christinaity is flawed, imperialistic, and a revision)

2. be near the deep hope and life that effects millions

3. witness its incredible efficacy on humanity

4. and think on Its epic cosmology



Also you cannot seem to shake the truth of what you all know about God revealed in nature and human intuition from your hearts. You know that He is, that He is just, righteous, and powerful, the judge of us all and that you are crafted in His image. You are His handiwork. Molded and sculpted beautifully. Yet sadly many will kick up dust, huff and puff and throw down this plea this truth because a rivalry between the creature and God is ongoing. Yet, only the Holy Spirit can bring an proud heart to an affectionate and delighted embrace of the truth and the Master of Destiny as revealed in the Old and New Testaments. And whole cultures and empires have attacked this special revelation in order to secure their own power and privledge and continue to use mankind as a mere resource. The truth is living, powerful, and sharper than a two edged sword though you cannot understand it in your condition. You were designed for worship but have fallen away into idolatry and self-love. Yet the natural inborn knowledge of God affirmed by reality all around you still needs a terminus, an object. So being fallen, and self loving you pursue religious delusions that grant you what you desire and continue in life angered at the truth which continues to merge with the natural knowledge of God in your suppressing hearts and minds. You cannot know Him personally, you cannot love Him; you will not as long as you remain in this condition. This world closes in on us fast, our time is short, the day of our meeting draws ever closer, and we are undone, unwashed, unclothed in His righteous, unrestored to our true family, unholy. Yet as long as there is breath seek the Lord while He may be found call on Him. Let the wicked forsake His way and the unrighteous man his thoughts. Fix your eyes on Jesus the author and finisher of the faith. Worship Him.

 

[Rae]

Thanks, Kira, but I doubt it will help. Some Christians see the Bible as a magical thing, that if they quote it, it'll somehow make us Pagans quiver in fear and start crying for Jesus. The fact that it won't doesn't shake their belief.

 

[Havoc]

Kira,



“so as mentioned before scirptures mean nothigbn to us. To me it is a story 'based' on a true event.”



When you say us are you speaking for all wiccans? Yet I can agree with you that scripture carries little weight with the unregenerate. Yet it carries enormous weight as well. Many non-believers have set up shop at this christian chat complex in order to:



1: dispell viable christianity (Christinaity is flawed, imperialistic, and a revision)

2. be near the deep hope and life that effects millions

3. witness its incredible efficacy on humanity

4. and think on Its epic cosmology



Also you cannot seem to shake the truth of what you all know about God revealed in nature and human intuition from your hearts. You know that He is, that He is just, righteous, and powerful, the judge of us all and that you are crafted in His image. You are His handiwork. Molded and sculpted beautifully. Yet sadly many will kick up dust, huff and puff and throw down this plea this truth because a rivalry between the creature and God is ongoing. Yet, only the Holy Spirit can bring an proud heart to an affectionate and delighted embrace of the truth and the Master of Destiny as revealed in the Old and New Testaments. And whole cultures and empires have attacked this special revelation in order to secure their own power and privledge and continue to use mankind as a mere resource. The truth is living, powerful, and sharper than a two edged sword though you cannot understand it in your condition. You were designed for worship but have fallen away into idolatry and self-love. Yet the natural inborn knowledge of God affirmed by reality all around you still needs a terminus, an object. So being fallen, and self loving you pursue religious delusions that grant you what you desire and continue in life angered at the truth which continues to merge with the natural knowledge of God in your suppressing hearts and minds. You cannot know Him personally, you cannot love Him; you will not as long as you remain in this condition. This world closes in on us fast, our time is short, the day of our meeting draws ever closer, and we are undone, unwashed, unclothed in His righteous, unrestored to our true family, unholy. Yet as long as there is breath seek the Lord while He may be found call on Him. Let the wicked forsake His way and the unrighteous man his thoughts. Fix your eyes on Jesus the author and finisher of the faith. Worship Him.

ROFLMAO

So now you're a psychic and a telepath as well as being God's personal mouthpiece Sola? How else could you possibly know what I think and feel even better than myself? LOL

I thought telepathy was part of the at "occult" thing you folks hate so much.

P.S.
Can you substantiate any of these wild claims with objective evidence? No? Not even a little? Nada? Alrighty then.

 

[transientlife]

Thanks, Kira, but I doubt it will help. Some Christians see the Bible as a magical thing, that if they quote it, it'll somehow make us Pagans quiver in fear and start crying for Jesus. The fact that it won't doesn't shake their belief.

I think you bring up a great point, Rae. Quoting Bible verses to a Wiccan or any other nonChristian has little/no effect unless that person is seeking something out of it, you know? A Muslim quoting the Koran to a Christian or a Buddhist quoting the Dhammapada to a Christian would have about as much effect. What I don't understand is why try to coerce someone into Christianity (or any other religion for that matter) when it isn't in their hearts? It's my understanding God gave us free will so we could choose...so why "pretend" to believe when it's not sincere in your heart (something God would see plain as day anyway). I would think God would rather you sincerely believe than just pretend for sake of appearances and making other people happy. Of course this is from my Christian perspective, but I'm not gonna throw a bunch of scripture around to convert you.

Many inter-faith blessings!

 

[Rae]

Thanks, transient. Here, have an extra thousand.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

Sola Scriptura, it is a fine thing indeed to see another Christian posting on this thread. Welcome to Christian Forums.

Blessings,
Whitehorse

 

[Volos]

Originally posted by : Sola Scriptura

When you say us are you speaking for all wiccans? Yet I can agree with you that scripture carries little weight with the unregenerate.

Unregenerate – I had to go get the dictionary for this one. If you mean to say that Wiccan’s Pagas and our kin have not been “bring, lead, or force to abandon a wrong or evil course of life, conduct, and adopt a right one” or “reformed spiritually or morally” then I would suggest that you spend a little time and actually learn something about our religion.

Yet it carries enormous weight as well. Many non-believers have set up shop at this christian chat complex in order to:

1: dispell viable christianity (Christinaity is flawed, imperialistic, and a revision)

2. be near the deep hope and life that effects millions

3. witness its incredible efficacy on humanity

4. and think on Its epic cosmology

Again, you might actually wish to learn a little something other people’s religion before you make bizarre and unsupportable claims such as these.

Also you cannot seem to shake the truth of what you all know about God revealed in nature and human intuition from your hearts.

Pagans generally find and are joyfully touched by the Divine as it is reveled in nature.

You know that He is, that He is just, righteous, and powerful, the judge of us all and that you are crafted in His image.

We do?



Really?



First off the obsession with judgment and sin are not part of the Pagan religions. Sin and its subsequent judgment are part of your religions beliefs, not mine. Sin is, to Pagan’s an absurd and impossible concept much like a round cube.



Sin in the lower case sense or the disregard for a set of moral rules supposedly divinely inspired is an impossibility among Pagans because our ethics are contextual and not authoritarian in nature. We have no set of rules or moral codes so it is impossible to break any such codes.

SIN in the upper case sense or the willful refusal to live in something other than complete dependence on the Divine is similarly ridiculous in our religion. Given our panenthesitic worldview such separation from the divine is impossible and truthfully it is difficult to understand how anyone could believe that it is even conceivable.

As for our form…well evolution has shaped us as we are, nothing more.

You are His handiwork. Molded and sculpted beautifully. Yet sadly many will kick up dust, huff and puff and throw down this plea this truth because a rivalry between the creature and God is ongoing.

See above.

Yet, only the Holy Spirit can bring an proud heart to an affectionate and delighted embrace of the truth and the Master of Destiny as revealed in the Old and New Testaments. And whole cultures and empires have attacked this special revelation in order to secure their own power and privledge and continue to use mankind as a mere resource. The truth is living, powerful, and sharper than a two edged sword though you cannot understand it in your condition.

Ahhh…the old line again.



Tell me why do you believe only you and members of your particular cult/sect have or can have a personal relationship with the Divine? Why do you believe that you personally are so special but no one else could possibly be?

You were designed for worship but have fallen away into idolatry and self-love.

Interesting accusations.



You accuse others of idolatry but worship a book



You accuse others of self love but declare yourself special.

Yet the natural inborn knowledge of God affirmed by reality all around you still needs a terminus, an object.

The natural inborn knowledge of the Goddess as she is revealed in nature and within the human heart does not accomplish this?

So being fallen, and self loving you pursue religious delusions that grant you what you desire and continue in life angered at the truth which continues to merge with the natural knowledge of God in your suppressing hearts and minds.

Another interesting accusation, tell me how do you know you personally do not follow a “religious delusion” and you are not just following what you desire?

You cannot know Him personally, you cannot love Him; you will not as long as you remain in this condition.

how do you know this.

This world closes in on us fast, our time is short, the day of our meeting draws ever closer, and we are undone, unwashed, unclothed in His righteous, unrestored to our true family, unholy. Yet as long as there is breath seek the Lord while He may be found call on Him. Let the wicked forsake His way and the unrighteous man his thoughts. Fix your eyes on Jesus the author and finisher of the faith. Worship Him.

I have seen this post so many times in so many forms here. Your post here is ultimately one of ego gratification. Your fear prompts you to promote and inflate your own ego pretending a special relationship with the Divine that any who do not believe exactly as you demand are forever denied. You stroke your own ego and give gratification to yourself by declaring any who do not believe as you do as wretched and unworthy. However when confronted with the fact that we are not wretched or unworthy or any of the other things you project on us you declare us angry and resentful and throw accusations at us in an attempt to glorify yourself. You rail against the fact that people of other religions find the peace and harmony in their religion that you wish to exclude them from and it terrifies you and to protect your ego you lash out at any that do not follow you. The prospect that everyone has what you feel makes you special threatens you. I have seen this same thing from dozens of others here and heard it in many forms in person. Your words do not impress, they simply make others pity you.



I will pray that someday you realize that spirituality is about a personal relationship with the Divine in his/Her many forms and not in gratifying the self or subjugating those who believe differently.

 

[ACougar]

Thanks ACougar. You got my point, you just abbreviated it.

I wish we could all get that point. Instead of my religion is better than your religion nanee nanee boo boo, we could grow in understanding.

 

[transientlife]

Mine's better than yoooouuuurrrsss neener neener neener You heathen!

 

[HomeBound]

Is there a prayer to counter God?

Is that a way of comparing the two? if so then, no.

Is that a rude way of answering a simple question? if so then, ewww

Otherwise, answer please.

 

[ACougar]

Actually a better response would have been: Is there a prayer to counter the golden rule?

The rule of three reflects the idea that on a spiritual level all life is interconected, that anything I do to you I am doing to you (a part of me) and to myself on a spiritual level. There is no way to get around this. There is also the matter of every action creates an equal and opposite reaction on a magical/physical/karmic level. This can sometimes be manipulated to some extent, however eventually balance will be achieved.

Is that a way of comparing the two? if so then, no.

Is that a rude way of answering a simple question? if so then, ewww

Otherwise, answer please.

 

[Sola Scriptura]

transientlife

Quote:

Originally Posted by: Rae

Thanks, Kira, but I doubt it will help. Some Christians see the Bible as a magical thing, that if they quote it, it'll somehow make us Pagans quiver in fear and start crying for Jesus. The fact that it won't doesn't shake their belief.

"I think you bring up a great point, Rae. Quoting Bible verses to a Wiccan or any other nonChristian has little/no effect unless that person is seeking something out of it, you know? A Muslim quoting the Koran to a Christian or a Buddhist quoting the Dhammapada to a Christian would have about as much effect. What I don't understand is why try to coerce someone into Christianity (or any other religion for that matter) when it isn't in their hearts? It's my understanding God gave us free will so we could choose...so why "pretend" to believe when it's not sincere in your heart (something God would see plain as day anyway). I would think God would rather you sincerely believe than just pretend for sake of appearances and making other people happy. Of course this is from my Christian perspective, but I'm not gonna throw a bunch of scripture around to convert you.

Many inter-faith blessings!

__________________​

I don't pretend to have all the answers. I don't pretend to even know what the questions are. Hey, where am I? - Jack Handey
***

Matthew 7:1-6,12"​

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Does anyone find it odd that transientlife quotes a scripture verse after this post? LOL​

 

[Sola Scriptura]

Sola Scriptura, it is a fine thing indeed to see another Christian posting on this thread. Welcome to Christian Forums.

Blessings,
Whitehorse

Ah! Whitehorse gracious and welcoming; faithful and true. The wisdom that rises in this place like the warmth of the sun in full strength. Greetings

 

[Havoc]

Is that a way of comparing the two? if so then, no.

Is that a rude way of answering a simple question? if so then, ewww

Otherwise, answer please.

The notion that there is a spell to counter the Law of Return is as ludicrous to us as the notion of a prayer to counter God would be to you.

 

[transientlife]

So what's your point? I quote that scripture in my signature only because it's one of my personal favorites. I don't quote it in attempt to to prove some opinion of mine as a fact or attempt to convince a nonbeliever of some idea. And if you look, that signature is on all my posts...responses to Christians like yourself, and to Pagans, like Rae. But it is not directed toward anyone, Pagan, Christian or otherwise. If I would use any of my signature in a post, it'd be the Jack Handey one.
I very rarely quote scripture in posts because they are already ubiquitous and most people don't really pay attention to them, but either retreat to their bibles and throw some more in as a rebuttal, or just overlook them and look for the poster's comments, or in some cases, just stop reading altogether. Yeah, yeah, go ahead and say "Oh the nerve of quoting the bible on a Xn forum!" blah blah blah but suffice it to say it's not much of a debate if you throw out scriptures like a robot and don't process them in the brain God gave ya to form a fuller, perhaps more convincing arguement. Anyone can quote scripture -- Atheists and Pagans, even! haha. I come here to appreciate new viewpoints and debate topics, I don't come here to read scripture after scripture. If I wanted to do that, I would just go read my Bible.

Blessings, Sola

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

I don't quote it in attempt to to prove some opinion of mine as a fact or attempt to convince a nonbeliever of some idea.

So, do you believe the Bible is the word of God? Because if it is, then how is that a personal opinion? The only other logical conclusion one could make from this statement, is that God has..."opinions." That is a mighty high opinion of man, and a mightly low opinion of the Creator of Endless Universes.

Anyone can quote scripture -- Atheists and Pagans, even!

So which is the case here?

I come here to appreciate new viewpoints and debate topics, I don't come here to read scripture after scripture. If I wanted to do that, I would just go read my Bible.

Now there's an idea...

Ah! Whitehorse gracious and welcoming; faithful and true. The wisdom that rises in this place like the warmth of the sun in full strength. Greetings

Sola Scriptura, will you marry me?

 

[transientlife]

I'm not an atheist, obviously, nor am I a Pagan...I think that's quite obvious. But I don't flaunt scripture around in order to change other people's minds. Though if you think allowing people to exercise their God-given free will is pagan like, and respecting their choices, then maybe I am.