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As it turns out, my minister today actually quoted some honking big Dictionary o' Theology that said something like: no core concept of Christianity has such a divergence of beliefs/definitions [as "salvation"].
I'm still subscribed and checking in from time to time, Gonna be pretty busy over the next few days but will be online here and there.So, SS: are you still here? (Your last post suggested you were done with this ****, and fair enough.) I'd like to ask some questions of you (with honest intent, unlike some others). Are you still reading this thread, or should I start another? What about you, KCDAD?.
Jesus was talking about the garbage dump! It was a figure of speech, like "the boogie man" or "cold as hell".
It was supposed to be a parody of your nonsense.... you are the one condemning them to hell... not me.
How come so many Christians have two hands?Let's see what Jesus was talking about:
"If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire" ( Mark 9:43 )
So hell is the unquenchable fire.
I don't see where Jesus said that hell is the garbage dump. If you think He said that, then I would like to see where He said that.
Thank you in advance.
YAQUBOS
Didn't you say baptism was necessary for salvation? Salvation from what?Please, show us where I ever condemned babies to hell?
I insist on babies, although I never condemned ANYONE to hell. But I insist on them, because we are talking about them, and it seems that you mean that I believe babies are condemned to hell by God.
So please show us where I said that babies are condemned to hell.
YAQUBOS
So if I do the right thing... if I never hurt anyone or do anything wrong...if I obey ALL the law... I will still be condemned because my attitude isn't right?
AND if I have the very best attitude toward God and others, but I kill people with my lousy driving and spread sickness when I have the flu and cause people to get sick and die (even though I am trying to help them) I am still gonna get condemned and go to hell.
Wow. You got a really tough God to figure out.
Do you really think Genesis was written in Greek?
Hey SS... do yo have the source that shows aionian being used to describe specific periods of time? (The Bronze Age, The Dark Age, The Age of Man... that kind of thing?)
OK, back after a bit of RL. Which, as it turns out, was a useful break. Useful because it helped me realize that I was wasting far too much mental energy trying to converse intelligently with someone not interested in doing so.
So, I'm not going to bother any more. Yaqubos, I wish I didn't have to say this, but you're a joke. Either you are just winding the rest of us up, in which case you're a troll and I'm not going to feed you any more, or you actually believe your own gibberish, in which case you are apparently incapable of any kind of logical and rational argument.
In fact, you have even admitted that you can't/won't argue with logic which is why you resort to tedious preaching (direct quote: "If you will repent, it is by hearing the message preached, not by human wisdom"). And if you truly believe what you say, I should just mention that God's going to be really annoyed -- having started off fairly agnostic on this point, I'm now convinced, thanks to you, that baptism *isn't* necessary. Nice going.
Yaqubos, I'm done with you. I've clearly stated your logical fallacies, but you haven't addressed a single one (you've repeated your tired arguments and dogma, but haven't actually fought logic with logic). You've quoted the Bible without context,
picking on a word or two here and there, but then suddenly bleated about context when someone else does it. And your "context" regarding why God didn't destroy the animals in the flood is that Noah (aka a human) found favor with God -- IOW, you've resorted to out-and-out non-sequiturs, absurdities and falsehoods to cling desperately to your views, even when you can't defend them logically. I'm done with this.
No doubt you will continue to bleat on. You will probably claim victory and call me a coward. Go ahead. I care more about the price of cabbages in Suriname than anything you have to say now. Continue defaming me and speculating about my family -- I've now realized that I don't actually give a monkey's.
As the saying goes, discussing anything with Yaqubos is like playing chess with a pigeon: no matter how well you plan and execute your strategy, the pigeon will just knock over the pieces, cr*p on the board, and fly off claiming victory.
So, SS: are you still here? (Your last post suggested you were done with this ****, and fair enough.) I'd like to ask some questions of you (with honest intent, unlike some others). Are you still reading this thread, or should I start another? What about you, KCDAD?
As it turns out, my minister today actually quoted some honking big Dictionary o' Theology that said something like: no core concept of Christianity has such a divergence of beliefs/definitions [as "salvation"].
I am not surprised... I can't two Christians to agree on what sin is.
How come so many Christians have two hands?
Didn't you say baptism was necessary for salvation? Salvation from what?
Do you read what you type?Because their hands are not what can stumble them. It is their fleshly hands that can. I am surprised that you can't see how all real Christians do not have hands and feet. They are TOTALLY dead. They are born of God, new creatures, with new hands and feet.
YAQUBOS
I'm still subscribed and checking in from time to time, Gonna be pretty busy over the next few days but will be online here and there.
Dont mind me....just my 3 month check up on the Hatfield-McCoys....looool
And that is?
Do you read what you type?
Does it make sense to you even after you read it?
"In June 2007, the Gallup Poll reported that eighty six percent of Americans believe in God, and that sixty nine percent believe in hell. Dr. Morriston will argue that if you believe in God, you probably should not believe in hell -- at least not if you think that God is very good and hell is a very bad place to be. Along the way, he'll be taking a critical look at one popular attempt to explain why a just and loving God would allow many people to spend eternity in hell -- an application of the so-called free will defense to the special case of hell."
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