I ran across a post on some christian blog that said it was. But my pastor (from a baptist church) said it wasn't. Just curious on what you guys think...
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is Baptism necessary for Salvation?
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Baptism is not essential to salvation, but it is important to openly take a stand with the truth of the Redeemer --the Lord Jesus, the Christ of God. It will bestow the mercies of God to one in this life to turn from the world and its disdain for Jesus, and will bring one under the umbrella of God's care until one receives the Lord Jesus into their heart, and is "born again" by the Holy Spirit. It is much the same as circumcision in the Old Testament. One can study this truth further at the BibleCounsel site.
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Just as 1watcher said, no, this has nothing to do with being saved and who ever it was that wrote that post is certainly wrong. The one thing we learn in serious Bible study is that salvation has nothing to do with works until one is saved. (James and Titus) The only thing I did to get saved was to believe and repent of my sins. When anyone repents, truly repents, they begin to follow Jesus and if we follow Jesus the Holy Spirit that, then, lives in us leads us into works that suit and glorify Jesus.
Remember the first rule of Hermeneutics, "No passage nor any group of passages can be understood without the light of all scripture shinning on it or them." Folks that teach these Heresies do so by isolating a scripture or set of scriptures from the light of all other scripture and in direct violation of God's Word, use it or the grouping for Proof Text. The single hardest thing to teach people is the truth that from, "In the beginning..." through the very last "Amen" of The Revelation of Jesus, chapter 22, there is one continuous context, all of it, the message of the salvation of man.
God bless my friend.
Remember the first rule of Hermeneutics, "No passage nor any group of passages can be understood without the light of all scripture shinning on it or them." Folks that teach these Heresies do so by isolating a scripture or set of scriptures from the light of all other scripture and in direct violation of God's Word, use it or the grouping for Proof Text. The single hardest thing to teach people is the truth that from, "In the beginning..." through the very last "Amen" of The Revelation of Jesus, chapter 22, there is one continuous context, all of it, the message of the salvation of man.
God bless my friend.
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justlookinla
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Nope it's not. We aren't redeemed by the water of the Lamb nor is our Father the water. We are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb and we're children of God by the Spirit of God who is our Father.
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No, it is not. If someone argues that it is, they are taking salvation away from Jesus Christ and putting in the hands of another person. Any arguments for it being necessary are weak and can be put down quickly.
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No, Baptism is not necessary for salvation, but all believers should be baptized as a sign of obedience. In addition, baptism is a powerful public testimony of a person's dedication to Christ.
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Bella Vita
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No it's not needed for salvation it is however a public declaration of your faith and accountability to the faith. Baptism is more for man than it is for God. Jesus did it so we are called to follow in his example and foot steps so we do. But if someone dies before they can be baptized but has excepted Christ I in no way think they would be kept from heaven because of that.
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Putting water on yourself is a symbol, not a requirement for salvation. People who say otherwise do not base their opinion on the Bible, but on an elitist tradition that some Christians have adopted to attempt to exclude other people.
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SavedByGraceThruFaith
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Water baptism is not needed for salvation nor does it save.
However once a person has been saved forever by grace through faith alone in the risen Lord Jesus Christ, God Almighty in the flesh, and His shed blood as the complete, finished and only payment for all our sins, then they should be water baptized by immersion.
However once a person has been saved forever by grace through faith alone in the risen Lord Jesus Christ, God Almighty in the flesh, and His shed blood as the complete, finished and only payment for all our sins, then they should be water baptized by immersion.
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It is good to be, for Obediance.The thief on the Cross was not Baptized.
Luke 23:42-43
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Luke 23:42-43
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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some people think he was immersed some time before he was arrested. it makes sense, as up to that time at least, only those people who repented and were immersed accepted the Messiah and His Message of Good News. the people who were not immersed did not accept Him.
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pilgrim42
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I don't think baptism is necessary for salvation. If that were the case then there won't be any Quakers or Salvation Army folks in heaven.
What is necessary is obedience. The two things that the Lord said that a person must do to be saved was to believe on Him, and to follow him in obedience. Now if baptism is something that He wants us to do and we aren't walking with the Lord in obedience..... well, you can figure it out
Ken
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yeshuaslavejeff
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the flesh, the world, even many religion resists and refuses immersion in Jesus' Name.
the spirit, the truth, the life, the seeker of God gladly rejoices in immersion in Jesus' Name.
the spirit, the truth, the life, the seeker of God gladly rejoices in immersion in Jesus' Name.
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I recall reading in I think Leviticus that for a man to be sanctified before God he must bathe in water on the third day and on the seventh day. The third day was prophetic of the water baptism of John and the seventh day of the baptism of the Holy Ghost. It was also written that if a man bathed on the seventh day but not on the third he was yet unclean in the eyes of God. Personally I think Baptism is necessary as even Jesus had himself baptized and ordered his disciples to go forth and baptize in the name of the Father Son and Holy ghost. He also said He who believes and is baptized shall be saved.
Our Lord willingly allowed Himself to be beaten, spit on, mocked, scourged, and crucified for our sakes even though He was guilty o nothing. Now all He asked in return is that we dip ourselves in water. Is this an unreasonable request?
Our Lord willingly allowed Himself to be beaten, spit on, mocked, scourged, and crucified for our sakes even though He was guilty o nothing. Now all He asked in return is that we dip ourselves in water. Is this an unreasonable request?
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Good morning,
Well, this is my first post here... so, hello to everyone.
In regards to the subject of whether or not baptism is necessary for salvation.
It's certainly not surprising that you would run across teachings that assert baptism to be necessary for salvation, as the majority of sects understand baptism as a sacrament (grace is conveyed through the rite/ritual); most of these sects (all but the most hard line) would also make certain exceptions for unusual circumstances in which their sacrament would not be essential. For biblical support, those who believe baptism is a sacrament or teach baptism in such a way as to be closely related to a sacrament would point to certain passages including the following (Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, 22:16, I Peter 3:20-21).
One thing that I think is interesting to make note of, is the relation between the Jewish concept behind proselyte baptism and re-birth, and the evolution (in my opinion) of the "Christian" concept of a sacrament. From what I have gathered in studying the rite of baptism (in scripture), and the practice of it, especially as it would have pertained to gentiles being evangelized, it could quickly be related to the traditional Jewish thought; unfortunately, especially with the way that the Jewish leadership was persecuting the early church (Example: Acts 4:18,21, 5:17-18, 27-28, 33, 40, 6:9-14) and associated with the death of Jesus, the Jewish roots of the rite could have quickly become lost and consequently many passages of scripture mis-interpreted through the disdain and fear of both Jewish and gentile converts alike to anything related to Jewish thought, religion, or tradition... The fact is though, the Jewish tradition had already taught a re-birth of sorts that was associated with baptism, and that association is certainly tied (erroneously in my opinion) by many sects with the rite of baptism in order for it to be classified as conveying grace. According to the scholar Alfred Edersheim, the proselyte baptism as practiced by Jewish people did indeed carry a sense of regeneration, but not in the sacramental sense that someone was born from above, but rather in the sense that the person now had a new relationship towards God, Israel and to the former and present life. This is, and should be... similar to the meaning behind our own (as Baptists) celebration of the ordinance within our local assemblies; and is the reason why most Baptists insist on waiting for a person to make a confession of faith, and intent to remain obedient, before performing the ordinance. It's a separation from an old life that is being celebrated and symbolically pictured, as well as an identification with Jesus the Messiah that the person submits to in the ordinance. In this symbolic picture, the person is indeed being saved from a former life in which they were alienated from the Spiritual blessings of the community of the church, with Christ as the Head...
The ordinance would have been especially significant to the early church... in that an identification with Jesus as Messiah would/could/should have alienated them from their community, and most likely (in many cases) opened them up for persecution; this is witnessed by the many epistles that stress perseverance in the faith.
Kind regards,
Dave
Well, this is my first post here... so, hello to everyone.
In regards to the subject of whether or not baptism is necessary for salvation.
It's certainly not surprising that you would run across teachings that assert baptism to be necessary for salvation, as the majority of sects understand baptism as a sacrament (grace is conveyed through the rite/ritual); most of these sects (all but the most hard line) would also make certain exceptions for unusual circumstances in which their sacrament would not be essential. For biblical support, those who believe baptism is a sacrament or teach baptism in such a way as to be closely related to a sacrament would point to certain passages including the following (Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, 22:16, I Peter 3:20-21).
One thing that I think is interesting to make note of, is the relation between the Jewish concept behind proselyte baptism and re-birth, and the evolution (in my opinion) of the "Christian" concept of a sacrament. From what I have gathered in studying the rite of baptism (in scripture), and the practice of it, especially as it would have pertained to gentiles being evangelized, it could quickly be related to the traditional Jewish thought; unfortunately, especially with the way that the Jewish leadership was persecuting the early church (Example: Acts 4:18,21, 5:17-18, 27-28, 33, 40, 6:9-14) and associated with the death of Jesus, the Jewish roots of the rite could have quickly become lost and consequently many passages of scripture mis-interpreted through the disdain and fear of both Jewish and gentile converts alike to anything related to Jewish thought, religion, or tradition... The fact is though, the Jewish tradition had already taught a re-birth of sorts that was associated with baptism, and that association is certainly tied (erroneously in my opinion) by many sects with the rite of baptism in order for it to be classified as conveying grace. According to the scholar Alfred Edersheim, the proselyte baptism as practiced by Jewish people did indeed carry a sense of regeneration, but not in the sacramental sense that someone was born from above, but rather in the sense that the person now had a new relationship towards God, Israel and to the former and present life. This is, and should be... similar to the meaning behind our own (as Baptists) celebration of the ordinance within our local assemblies; and is the reason why most Baptists insist on waiting for a person to make a confession of faith, and intent to remain obedient, before performing the ordinance. It's a separation from an old life that is being celebrated and symbolically pictured, as well as an identification with Jesus the Messiah that the person submits to in the ordinance. In this symbolic picture, the person is indeed being saved from a former life in which they were alienated from the Spiritual blessings of the community of the church, with Christ as the Head...
The ordinance would have been especially significant to the early church... in that an identification with Jesus as Messiah would/could/should have alienated them from their community, and most likely (in many cases) opened them up for persecution; this is witnessed by the many epistles that stress perseverance in the faith.
Kind regards,
Dave
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Maybe you should provide the passages you're referring to from Leviticus... If you need help, I could oblige... as I'm sure I know what you're speaking of.
Kind regards,
Dave
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