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... and there is nothing suspicious which happened around 4,400 years ago.
Huh? Slang or gang talk for "METH" user ?I agree.
There's nothing suspicious which happened around 4,400 years ago.
I believe the population as a whole knew exactly what was happening.
Do you know what the name METHUSELAH means?
You think we are lying?Can anyone find a truthful science source that explains this correctly ?
No.You think we are lying?
I don't have a negative opinion of myselfThis is between you and Paul. You are going to have to talk with him if you do not understand what he said. I do not consider anyone anything other than good, because God created us and God is good. If you have a negative opinion of yourself, then you should work on that. Because we should always have a positive attitude. Paul would tell you that God is good, He created us to be good and that is what we should be. Or recognize that we are. If people do not have the mind of Christ, then there are going to be things they do not understand.
Huh? Slang or gang talk for "METH" user ?
/s/h/smile
That's how I look at preachers.No.
At least not on purpose.
BUt if I , or anyone, starts with a false premise , then anything from that point on building on false premise is false, no matter a persons heart or motives or honesty at all.
You think we are lying?
The false premise in all this is that there was a flood.
It happened. Let me see a map of the fall line...okay, I think they're close to the fall line, but to the north of it. As a rule of thumb, you have sedimentary rocks on the surface south of the fall line in the US due to, well, it being filled up with sediments. North of the fall line you have non-sedimentary rocks close to the surface. So these boulders were where you'd expect to find non-sedimentary rocks, but they were isolated in one area. Plus, they had markings on them that were interpreted to be abrasions from being pushed along by a glacier. So the idea was that the boulders were carried there by a glacier, and when the glacier melted, there the boulders dropped.I kind of doubt the thing about
geologists thinking there were glacial
erratics in Georgia. That would be really
really stupid and sloppy.
Think what you wish. My only interest is previous observation that water can be on top of ice without ice floating to the top. If that doesn't agree with some notion...shrug.Seems like you've got a combo of trying too
hard and not trying hard enough.
Good that you get it that things need depth
of water in order to float.
But I think you you are trying too hard to
defend the indefensible, that being a story
that is readily disproved a thousand other
ways. Even your noted gappist knows all
data is wholly inconsistent with a flood-
but has God miracle all evidence of a
"Flood" to look as if it didn't happen.
It makes a kind of weird sense; proof of God
kind of eliminates a need for faith.
Your experiments to discover an Unknown
factor, an undiscovered power of ice adhesion,
I mean, seriously?
Glaciers are not even stuck down!
They move. You can see rock they slid over
in Central Park NYC and a million other
places.
It's basically a huge ice cube sitting there on the
ground, sliding downhill.
You are proposing that a certain size ice
loses buoyancy? Like it becomes more dense
than water? You do know that water / ice
is incompressible?
When chunks of glaciers break of into the water,
they float.
No "unknown factor" makes them sink.
You seem trying too hard to make the story float!
And not hard enough to see what would
happen. Engineers can figure stresses
or whether a battleship is too dense to float.
Do a little engineering. This is not ice
frozen into a bowl. Of course a little
water on top of that wont float it
Do a relevant experiment with a chunk of ice
a the ground, unconfined. Flood the area and see
ifn it floats.
I asked you to figure the buoyancy, the upward
force exceeding the weight, of ice five miles
thick.
It's going to be about 8% more than the weight
of the ice.
Try calculating the lift excerted on one square foot.
In the absence of any strange unknown factors
and the very well known physics involved, is there
any reasonable way to deny that ice floats?
No, she was saying that YECers generally have a poor understanding of science, and that science is irrelevant to their position, because they don't use a tool that have a poor understanding of.That's true.
In the above case, it was Estrid that said science was irrelevant.
And I agreed with her.
I've never seen a report of a miracle that was examined in a rigorous scientific manner and the conclusion from the scientists was, "Well, this is impossible, it can't be happening."You missed a keyword: Miracles. We have to go beyond what Science can do. Remember the women in the Bible that spent all her money and never found a cure? Until she found Jesus and He healed her and did not charge her. If Science had the cure and all the answers, we would have no need for Jesus and the Bible.
No, she was saying that YECers generally have a poor understanding of science, and that science is irrelevant to their position, because they don't use a tool that have a poor understanding of.
I've never seen a report of a miracle that was examined in a rigorous scientific manner and the conclusion from the scientists was, "Well, this is impossible, it can't be happening."
They play a part, they gather the evidence, both natural and artifacts. That does not give them the right to push their opinions on us. But we can not ignore the evidence because it comes from God. He wants us to know what He has done.Science played no part in the creation of the universe whatsoever.
They play a part, they gather the evidence, both natural and artifacts.
Kurt Patrick Wise has a degree from Harvard University in Evolution, yet he is still a YEC creationist.No, she was saying that YECers generally have a poor understanding of science, and that science is irrelevant to their position, because they don't use a tool that have a poor understanding of.
Perhaps Estrid had another reason? Yes, it would be a lot better, or so it seems , if the correct premise: "there was a flood", was realized.You're basing that on academic teachings, which have you to believe:
- The Egyptians existed at the time, as well as other post-diluvian civilizations.
- Continents existed at the time.
- Polar ice caps existed at the time.
- Et cetera existed at the time.
I'd like to remind the fundamentalists in this thread accusing posters of being liars or the science of ice core sampling being fraudulent without any supportive evidence is against forum rules.Lets look at the Antarctic ice sheet which flows due to plastic deformation under its own weight which would an ideal test case of water flowing over an ice covered continent.
Antarctic ice core samples can be analyzed using mass spectrometry for elements.
If there was a great flood, sea levels would rise which would inundate the ice sheet leaving a concentration of ions such as Na⁺, Cl⁻, SO²₄⁻, Mg²⁺, Ca²⁺ and K⁺ in a given layer of the core.
Not only is such a concentration not found but the ice core can also be dated by counting layers and there is nothing suspicious which happened around 4,400 years ago.
To continue the theme of how the science refutes the evidence of a global flood the presence of Na (sodium) has been found in ice core samples in the Taylor dome and Taldice sites in Antarctica.Threads started, or responses made, to simply disparage science will be considered off topic to the forum.
Furthermore as mentioned in my previous post there is nothing out of the ordinary of Na levels from 4,400 years ago from either site.The causes of the recent increase in Antarctic sea ice extent, characterised by large regional contrasts and decadal variations, remain unclear. In the Ross Sea, where such a sea ice increase is reported, 50% of the sea ice is produced within wind-sustained latent-heat polynyas. Combining information from marine diatom records and sea salt sodium and water isotope ice core records, we here document contrasting patterns in sea ice variations between coastal and open sea areas in Western Ross Sea over the current interglacial period. Since about 3600 years before present, an increase in the efficiency of regional latent-heat polynyas resulted in more coastal sea ice, while sea ice extent decreased overall. These past changes coincide with remarkable optima or minima in the abundances of penguins, silverfish and seal remains, confirming the high sensitivity of marine ecosystems to environmental and especially coastal sea ice conditions.
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