Is assurance of salvation possible?

[FreeGrace2]

It's clear that you're rejecting the truth and substituting it with your own.

Why not rather just deal with my explanation of John 10:28 and all the points, both the CAUSE and EFFECT of having eternal life.

Where did I go wrong on that verse? Can't you tell me?

 

[SeventyOne]

In direct defiance of “ without holiness shall no man see God” or “blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.” You think it doesn’t matter to God or man how badly you treat others.
There are believers here who did just that. And the theology supports this 100%.
Ah but you believe you have that Spirit no matter what sin you do.
What you do to others doesn’t matter to God.
License to sin over and over just knowing you’re forgiven before you lie or steal or cheat or worse. Doesn’t matter to OSASers.
Doesnt mean the person didn’t once have the Spirit, something you have to deny.

I do have the Spirit no matter what I do, and it is that Spirit that causes me to pursue a holy lifestyle. If you have the Spirit in you as well, you should know and understand exactly what I am talking about. That stuff is second nature.

Again, you make an accusation that OSAS people are just looking for a reason to sin. More slanderous lies. You better watch out. The boogieman might come and steal away your salvation as you sleep tonight.

 

[Invalidusername]

Is that all you've got to say about my explanation of John 10:28? Seriously? Of course I am correct. And my whole explanation IS correct. So please address all of what I said about the verse.


None of these verses/passages say clearly and in plain language that salvation can be lost. And "remaining to the end" or "enduring to the end" is found in Matt. And the context is the 7 year Tribulation.


Oh, gee. Well, if you had actually engaged my color coded explanation of John 10:28 rather than dismiss it as you did, maybe we could get along.

No listen I've never insulted you or your intelligence yet you treat me with a pompous attitude and "talk down" to me just as Dorothy did. Do you think I'm going to listen to anything you say when I do not see Christ in your posts?

 

[Invalidusername]

Why not rather just deal with my explanation of John 10:28 and all the points, both the CAUSE and EFFECT of having eternal life.

Where did I go wrong on that verse? Can't you tell me?

Just as you ignored my "if you continue to the end" I can ignore your silly ONE VERSE rebuttal. Your entire theology is based on that one verse taken out of context. Its ridiculous.

 

[Invalidusername]

I do have the Spirit no matter what I do, and it is that Spirit that causes me to pursue a holy lifestyle. If you have the Spirit in you as well, you should know and understand exactly what I am talking about. That stuff is second nature.

Again, you make an accusation that OSAS people are just looking for a reason to sin. More slanderous lies. You better watch out. The boogieman might come and steal away your salvation as you sleep tonight.

It's not easy to lose your salvation. It's not an accidental thing. It's gross disobedience and going against your new nature.

 

[SeventyOne]

Incorrect. Read scripture and try to understand it AS JESUS INTENDED IT TO BE UNDERSTOOD.

That's an extraordinarily prideful remark as the assumption is that those who disagree with you do not try to do so.

 

[SeventyOne]

It's not easy to lose your salvation. It's not an accidental thing. It's gross disobedience and going against your new nature.

Right. Works.

As I've said several times, the only real difference between you all are the timing and nature of those works. You've just given me your own personal definition of the supposed timing and nature.

 

[Invalidusername]

That's an extraordinarily prideful remark as the assumption is that those who disagree with you do not try to do so.

How the hell is that a prideful statement? You think attempting to understand scripture as Jesus intended it to be is prideful? Now that's just silly.

If anything that's the most humble thing you can do

 

[Invalidusername]

Right. Works.

As I've said several times, the only real difference between you all are the timing and nature of those works. You've just given me your own personal definition of the supposed timing and nature.

I've given a SCRIPTURAL definition.

Read Hebrews 10:26-31 and the come back to me

 

[Invalidusername]

Right. Works.

As I've said several times, the only real difference between you all are the timing and nature of those works. You've just given me your own personal definition of the supposed timing and nature.

Okay so since you're eternally secure are you willing to put that to the test? I have one way you can test your theory.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You actually think OSAS people don't love God and each other?

When did i say that?

That's not working for salvation, that's just the natural order of those who have His Spirit.

Do you know how God measures whether some ones him?

Do you love OSAS people?

I do.

And who on here is a works-salvationist, Everyone who is making the claim we have to do anything to maintain our salvation.

You love that salvation don’t you?

If you think you can lose it through any of your actions, you believe the false works-salvation gospel.

No, we believe the words of Jesus. And possessing salvation is all there for you, right?

Again, the only difference between all of you is the type and timing of those works.

You don’t understand our position.

 

[SeventyOne]

When did i say that?

Several places. Post 366 to start.

Do you know how God measures whether some ones him?

With a yardstick?

I do.

Then why do you make up lies about them?

You love that salvation don’t you?

What's not to love?

No, we believe the words of Jesus. And possessing salvation is all there for you, right?

The assumption there is that those who don't adhere to works-salvation don't believe the words of Jesus. That's the second time today I've seen this prideful boast on this thread. You people are on a roll.

You don’t understand our position.

I understand it more than you think. I don't think you'd actually thought your own position through if you don't recognize that you are striving to earn forgiveness. You'll never make it.

 

[FreeGrace2]

No listen I've never insulted you or your intelligence yet you treat me with a pompous attitude and "talk down" to me just as Dorothy did. Do you think I'm going to listen to anything you say when I do not see Christ in your posts?

Please point out any where I insulted you. I gave you a color coded explanation so that my points would be very clear, and you basically ignored it.

How is that not rude?

 

[FreeGrace2]

I asked:
"Why not rather just deal with my explanation of John 10:28 and all the points, both the CAUSE and EFFECT of having eternal life.

Where did I go wrong on that verse? Can't you tell me?"

Just as you ignored my "if you continue to the end" I can ignore your silly ONE VERSE rebuttal.

First, I didn't ignore your verse. I addressed it. You must have missed it. So go back and find the post.

Second, of course you can ignore anything you want to. But know this: everything that you dodge and ignore is just more evidence that you don't have answers and you can't defend your own position.

Your entire theology is based on that one verse taken out of context. Its ridiculous.

Hardly one verse. It's just that John 10:28 is the VERY BEST ONE verse.

It's the clearest statement about eternal security.

Jesus is the CAUSE of those who have eternal life.

And never perishing is the EFFECT of having eternal life.

This cannot be refuted. Which is why you must ignore my explanation.

 

[FreeGrace2]

It's not easy to lose your salvation. It's not an accidental thing. It's gross disobedience and going against your new nature.

Where does Scripture say this?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Okay so since you're eternally secure are you willing to put that to the test? I have one way you can test your theory.

Oh, this gonna be good.

 

[SeventyOne]

Okay so since you're eternally secure are you willing to put that to the test? I have one way you can test your theory.

Didn't realize you held the key. Enlighten me, oh Keymaster.

 

[Eloy Craft]

I've already gone over that point.

My post refutes it

 

[SeventyOne]

My post refutes it

Sure. Fine. Whatever you say.

 

[Invalidusername]

I asked:
"Why not rather just deal with my explanation of John 10:28 and all the points, both the CAUSE and EFFECT of having eternal life.

Where did I go wrong on that verse? Can't you tell me?"

First, I didn't ignore your verse. I addressed it. You must have missed it. So go back and find the post.

Second, of course you can ignore anything you want to. But know this: everything that you dodge and ignore is just more evidence that you don't have answers and you can't defend your own position.


Hardly one verse. It's just that John 10:28 is the VERY BEST ONE verse.

It's the clearest statement about eternal security.

Jesus is the CAUSE of those who have eternal life.

And never perishing is the EFFECT of having eternal life.

This cannot be refuted. Which is why you must ignore my explanation.

It's the only verse your simplistic mind can grasp.