Is assurance of salvation possible?

[Invalidusername]

If one is truly saved by Jesus the Christ and His redemptive work on The Cross of Calvary then they cannot EVER LOSE they're salvation EVER.

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith ;
and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

2:9
Not of works , lest any man should boast.

Also ,
John 10:28 (Jesus speaking)
And I give unto them eternal life ; and they shall never perish , neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29(Jesus speaking)
My Father , which gave them to me , is greater than all ; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Amen!!!

Friend , if you or anyone else is truly saved, you are always SAVED!!!
Rejoice in the truths of God's Word.
Don't let Satan fool you that he can rob you of you're salvation and liberty in Christ Jesus.

You're taking a far too simplistic view of the verses. I wish you were right but that's not right. The Bible clearly warns us to remain to the end and to remain in God's love.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

You're taking a far too simplistic view of the verses. I wish you were right but that's not right. The Bible clearly warns us to remain to the end and to remain in God's love.

I am not taking a to far simplistic view of the verses as you say, but rather taking the words of Jesus Christ as He Himself sayed.
What verses are you talking about regarding us to remain to the end and to remain in God's love?
It is actually quite prevalent.
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[Invalidusername]

I am not taking a to far simplistic view of the verses as you say, but rather taking the words of Jesus Christ as He Himself sayed.
What verses are you talking about regarding us to remain to the end and to remain in God's love?
It is actually quite prevalent.
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plenty of verses have been quoted to you but you dismissed them all, so why would I quote more to you?

 

[ItIsFinished!]

plenty of verses have been quoted to you but you dismissed them all, so why would I quote more to you?

I don't dismiss any Scripture.
But , the other Scriptures you have posted do not have anything to do about not having assurance of salvation.

 

[Invalidusername]

I don't dismiss any Scripture.
But , the other Scriptures you have posted do not have anything to do about not having assurance of salvation.

There you go.

 

[Halbhh]

Is there something in the Bible about assurance of final salvation?

This is how to be assured, not men's best understanding (for instance whether to stretch the assured protection we have that the Enemy cannot snatch us from God's hand to mean more than only that, to make the speculative guess it would mean additionally that we ourselves cannot stray permanently)":
To rely instead on Christ's Words --

His Words.

24 “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”
Matthew 7 ESV


We should want to know: What is the context?
What proceeding verses lead to the "then" in verse 24 (or "therefore" in some translations). Here are the proceeding verses:

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

After these verses, we then encounter "then" or "therefore" in verse 24, the continuation from verse 23.

This clear meaning is backed up elsewhere in the gospels, so that those reading through fully without skimming cannot miss it. For instance in John chapter 15, verses 1-17. We learn that branches already on the Vine that do not produce "will be gathered and thrown into the fire". Notice also the invaluable lesson here Christ tells us -- only through and of and from Him, by Him, are we able to bear fruit that endures (verse 4). Our fruit comes from Him, as we remain in Him.

 

[Oldmantook]

Sorry but I have to disagree. I believe that people who "believe" in eternal security KNOW they are wrong and not scriptural. They are just in a state of deliberate denial. That's why they will never be convinced.

I used to believe in OSAS but I quickly learned why that is incorrect through experience and scripture. People who teach OSAS either are afraid of losing salvation so they deny it entirely or they have something to sell.

I still love your amazing worse-case-scenario that blows the OSAS "theory" out of the water. Saved your post on that.

I also used to believe in OSAS as that it what I was taught in seminary. Why would I have questioned my professors back then? That is why many clergy in the pulpit teach eternal security to their congregations as that was what they were taught. Although they were sincere men, as I studied this subject over the years I realized that what I was taught was wrong. It was hard for me to unlearn what I was taught but I had no choice but to agree with what the scriptures actually teach. Those who are sincerely open to knowing the truth are open to discussion. Those who are not reveal their closed-minded disposition by the nature of their replies.

 

[Oldmantook]

There is no mistake for me to make regarding taking the mark of the Beast.
And , the accounts of Peter denying Christ 3 times is no correlation at all.
Thanks for the obscure concern.

Peter's denial is no different from taking the mark as the scripture states that taking the mark also goes along with worshiping the beast. Worshiping the beast = denying Christ. Same correlation.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Peter's denial is no different from taking the mark as the scripture states that taking the mark also goes along with worshiping the beast. Worshiping the beast = denying Christ. Same correlation.

Except Peter didn't take the mark of the Beast.
He couldn't.

 

[Oldmantook]

Except Peter didn't take the mark of the Beast.
He couldn't.

Obviously, you don't understand. Peter denied Christ. Taking the mark is the equivalent to denying Christ. Therefore they are the same.

 

[Invalidusername]

Obviously, you don't understand. Peter denied Christ. Taking the mark is the equivalent to denying Christ. Therefore they are the same.

Taking the mark is unforgivable. What Peter did was not unforgivable.

 

[ExTiff]

Taking the mark is unforgivable. What Peter did was not unforgivable.

Obviously not. Peter was fully reinstated. John 21.

 

[justbyfaith]

Assurance of salvation is promised in John 5:24, John 6:47, John 10:27-30, Hebrews 13:5, Matthew 28:20, etc.

You must lay hold of the promises in order for them to be yours, 2 Peter 1:3-4, Hebrews 11:33, 2 Corinthians 1:20, Romans 4:20-22.

When the apostles ministered to those who came to believe, it was with much assurance (1 Thessalonians 1:5).

 

[Invalidusername]

I also used to believe in OSAS as that it what I was taught in seminary. Why would I have questioned my professors back then? That is why many clergy in the pulpit teach eternal security to their congregations as that was what they were taught. Although they were sincere men, as I studied this subject over the years I realized that what I was taught was wrong. It was hard for me to unlearn what I was taught but I had no choice but to agree with what the scriptures actually teach. Those who are sincerely open to knowing the truth are open to discussion. Those who are not reveal their closed-minded disposition by the nature of their replies.

Sadly I learned OSAS was false when I got cut from the vine myself.

It's also another false teaching that says if you want to come back you always can. And "as long as you're alive there is still hope."

 

[justbyfaith]

@Invalidusername, please look up Job 14:7-9, Psalms 31:22, Acts of the Apostles 27:20-22, Psalms 23:3, and Luke 1:37 (kjv).

I think you will see that all is not lost, even for you.

All of Luke chapter 15 is also important.

I consider it to be like someone falling from the 3rd story of a building to the second story. They go from being a Romans 8 Christian to being a Romans 7 Christian. But they have not fallen away. They have merely backslidden.

And also, if you think that you have fallen to the first story of the building so that you consider yourself to now be an unbeliever, consider Eutychus (Acts of the Apostles 20:7-12).

If God can raise people from the dead physically, why not spiritually? I personally believe that in modern-day Smyrna, people are killed spiritually through the use of soul-killing drugs. But each time that this happens, Jesus gives that person another crown of life and will raise them up again.

 

[Invalidusername]

@Invalidusername, please look up Job 14:7-9, Psalms 31:22, Acts of the Apostles 27:20-22, Psalms 23:3, and Luke 1:37 (kjv).

I think you will see that all is not lost, even for you.

All of Luke chapter 15 is also important.

I consider it to be like someone falling from the 3rd story of a building to the second story. They go from being a Romans 8 Christian to being a Romans 7 Christian. But they have not fallen away. They have merely backslidden.

And also, if you think that you have fallen to the first story of the building so that you consider yourself to now be an unbeliever, consider Eutychus (Acts of the Apostles 20:7-12).

If God can raise people from the dead physically, why not spiritually? I personally believe that in modern-day Smyrna, people are killed spiritually through the use of soul-killing drugs. But each time that this happens, Jesus gives that person another crown of life and will raise them up again.

The rebirth/regeneration can only happen once. Hebrews 6 and 2 Peter 2:19-22

 

[Oldmantook]

Taking the mark is unforgivable. What Peter did was not unforgivable.

Both are acts of denying Christ however Peter was restored to his relationship with Jesus but the same cannot be said of taking the mark given the consequences spelled out in Rev 14:9-11.

 

[justbyfaith]

The rebirth/regeneration can only happen once. Hebrews 6 and 2 Peter 2:19-22

Really? What about 1 Peter 1:3? methinks that thou art opposing thyself.

A dog or a pig that returns to its vomit and/or wallowing in the mire is not a sheep.

If you are happy in the world then you were never a sheep. The devil doesn't have the power to turn a sheep into a dog or a pig, but Christ has the power to turn a dog or a pig into a sheep.

Dogs and pigs run towards vomit and mud. Sheep run away from it.

If your heart's cry is, "Wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from this body of death?" Then I believe you are a sheep and are able to return to Christ (see Luke 15). And if you are not a sheep, then you certainly never fell away. Jesus says to those who are condemned on that day, "I never knew you." Not, "I don't know you any more."

So if He has ever known you, will you be condemned?

Again, see the verses that I referenced in the posts above, look them up! If you want to be restored to faith, I believe they will instill within you the faith that you need to be able to be restored.

 

[Invalidusername]

Really? What about 1 Peter 1:3? methinks that thou art opposing thyself.

What does that verse prove? It simply says that sinners were reconciled to God. There's nothing about falling away and coming back there.

 

[justbyfaith]

It says that some of us were begotten (this refers to a spiritual birth as opposed to "born" a second time (i.e. "again").

Also, I edited post #218.

re #219.