Is assurance of salvation possible?

[SeventyOne]

I've read the whole chapter and you've failed to explain how it contradicts my explanation. Please feel free to elaborate if you're able to.

If I'm able? Thanks for the condesending tone. I think our discussion is over. I don't appreciate the childish accusation.

 

[Rescued One]

Just to say so, that's a great passage. Modern church teachings are constantly trying to beat into our heads that our flesh is wicked, and we can't help sinning because of its weakness. But Paul is here making a conspicuous point that he has become the master of his body and made it his slave.

So much for the often ill-quoted, out of context Romans 7 references that make us out to be helpless against the wiles of our wicked flesh.

Thanks for pointing out that passage. It's so small and innocuous, but oh so powerful.

Acts 26
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Romans 2
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

2 Timothy 2
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

[HatGuy]

I've never heard that. Chapter and verse please.

Romans 6.
Were a slave to sin
Now a slave to righteousness
Now, as a slave to righteousness, do not let sin reign in your mortal body (vs 12- implying very strongly that you still have to make such a choice).

The will is changed.

The will is freed. The will is changed. This is essentially the same thing.

Unless you want to imply that when a Christian sins (which a Christian does and can) then they sinned by God's will?

 

[ItIsFinished!]

You are correct. Every person, no matter how committed to Jesus Christ, still has the option of turning away and forfeiting salvation at any time up to the moment of death.

No they don't.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Salvation can be lost by neglect. God is not keeping it for us. So I agree.

That is a complete lie through and through.

What does Jesus have to say about this topic?

John 10:28 (KJV) (Jesus speaking in these verses)

And I give unto them eternal life ; and they shall never perish , neither shall any man pluck them out of my Father's hand.

10:29 (KJV) Jesus continues to speak.

My Father , which gave them me , is greater than all ; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

10:30 (KJV) Jesus still speaking.
I and my Father are one.

Those three verses will preach!!!
Amen!!!
If one is truly saved, they are ALWAYS SAVED!
It has absolutely nothing to do with neglect.
So yes friends , you absolutely can have assurance of your salvation.
Rejoice .



All glory be to God now and forever!
⚘

 

[Dorothy Mae]

That is a complete lie through and through.

It’s the truth.

What does Jesus have to say about this topic?

John 10:28 (KJV) (Jesus speaking in these verses)

And I give unto them eternal life ; and they shall never perish , neither shall any man pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Where does this say that he is keeping their salvation safe from them deciding to fall or walk away for the reasons He himself said they do? He gives eternal life but they can throw it away. He actually said many would fall away and gave the reasons.

10:29 (KJV) Jesus continues to speak.

My Father , which gave them me , is greater than all ; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

10:30 (KJV) Jesus still speaking.
I and my Father are one.

Those three verses will preach!!!
Amen!!!

If one jumps put if the hand he lets them go. He does perform a lobotomy so they got mo choice.

If one is truly saved, they are ALWAYS SAVED!

Until the day they decide to fall away for reasons Jesus said happen.

It has absolutely nothing to do with neglect.

The Bible says we ought not neglect our salvation but WORK OUT your salvation with fear and trembling.

So yes friends , you absolutely can have assurance of your salvation.
Rejoice .

Do you believe you need to love God or is that an optional extra?

There is no verse that says “rejoice, you’re going to heaven no matter what you do.”

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Where did I write believing the claims of Christ is a gift?

Ok, is the faith to believe a gift or a choice?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Salvation isn't a prize. It isn't based on our performance. Once you learn that, you'll understand that chapter better.

Salvation isn’t for your personal comfort and pleasure. Once you learn that, you’ll understand the whole Bible better.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

It’s the truth. Where does this say that he is keeping their salvation safe from them deciding to fall or walk away for the reasons He himself said they do? He gives eternal life but they can throw it away. He actually said many would fall away and gave the reasons.
If one jumps put if the hand he lets them go. He does perform a lobotomy so they got mo choice. Until the day they decide to fall away for reasons Jesus said happen. The Bible says we ought not neglect our salvation but WORK OUT your salvation with fear and trembling.
Do you believe you need to love God or is that an optional extra?

There is no verse that says “rejoice, you’re going to heaven no matter what you do.”

It isn't the truth whatsoever.
So you disagree with the very words of Jesus.
That is a very, very dangerous thing to do.

And, as far as the rejoice, I was just stating rejoice.
As you know (or obviously should) I never implied it as a part of Scripture regarding the assurance of salvation, but rather rejoice in the very words of Jesus regarding the assurance of salvation .

It will be a futile attempt for anyone to refute His words in those three verses I quoted, if not downright foolish.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Every good and perfect gift is from God.

How come Jesus never preached for men to merely receive a perfect gift and they’d never be able to lose it? Frankly, neither did anyone else for that matter.

Romans 6
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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How come the gift is not called free? how come all of them required repentance if it was a gift?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It isn't the truth whatsoever.
So you disagree with the very words of Jesus.
That is a very, very dangerous thing to do.

I disagree with you. You are not Jesus. Disagreeing with you is NOT disagreeing with Jesus. Getting that confused is dangerous.

And, as far as the rejoice, I was just stating rejoice.
As you know (or obviously should) I never implied it as a part of Scripture regarding the assurance of salvation, but rather rejoice in the very words of Jesus regarding the assurance of salvation .

Jesus never said” I assure you of your salvation.” He actually said “take care believers that no one deceive you.”

It will be a futile attempt for anyone to refute His words in those three verses I quoted, if not downright foolish.

I am taking care as he said we ought to. But it would be foolish to convince an OSAS believer they need to take care. Those verses are blacked out in their Bibles.

 

[Oldmantook]

Ok, is the faith to believe a gift or a choice?

I've asked you twice now to clarify how your question relates to my original comment and you have not done so. In order to best answer your question, explain how it relates/or is unrelated to my comment and I will gladly answer.

 

[Oldmantook]

If I'm able? Thanks for the condesending tone. I think our discussion is over. I don't appreciate the childish accusation.

You're welcome as you still haven't explained your reply - whether you refuse or are unable to.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

I disagree with you. You are not Jesus. Disagreeing with you is NOT disagreeing with Jesus. Getting that confused is dangerous.
Jesus never said” I assure you of your salvation.” He actually said “take care believers that no one deceive you.”

I am taking care as he said we ought to. But it would be foolish to convince an OSAS believer they need to take care. Those verses are blacked out in their Bibles.

Once again you are wrong.
I never said I was Jesus (obviously), I presented the words of Jesus which you clearly reject.
What else do you reject regarding what Jesus says?

Rejecting Jesus words is very dangerous.
And no verses are blacked out in my Bible.
You have a problem of taking simple verses way out of context.

And , you have not refuted what Jesus said in those three verses John 10:28-30.

If one is truly saved he or she cannot lose their salvation.

PERIOD.
I trust what Jesus and His Word states , not mere mans misunderstandings of verses.
He was quite clear in those three verses with no confusion whatsoever.

 

[Invalidusername]

Once again you are wrong.
I never said I was Jesus (obviously), I presented the words of Jesus which you clearly reject.
What else do you reject regarding what Jesus says?

Rejecting Jesus words is very dangerous.
And no verses are blacked out in my Bible.
You have a problem of taking simple verses way out of context.

And , you have not refuted what Jesus said in those three verses John 10:28-30.

If one is truly saved he or she cannot lose their salvation.

PERIOD.
I trust what Jesus and His Word states , not mere mans misunderstandings of verses.
He was quite clear in those three verses with no confusion whatsoever.

Romans 11:22 is also perfectly clear.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Romans 11:22 is also perfectly clear.

What does this verse mean to you?
What is the subject matter?

 

[Invalidusername]

What does this verse mean to you?
What is the subject matter?

It's pretty clear. Of course I know you're gonna twist it into some gentile vs. Jewish thing.

Read the parable of the vine in John 15 and it'll be clear to you.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

It's pretty clear. Of course I know you're gonna twist it into some gentile vs. Jewish thing.

Read the parable of the vine in John 15 and it'll be clear to you.

Yeah it is pretty clear as it has nothing to do with the assurance of ones salvation.
Apparently it is you who is twisting that verse to fill you're narrative.
And, you have the audacity to presume I would do exactly what you are doing.
Seriously?
SMH .

 

[Invalidusername]

Yeah it is pretty clear as it has nothing to do with the assurance of ones salvation.
Apparently it is you who is twisting that verse to fill you're narrative.
And, you have the audacity to presume I would do exactly what you are doing.
Seriously?
SMH .

Yeah because God would warn an entire culture of being cut off but not individuals. Clearly donald Trump will read out that verse to CNN and everyone will repent.

Do you really think God is that dense? These warnings are for us as individuals.

I bet you think 2 Peter 2:19-22 is talking about a cultural thing too.

SMH

 

[Oldmantook]

If one is truly saved he or she cannot lose their salvation.

I have no reason to doubt that you are a regenerate believer. So with that presumption, allow me to pose a direct question to you. Please answer it as you would answer for yourself; not how someone else might supposedly answer it. My question to you is:
If you were forced to decide whether or not to take the mark of the beast, would you take it? As far as I can determine you have 3 options:
#1. Yes, you would take it because as a believer you are secure in your salvation and can never lose it.
#2. No, you would not take it because of the consequences spelled out in Rev 14:9-11
#3. Yes, you would take it but that would mean that you were never a believer in the first place.

If you choose option #1, at least you are perfectly consistent in your belief however it goes against what Scripture teaches happens to anyone who accepts the mark.
If you choose option #2, it nullifies your belief that you being a regenerate believer, can never lose your salvation.
If you choose option #3, I imagine that would be unsettling to you as I'm sure you consider yourself to presently be a genuine believer.

And if you answer that this question is irrelevant by claiming that the saints aren't around on the earth at that time because you you are a preterist or they are all raptured to heaven, do not neglect to notice Rev 14:12 "This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus." Whether these are the church-age saints or the tribulation saints is subject to another debate but the fact remains the saints are referenced in this context and are admonished to endure, obey and remain faithful to Jesus rather than worship the beast and accept the mark. Lastly if you claim that under no circumstance you are certain without a doubt, that you would never accept the mark of the beast, how would you know for sure what you would do or not do in the future, especially under extreme duress/persecution? Even Peter who saw Jesus face-to-face and walked with him daily, was absolutely certain than he would never deny the Lord - but we all know what happened to Peter.