Is Artificial Insemination Adulterous?

GoldenKingGaze · Mar 5, 2008

How can you say the mixing of seed is not sexual? It is definetly. It is sexual reproduction.

You mean it is not romantic?

You make a long quote and write a little. Use scriptures I say.

And where is the sense of honour and empathy for husbands as well as wives?

How is it all about Jesus? For a Christian forum?

revrobor · Mar 5, 2008

GoldenKingGaze said:
How can you say the mixing of seed is not sexual? It is definetly. It is sexual reproduction.

You mean it is not romantic?

You make a long quote and write a little. Use scriptures I say.

And where is the sense of honour and empathy for husbands as well as wives?

How is it all about Jesus? For a Christian forum?

AI is a medical proceedure mutually agreed upon by the husband and wife. There is nothing sexual about it. But it is certainly loving.

TC2 · Mar 5, 2008

Thank you all for the prayers and well wishes.
I am indeed, pregnant. It worked!

13 days post insem, I took a test, got a BFP, and then took 3 diff brands of test the next day, with 3 more BFP's. Confirmed further by a blood test.

We go for our u/s next Friday with our RE.
We and our family, are overjoyed.

There seems to be some confusion, however, about just what AI is. Let me explain....

AI = artificial insemination. This may be with donor sperm or the husbands sperm. Either qualifies, so when you speak of AI, it's too general, unless you speak of the procedure itself, and give further explanation.

DS = donor sperm. Just what it says. Not the husbands sperm.

AI with DS, or AI/DS = Artificial insem with donor sperm, that is, not sperm of the husband. I'm sure this is what most here are speaking of, but I wanted to clear up the differences, and any confusion/uncertainty about it.

anonymous1515 · Mar 5, 2008

Congratulations! I wish you and your family all the best!

GoldenKingGaze · Mar 6, 2008

You should check, sex and sexual in Webster's.

I can understand that other people, are kind and generous in different ways. But if I had a wife and she wanted AI/DS, I would feel it was only for her, and that I would not get to live myself. To me it would be demanding and cruel, I would feel, and having thought of it, did feel challenged, and humiliated. It feels ego crushing.

It cannot be categorically said that it is a loving thing.

But it can be said that the managers of these banks are a kind of fair, in that the procedures involve consent, and tests for acceptable patients...

Having said that it is fair, and that people's personalities are diverse, it can be loving, I agree.

From a Christian view, I believe Solomon's and Jesus' view, our God of Hosea, a jealous God, that God will be condescendingly restorative with the men and women users of AI, and will bless them and their offspring, with mercy, justice, peace, His love, and glorification, if they have faith in Jesus and obey as they know how to.

GoldenKingGaze · Mar 6, 2008

1 Corinthians, God wrote to us here about not being "unequally yoked with unbelievers."

The following discords it. The counsel of a eugenics minded Dr, recommending AI/DS, and from a man who is not heartily faithful to Jesus, and maybe far from it, can leave his child in a couple of believers, who find their child stubbornly unbelieving.

TheDag · Mar 6, 2008

GoldenKingGaze said:
How can you say the mixing of seed is not sexual? It is definetly. It is sexual reproduction.

You mean it is not romantic?

You make a long quote and write a little. Use scriptures I say.

And where is the sense of honour and empathy for husbands as well as wives?

How is it all about Jesus? For a Christian forum?

Once again this is al SIMPLY YOUR OPINION AND INTERPRETATION. When will you understand that? The passages you have provided are not interpreted the same way by everyone else. There is no consensus amongst scholars that you interpretation is correct (this does not mean some scholars don't agree with you). You also mention what conservative Jews find aaceeptable and unacceptable. Bear in mind conservatives can be wrong about things. Jews can be wrong about things. Unless of course you call their motivations for have Jesus crucified good in which case there would be no point discussing things with you. While God intended for Jesus to be crucified the motivations of the Jewish leaders was anything but Godly.

GoldenKingGaze said:
1 Corinthians, God wrote to us here about not being "unequally yoked with unbelievers."

The following discords it. The counsel of a eugenics minded Dr, recommending AI/DS, and from a man who is not heartily faithful to Jesus, and maybe far from it, can leave his child in a couple of believers, who find their child stubbornly unbelieving.

This is getting plain silly. There are kids who grow up in non-christian homes who become believers. There are kids who grow up in the church and walk away and never return. The faith of a parent does not determine the faith of the child. There is a influence there but it can be good or bad. When it tells us not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers it is talking about the husband and wife. We can look at reasons for that such as the non-christian parent could be working against the other parent to stop them from spending time with God. They will have different priorities as a result which will/can cause division in the marriage which could lead to divorce which we know can be very messy especially when kids are involved.

revrobor · Mar 6, 2008

TheDag said:
This is getting plain silly.

You're absolutely correct. Silly but not surprising. There are many Christians who will stretch Scripture for all it's worth to get it to fit there personal convictions.

GoldenKingGaze · Mar 9, 2008

The modern Jews should not be held accountable for Jesus death. It has been a cause of a lot of persecution. And a point of view is not meant to be rebutted by a point about reputation...

The New Testament, is the word of God, and it is interpreted or understood when the Spirit reveals and teaches it to you.

And it is a complete book. Scripture explains scripture. Jesus wanted in the Gospel, "not peace but a sword."

Jesus wants discussions to be Bible rich.

My personal convictions come from repentance at first, and the promises of God in the Bible. Words of knowledge, the Spirit of encouragement and mercy and grace. And from testimonies of people inmpacted by the Spirit of grace, healing and restoration.

TheDag · Mar 9, 2008

GoldenKingGaze said:
The modern Jews should not be held accountable for Jesus death. It has been a cause of a lot of persecution. And a point of view is not meant to be rebutted by a point about reputation...

Not sure what your getting at here however if directed at me (once again if you quoted people then we would know what your responding to. If you need help in how to do that send me a private message or go to the christian forums how to swection) then I would say you were offering a point of view based on reputation of certain people and I pointed out how people of that group had been wrong before so the conclusion that can be drawn is that they could be wrong again.

GoldenKingGaze said:
The New Testament, is the word of God, and it is interpreted or understood when the Spirit reveals and teaches it to you.

And it is a complete book. Scripture explains scripture. Jesus wanted in the Gospel, "not peace but a sword."

I realise all this. If responding to me then I have no idea what your point is. Are you able to rephrase it? Of course bear in mind that it is still open to misinterpretation. I've met plenty of people who have said God was guiding and teaching them but they got things so wrong and mixed up it was obvious that wasn't the case.

GoldenKingGaze said:
Jesus wants discussions to be Bible rich.

Can you also clarify this statement. After all imagine a discussion about what brand of printer is the best. Are we supposed to use scripture to back up our view? Ok that is an extreme example but it makes the point. There is nothing wrong with using non-scriptural sources as long as they don't go against biblical teaching.

GoldenKingGaze said:
My personal convictions come from repentance at first, and the promises of God in the Bible. Words of knowledge, the Spirit of encouragement and mercy and grace. And from testimonies of people inmpacted by the Spirit of grace, healing and restoration.

and this is the point people are making. It is YOUR personal experience. Others have repented and believed the promises of God in the bible and witnessed and heard testimony yet they have arrived at a different conclusion. Why? I don't think you have presented anything resembling enough evidence so we can say they are not properly understanding what God is teaching them. Therefore untill we have sufficient evidence then it is best to leave an open mind. By all means if you do not think it should be done then don't do it. That is a biblical principle. However should you ever look like you might get married let me strongly suggest that you discuss this and other similar issues before you get married. Otherwise if you get married to a person with different views you will have huge problems in your marriage. Other things to discuss would be views on who works if you have kids and what jobs each person would be expected to help with.

dayhiker · Mar 10, 2008

TC2 ... congrats. I'm so happy for you. I pray you have a healthy child who sleeps well at night.

dayhiker

TC2 · Mar 10, 2008

Thank you, DayHiker, and anyone else I may have missed since my last post.

We go Thursday for our first u/s.
Please continue to pray for us.

NDNgirl4ever · Mar 11, 2008

How can you say the mixing of seed is not sexual? It is definetly. It is sexual reproduction

AI is NOT the same as having sex with someone. It does not involve either intercourse or lust, therefore, it cannot be the same as adultery, which does involve those things.

You make a long quote and write a little. Use scriptures I say.

The scriptures do not speak of Artifical Insemination. What am I supposed to use?

The following discords it. The counsel of a eugenics minded Dr, recommending AI/DS, and from a man who is not heartily faithful to Jesus, and maybe far from it, can leave his child in a couple of believers, who find their child stubbornly unbelieving

What? Becoming a Christian is a personal choice, it's NOT hereditary. Whether or not the biological parents are believers has nothing to do with it! My father's "mother" was not a Christian. In fact, she got angry with my father when she found out he choose to be baptized. Note, when he choose to be baptized. My father is a Christian, despite the fact that his "mother" wasn't. So I don't know where you got that idea that having an unbelieving biological father would mean that the child would not believe either.
You say you are uncomfortable with Artifical Insemination. That's fine, you are entitled to your opinion. However, you do not speak for all men. Many men like the idea and encourage it. And they have a right to their opinion. It's simple, if you don't like Artifical Insemination, then don't do it. But don't critize those of us who do support it.

tigercub · Mar 11, 2008

GoldenKingGaze said:
How can you say the mixing of seed is not sexual? It is definetly. It is sexual reproduction.

You mean it is not romantic?

Um, because it's done in a petrie dish (or something like one) That's about as non-sexual as you can get

TC2: congratulations on your happy news! Best wishes with the US

TC2 · Mar 14, 2008

Thank you, things seem to be doing great.
Saw the heartbeat today, flashing like crazy.

Hope to see more, and more clearly, in two
weeks. We're very happy right now!

higgs2 · Mar 14, 2008

No, of course not.

Sign Of The Fish Burger · Mar 18, 2008

GoldenKingGaze said:
Is artificial insemination adulterous?

Another man apart from the husband, his sex cells from his loins going into the first man's wife, and fusing with her seed in her heart, creating a special bond between the the wife and donor, she never meets.

I think it is foul in the history of her body. Causing need of prayer for salvation in restoration. Jesus blood sprinkled on her and her loins.

Is the honour of mixing seed the legal husband's?

When the child grows and is loved by the mother with features from an outsider, is she growing away from her husband? Should they be esteemed or held humble?

Does this serve God, the economy, lust, peace..., what? Can the legal husband ask for restoration?

Your thread title is misleading. You should specifically state that AI with someone other then you're husbands sperm.

You do know that you can do an AI WITH your husband's sperm??? That no, is not immoral.

tigercub · Mar 19, 2008

Sign Of The Fish Burger said:
Your thread title is misleading. You should specifically state that AI with someone other then you're husbands sperm.

You do know that you can do an AI WITH your husband's sperm??? That no, is not immoral.

To clarify, are you implying that AI with donor sperm is adulterous?

Just wondering

TexasSky · Mar 19, 2008

Artificial insemination is usually sperm from a woman's husband, washed to give it more mobility and to destroy possible bacteria that may be causing it not to fertilize, then it inserted into the wife's womb.

It can be sperm from a stranger, but it usually isn't.

Sign Of The Fish Burger · Mar 19, 2008

TexasSky said:
Artificial insemination is usually sperm from a woman's husband, washed to give it more mobility and to destroy possible bacteria that may be causing it not to fertilize, then it inserted into the wife's womb.

It can be sperm from a stranger, but it usually isn't.

Yeah that is what I was trying to say- Texas Sky just did a better job then I did

tigercub said:
To clarify, are you implying that AI with donor sperm is adulterous?

Just wondering

With another man's sperm? Adulterous, no. Wrong, yes I believe it is. DH and I are currently doing Intrauterine Inseminations (IUI's) with HIS sperm. Praise Jesus that his sperm is fine and dandy. BUT if we had found out this his sperm were a dud and he were 100% infertile I would never, EVER imagine having a child with someone else's sperm- Specially inside my body, mixing with my sex organs. We would just go the adoption route instead.

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