I said: Some people never have any clue as to the properties some books, DVDs, etc. carry on them. Just as the anointing can be imparted into objects, spring forth from a spiritual birthing, etc.), the enemy does the same thing.
It's really not about being "anti" anything. An observation was made about charismatics primarily sticking to the Spirit filled section of the bookstore. That's a good thing. They're walking in the realm of Christianity they abide in.
There are tons of good testimonies out there from people who's lives were changed by God. Not all are Spirit filled, but they talk about who they were and who they are now. I admire them and they have a rightful place.
I'm a long time lover of Bible study. I like to search it out for all it's worth. I've got most of the plastic coated fold-up chart stuff and facts at your fingertips kind of brochures to educate. I love all of the references on the tabernacles and all sorts of stuff "about Christianity" that kind of fills in the spaces.
I don't knock people for reading apologetics. I have some excellent books. I have to say that much of it is written by people who don't know the Holy Spirit baptism and so everything they do lacks what it might. I'm not being critical of them and each person walks in the light they have.
Pointing out spiritual properties or "doors" or "windows" on physical objects in no way "anti" anything except the very things I'm pointing out. That's the reason I share that. I can't share that with everyone. Not everyone gets it. For the sake of those who do, there's an exhortation. We always have some folks on board who cannot receive all of this. No condemnation.
It's a supernatural manifestation that God has for each of His children to make you wise in your walk. In the assembly we often major on a gift or two. In your own walk you can see ALL of the gifts manifest. If I pick up a CD and I sense an oppression when I pick it up, I KNOW there is something objectionable in God's sight about it. Its message comes from the wrong spirit. It's not my own "feelings".
Books are certainly that way too. I have noticed for decades the atmosphere in book stores. Often good in Christian books stores and usually a bad mixture in used book stores.
I've been led to go in them and pick up Christian stuff, and I know that in the aisles are things waiting to lure you in a certain direction that is contrary to the gospel.
There's the "knowledge of good and evil" thing working. Voices that advocate for it should re-examine and consider that just as God warned His people when they entered into the promised land, that the people in it had ways that would "infect" as you might say His people if they allowed it in their camp. They were told to destroy it. We have the example of the one who held back and it brought a curse on the camp.
We also have the scriptures about burning the objects from the "curious arts". You might look into the word "curious" in its current usage.
Folks wear shirts with symbols or even tattoos that become literally "gates" for the enemy.
This has a bad sound to it. Yes, Half Price Books has a number of Spirit filled books in them. They also have a lot of New Age, witchcraft, etc. stuff in it and those "sources" are NOT truth. I'm not referring so much to the place as I am certain books, CDs, DVDs, etc. Just as sure as you're sitting, many of these things are defiled and if you enter into them (as Kat Kerr would say), they will enter into you.
They don't have to. The writers themselves became willing "prophets" for the enemy to minister deceiving and seductive stuff (not just talking about fleshy stuff either).
Don't get me wrong. I love education. I'm a lifelong student. I got my degree fairly recently. If I could have stayed in school, I would have! I would have loved to go to Bible college. In the plan for my life, there were some things that needed to happen, and that was not in the cards.
But like so many people, God sends you school in correspondence. He leads you through the five-fold ministry, those anointed people and He builds that stuff in you. You walk it out "on your own" (seemingly). He builds on it. A strong foundation is laid.
We're supposed to study to show ourselves approved. You don't have to enroll in a seminary (seedbed). If you have the hunger, you can let the seed flow from every good source.
You see, "They took note that they had been with Jesus", not that they went to college. They were unlearned men, but they had a wonderful ministry walking closely with the Lord and listening to the Holy Spirit.
I know that anyone can say that and it takes each person to do their thing for that to happen. That is the real education and the greatest need. He can teach you quickly. In fact, to hear some, He can download stuff that would take you years to preach in just a minute.
As one with a teacher's heart, I love seeing it all laid out with the ducks in a row just like you do.
It's the school of the Holy Spirit that you learn the most through. And undeniably, the Spirit filled section has the stuff in it where people sat down and did time alone with God under the anointing. It makes the rest seem somewhat hollow.
Nobody's "knocking" anything. People hear this kind of talk and that's what they hear. They "read between the lines", but in so doing, they completely miss what was said and the value of the difference.
Yeah, the statue comes right out front and "declares" what it is without hiding in the dark from the physical senses. It's more dangerous to "freely" pick from the wrong tree and eat. Any insight provided by God into that realm to keep you from bondage is worth its weight in gold (if you can receive it).
I do understand that there are many wonderful ministers of God out there that Spirit filled believers just love. I see people not discern stuff I love as well. I understand that we're all called to certain areas to feed. I don't criticize them. At the same time, a few appear on programs that are typically Spirit filled and they have no anointing (I can tell).
Often believers who are more into intellectual pursuits like these and I marvel because what they offer is not the same as somebody moving in the anointing.
I listened to about 60 hours of stuff on Mormonism. Many of the former Mormons who ministered really got it, but they were not Spirit filled. Their doctrine about prophecy ceasing and all that explained why although you could tell they loved the Lord, and it was good, wasn't as good as somebody anointed who brings it forth.
I do consider that I miss out on a lot of good stuff I'm not ready for either. At the same time, I can turn on the radio (on most days) and determine if someone is ministering life. It just happens!
I do take the intellectual thing in perspective, but like the observation about "most Charismatic types" staying in the Spirit filled section of the bookstore for good reason.
As far as the spiritual component (light or darkness), it's vital to develop this because whether you see it or not, it's out there (even at a bookstore near you).
THIS is the sort of attitude that leads people to accuse Charismatics and WoF folks of anti-intellectualism.
It's really not about being "anti" anything. An observation was made about charismatics primarily sticking to the Spirit filled section of the bookstore. That's a good thing. They're walking in the realm of Christianity they abide in.
There are tons of good testimonies out there from people who's lives were changed by God. Not all are Spirit filled, but they talk about who they were and who they are now. I admire them and they have a rightful place.
I'm a long time lover of Bible study. I like to search it out for all it's worth. I've got most of the plastic coated fold-up chart stuff and facts at your fingertips kind of brochures to educate. I love all of the references on the tabernacles and all sorts of stuff "about Christianity" that kind of fills in the spaces.
I don't knock people for reading apologetics. I have some excellent books. I have to say that much of it is written by people who don't know the Holy Spirit baptism and so everything they do lacks what it might. I'm not being critical of them and each person walks in the light they have.
Pointing out spiritual properties or "doors" or "windows" on physical objects in no way "anti" anything except the very things I'm pointing out. That's the reason I share that. I can't share that with everyone. Not everyone gets it. For the sake of those who do, there's an exhortation. We always have some folks on board who cannot receive all of this. No condemnation.
Where is the faith here, being afraid to read certain things because you might pick up a "spirit"?
It's a supernatural manifestation that God has for each of His children to make you wise in your walk. In the assembly we often major on a gift or two. In your own walk you can see ALL of the gifts manifest. If I pick up a CD and I sense an oppression when I pick it up, I KNOW there is something objectionable in God's sight about it. Its message comes from the wrong spirit. It's not my own "feelings".
Books are certainly that way too. I have noticed for decades the atmosphere in book stores. Often good in Christian books stores and usually a bad mixture in used book stores.
I've been led to go in them and pick up Christian stuff, and I know that in the aisles are things waiting to lure you in a certain direction that is contrary to the gospel.
<..And there is no reason that any believer in the Word should fear that ideas or philosophies will "infect" us with an unclean spirit.
There's the "knowledge of good and evil" thing working. Voices that advocate for it should re-examine and consider that just as God warned His people when they entered into the promised land, that the people in it had ways that would "infect" as you might say His people if they allowed it in their camp. They were told to destroy it. We have the example of the one who held back and it brought a curse on the camp.
We also have the scriptures about burning the objects from the "curious arts". You might look into the word "curious" in its current usage.
Folks wear shirts with symbols or even tattoos that become literally "gates" for the enemy.
...one will celebrate Truth from all its sources, knowing that Truth comes from God - even the truths that are found in unlikely places.
This has a bad sound to it. Yes, Half Price Books has a number of Spirit filled books in them. They also have a lot of New Age, witchcraft, etc. stuff in it and those "sources" are NOT truth. I'm not referring so much to the place as I am certain books, CDs, DVDs, etc. Just as sure as you're sitting, many of these things are defiled and if you enter into them (as Kat Kerr would say), they will enter into you.
...Or are you suggesting that people sit at printing shops and cast curses over each separate book that rolls off the production line before it gets shipped to a book store?
They don't have to. The writers themselves became willing "prophets" for the enemy to minister deceiving and seductive stuff (not just talking about fleshy stuff either).
Don't get me wrong. I love education. I'm a lifelong student. I got my degree fairly recently. If I could have stayed in school, I would have! I would have loved to go to Bible college. In the plan for my life, there were some things that needed to happen, and that was not in the cards.
But like so many people, God sends you school in correspondence. He leads you through the five-fold ministry, those anointed people and He builds that stuff in you. You walk it out "on your own" (seemingly). He builds on it. A strong foundation is laid.
Regardless of that, however, I DO personally find it alarming when pastors are not educated.
We're supposed to study to show ourselves approved. You don't have to enroll in a seminary (seedbed). If you have the hunger, you can let the seed flow from every good source.
You see, "They took note that they had been with Jesus", not that they went to college. They were unlearned men, but they had a wonderful ministry walking closely with the Lord and listening to the Holy Spirit.
I know that anyone can say that and it takes each person to do their thing for that to happen. That is the real education and the greatest need. He can teach you quickly. In fact, to hear some, He can download stuff that would take you years to preach in just a minute.
As one with a teacher's heart, I love seeing it all laid out with the ducks in a row just like you do.
It's the school of the Holy Spirit that you learn the most through. And undeniably, the Spirit filled section has the stuff in it where people sat down and did time alone with God under the anointing. It makes the rest seem somewhat hollow.
Nobody's "knocking" anything. People hear this kind of talk and that's what they hear. They "read between the lines", but in so doing, they completely miss what was said and the value of the difference.
...I don't think that an object that is meant to be the physical face of a false god can in any way compare to a written work of literature. You're talking apples and oranges there.
Yeah, the statue comes right out front and "declares" what it is without hiding in the dark from the physical senses. It's more dangerous to "freely" pick from the wrong tree and eat. Any insight provided by God into that realm to keep you from bondage is worth its weight in gold (if you can receive it).
...theology that seems completely "dry" and devoid of life to you... Then another person picks it up, reads it, and feels the Spirit of God descend upon him as the words speak to a certain area of his life that may not have been of much relevance to you personally. If you fail to detect an "anointing" upon something, that does not mean that there is no anointing there. It may just mean that there is no anointing for you.
I do understand that there are many wonderful ministers of God out there that Spirit filled believers just love. I see people not discern stuff I love as well. I understand that we're all called to certain areas to feed. I don't criticize them. At the same time, a few appear on programs that are typically Spirit filled and they have no anointing (I can tell).
Often believers who are more into intellectual pursuits like these and I marvel because what they offer is not the same as somebody moving in the anointing.
I actually like it, but I understand that many offering the goods are not Spirit filled, so what they present, though intellectually interesting and fascinating, is missing the whole point of the Pentecost feast.So apologetics is not your area of spiritual emphasis, is what I am hearing from you.
I listened to about 60 hours of stuff on Mormonism. Many of the former Mormons who ministered really got it, but they were not Spirit filled. Their doctrine about prophecy ceasing and all that explained why although you could tell they loved the Lord, and it was good, wasn't as good as somebody anointed who brings it forth.
...I don't think it is accurate to write the entire subject off as devoid of faith or anointing. If something does not "ping" with you, that doesn't mean that it isn't Spirit-driven. It takes all types.
I do consider that I miss out on a lot of good stuff I'm not ready for either. At the same time, I can turn on the radio (on most days) and determine if someone is ministering life. It just happens!
I do take the intellectual thing in perspective, but like the observation about "most Charismatic types" staying in the Spirit filled section of the bookstore for good reason.
As far as the spiritual component (light or darkness), it's vital to develop this because whether you see it or not, it's out there (even at a bookstore near you).
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