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But saying everything in charismatic services is evil is just as not discerning as charismatics who believe everything is from God and the first is worse. MacArthur and other heresy hunters also say real fire is from the devil, that's what the Pharisees said too.In charismatic circles that type of activity is nearly perpetual. The space is just off the wall running wild with wolves.
But saying everything in charismatic services is evil is just as not discerning as charismatics who believe everything is from God and the first is worse.
MacArthur and other heresy hunters also say real fire is from the devil, that's what the Pharisees said too.
Any assembly that believes and practices lies is not of God. I don't care how much 'spiritual activity' they learn to act out.
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The Word is clear: the Church is edified only if there is interpretation which =prophesy. The person is edified/built up, who prays in tongues, to God....that is the Word of God.the gift of tongues was given as a sign to unbelievers and was not gibberish it was actual language that was being spoken... what edification to anyone does speaking a language that can not be understood by unbelievers have? I genuinely want to understand how you and your fellow charismatics view non common language tongues as a benefit to the church?
In charismatic circles that type of activity is nearly perpetual. The space is just off the wall running wild with wolves.
I totally agree and take the same approach. If people are deceived, even myself, that's just the way it is for ignorant sheep. And I have had my fill at that space. You get put there for reasons, as it is with other uncomfortable places where we may find ourselves.
Again, I agree. I believe Paul had complete trust in Christ over and above all the other nonsense. And if some, and I think most, eventually do come away from any bad experiences with their faith intact, so much the better.
That being said, those types of ministries deserve everything they end up with on the downside and then some. May their mansions and boats and jets and mega churches, go up in flames along with their LIES.
I could care less.
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Oh -Oh! -are you damning MacArthur?
I suspect each party has a constituency coupled with a financial dog in the hunt.Be careful when pointing fingers cause three point back. In this case, MacArthur is not teaching the truth about the Word's clear doctrine on tongues and the Holy Spirit Baptism and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit set in the Church for all the Church age.
Next week, there will be a Christian conference in my country, where charismatics, baptists, non-denominationals, Pentecostals and people from other denomination will come together. Unity in diversity. Maybe, during worship, one will dance, one will raise up his hands, one will stay straight. But, in the end, we will all pray for our country, each one as he knows. In the last months, there were many, many churches coming together to pray for unity between churches. So sad to know that in the other part of the earth, there is a conference who is dividing Christians and making some look superior and others look like demons.
Not the whole charismatic church is involved in false fire, look at this threat:Any assembly that believes and practices lies is not of God. I don't care how much 'spiritual activity' they learn to act out.
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Counterfeits copy what is valuable and real not the fake stuff.... There are plenty of agnostic pastors out there in denominational churches who stay bc its their paycheck, but they don't draw attention to themselves. Plenty of pervs, porn addicts, adulterers, and molesters to go around, this guy Tilton or whoever the next thief is has no bearing on the truth of the gifts for today or not today.... the fruit is... millions have been saved, hundreds of millions throughout S.America, Africa, Asia...
in the last 100 years and it was when the charismatic explosion occurred. Yes there are wolves in sheep's clothing, but they don't pretend to be Methodists, Lutherans, and the mainline church bc there's nothing to copy, those folks look like everyone else.
In Christ's day, people pretended to be the Messiah bc there was one coming and they still do...
and I am glad we agree.... at least the gospel is preached bc many of these people would never have heard the gospel if some greedy nut job didn't spot them as an easy meal....
at least they are going... look at TBN... geez, I have to keep my opinions to myself but they are carrying the gospel into Iran, Egypt, Afghanistan etc etc. they got rich doing it... so what is that to me.
God will deal with them and they have brought more people to the Lord then I have. He can use the jaw bone of an ass - He can use Pink haired ladies too....
God bless, andrea
PS: how will they believe if they have not heard, the power is in the WORD of God bc of the work of God not bc we are so holy in the way we present the gospel... its God power not TBN's or mine
1 Cor 14: 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
1 Cor 14:
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. 39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
Thank you, I linked to his Fb page.... yes if someone had told J.M. about what Jesus was about to do he would have had a conference to decide if it was scriptural and then declared his findings as canon.... he would have requested no strange fire and make sure you warn them to stay home on the day of Pentecost bc there will be strange fireI just read this one:
Tyler G. Johnson
Just to be clear, I am filled with a Strange Fire. The fire of God is nothing but strangely wonderful. I am also a "grace preacher" that believes in a "grace gospel". What gospel to do you have unless it is a gospel of grace? And what kind of grace is there other than grace that is "exaggerated" and excessive? It doesn't get more gracious of God, more excessively over the top, or more strange than Jesus Christ dying on a cross.
"pennycostals and charismaniacs: Is it wrong to laugh with someone that silly?One guy said: pennycostals and charismaniacs, that's what gives us a bad name.
................ you can not cherry pick words and make them fit your thoughts bc someone will come back and do the same to you... just bc something is strange does not make it bad. I have been told there is nothing stranger then talking to an invisible friend.... in prayer.I could argue that if your rejected of men and a stranger that your Christlike -- it would not be true... but I could pull up scripture to support many unbiblical ideas...the fact is we are a strange peopleI dont see how God referred to his fire as that which was strange when it apparently didnt glorify him or present Him as holy.
The doctrine of Christ isnt called strange, there was also that which was called "strange doctrines"
And that which preferreth strangers to their own husband, or strange wives (which led Solomons heart astray).
Strange puts a difference between (in a negative sense) not positive. Except when others think it strange that we dont run into the same excess as them.
................ you can not cherry pick words and make them fit your thoughts bc someone will come back and do the same to you... just bc something is strange does not make it bad. I have been told there is nothing stranger then talking to an invisible friend.... in prayer.I could argue that if your rejected of men and a stranger that your Christlike -- it would not be true... but I could pull up scripture to support many unbiblical ideas...the fact is we are a strange people
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And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5 you also, as living stones, [j]are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For this is contained in [k]Scripture:
Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone,
And he who believes in [l]Him will not be [m]disappointed.
7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve,
The stone which the builders rejected,
This became the very corner stone,
8 and,
A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense;
for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for Gods own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul. 12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may [n]because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of [o]visitation.
The context IS strange fire
Originally Posted by Fireinfolding
I dont see how God referred to his fire as that which was strange when it apparently didnt glorify him or present Him as holy.
The doctrine of Christ isnt called strange, there was also that which was called "strange doctrines"
And that which preferreth strangers to their own husband, or strange wives (which led Solomons heart astray).
Strange puts a difference between (in a negative sense) not positive. Except when others think it strange that we dont run into the same excess as them.
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??? you might see why I thought otherwise??
................ you can not cherry pick words and make them fit your thoughts bc someone will come back and do the same to you... just bc something is strange does not make it bad. I have been told there is nothing stranger then talking to an invisible friend.... in prayer.I could argue that if your rejected of men and a stranger that your Christlike -- it would not be true... but I could pull up scripture to support many unbiblical ideas...the fact is we are a strange people
........
And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5 you also, as living stones, [j]are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For this is contained in [k]Scripture:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone,
And he who believes in [l]Him will not be [m]disappointed.”
7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve,
“The stone which the builders rejected,
This became the very corner stone,”
8 and,
“A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense”;
for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul. 12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may [n]because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of [o]visitation.
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