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Is anybody else minimally interested in the abortion and homosexuality controversies?

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LOVEthroughINTELLECT

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And does anybody else find comparisions of those controversies and practices to the Holocaust and the controversy over slavery and the Civil Rights Movement respectively to be weak?

I don't pay much attention to the abortion controversy or the controversy over homosexuality. It seems like 50% of what I see at Christian Forums is about those two divisive topics. It seems like 50% of what I see and hear from any source about Christianity is about those two divisive topics. It leaves me :scratch: .

Of course, the minute that I say that I am going to be accused of complicity to evil. Indeed, people often compare the contemporary practice of abortion to the Holocaust. And people often compare the controversy surrounding abortion to the controversy over the institution of slavery in the first century in the U.S. Meanwhile, one can't read or hear about homosexuals without seeing and hearing comparisons to African-Americans' struggle to have their Constitutional and human rights upheld.

But those comparisons are weak, if not completely erroneous and/or dishonest. The Holocaust was about ethnic cleansing, was it not? The contemporary practice of abortion that has been so divisive has little if anything to do with ethnic cleansing. Slavery? I am not a History PhD, but I think that it is safe to say that slavery was an economic institution that a region of the United States depended on. I think that it is safe to say that it was people's livelihood that was ultimately at stake. I could be wrong, of course. But based on that understanding of the controversy over slavery I must say that the abortion controversy does not compare. And the comparisons between the Civil Rights Movement and today's movement for homosexuals' rights are extremely weak, in my humble opinion. Homosexuals are not--and as far as I know never have been--segregated like African-Americans were and to some extent still are. And African-Americans had no choice. It is no so clear with homosexuals. It is not clear if homosexuality is or is not a choice. And even if homosexuality is not a choice, a strong case can be made that homosexual behavior is a choice. I could probably write several paragraphs contrasting the two groups.

I am not saying that abortion and the mistreatment of homosexuals are trivial. I do think about those issues. But I think that an extremely disproportionate amount of resources are spent on the two issues at the expense of many other things that need our attention. And if we did not neglect other problems so much then the abortion and homosexuality controversies would likely be a lot more easy to resolve. Does anybody else feel this way?
 

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I agree. It might seem strange, considering I've been posting so much on those threads. :p I just get upset when I see so much bitterness and anger being expressed by both sides of the debate. I'd rather be discussing philosophical methods of hermeneutics or some such thing.
 
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I find them... interesting.

Every time I think that society is progressing toward loving of our fellow man, I enter one of those threads and see the hate, still alive and well.

It keeps me fighting for my rights. It reminds me that the struggle for equal rights for homosexuals still has a LONG way to go... and it re-inspires me.
 
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That's an interesting point, Sam G. Hadn't thought of it like that!

But it never ceases to amaze me how obsessed with sex these Forums are! Natural/unnatural, homo/hetero; contraception/abortion - it will all turn up in a thread sooner or later!

What is it with you Americans??
 
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Maccie said:
That's an interesting point, Sam G. Hadn't thought of it like that!

But it never ceases to amaze me how obsessed with sex these Forums are! Natural/unnatural, homo/hetero; contraception/abortion - it will all turn up in a thread sooner or later!

What is it with you Americans??
If you hadn't noticed, a lot of the people bringing it up are Europeans. ;)
 
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Sam Gamgee said:
I find them... interesting.

Every time I think that society is progressing toward loving of our fellow man, I enter one of those threads and see the hate, still alive and well.

It keeps me fighting for my rights. It reminds me that the struggle for equal rights for homosexuals still has a LONG way to go... and it re-inspires me.

I believe there is minimal interest regarding your Human rights on this post .;)
 
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NewGuy101 said:
not the best time to joke about....this topic:doh:

There's never a wrong time to joke about this topic... Why do you think they call us "gay"? Because we like to laugh and joke and be happy...

So joke away...
 
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NewGuy101 said:
Not when it comes down to God and direct battle for his word.

That's where we differ... Loving God isn't a battle... There isn't a need to "win" God's love...

There's plenty of love from God for all of us.
 
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Sam Gamgee said:
That's where we differ... Loving God isn't a battle... There isn't a need to "win" God's love...

There's plenty of love from God for all of us.
Loving God isn't a battle, defending his Word is, especially against those who try to pervert scripture.

And I didn't say that we can win God's love, I don't know where you got that.
 
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Most Right wing Christians boil down everything to Abortion, Homosexuality and "Rapture" of the church as if all three are hinged to each other.

Personally I don't beleive in the "rapture".

Abortion is not condemned in the bible, in fact the bible says life starts at day 30 for a child.

Homosexuality is condemned but it is not a major sin of the bible. I mean it is not mentioned in every book as if God is reminding people it is wrong, but the Hebrews had no problem with it so it was needed to mention it once and that was it.

Most Homosexuals are non-Christians so why are we condemning them from a biblical stand point, they do not fall under the bible.

So Abortion and Homosexuality is a moot point as far as the bible is concern.
 
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Lovethroughintellect, I do understand what you are saying. That is not to say that issues like abortion and homosexuality aren't important - of course they are - but to perceive these things as above all else. If we take homosexuality, for instance, the Bible has no neurotic preoccupation with the issue. There are indeed passages that oppose it (some scholars would question whether they can be extrapolated to apply to monogamous, loving relationships.... etc. etc. etc...), but they are not as many as most people think. When people are dying in there millions in Africa owing to our greed and when we still have the poor with us, when the Western world is so excessively rich and exploitative, why aren't we focussing excessively on this issue? Let's not forget the elephant in the room, so to speak.
 
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lordvoldemort said:
Most Right wing Christians boil down everything to Abortion, Homosexuality and "Rapture" of the church as if all three are hinged to each other.

Personally I don't beleive in the "rapture".

Abortion is not condemned in the bible, in fact the bible says life starts at day 30 for a child.

Homosexuality is condemned but it is not a major sin of the bible. I mean it is not mentioned in every book as if God is reminding people it is wrong, but the Hebrews had no problem with it so it was needed to mention it once and that was it.

Most Homosexuals are non-Christians so why are we condemning them from a biblical stand point, they do not fall under the bible.

So Abortion and Homosexuality is a moot point as far as the bible is concern.
Poor reasoning. The rapture is a Biblical concept, although it's debatable what form it'll take.

Homosexuality is condemned only a few times because it wasn't an issue within Israel - you see it much more often in the NT because the scope of the message increased quite dramatically to be inclusive of other cultures and regions that did have issues with it. Nobody is condemning homosexuals, well, nobody with sound Biblical understanding. It's sinful, it should be treated like any other sin - within the Body of Christ.

Also, not everything relates back to homosexuality, abortion and the rapture - these are actually fairly small, in all respects to what most Christians spend a majority of their time discussing/contemplating. It's when people repeatedly bring it up from liberal perspectives that it becomes an issue.
 
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I beginning to get less and less interested in it. No one can change my view point and I can't change anyone elses. There is no point. I feel really sorry for the people who post threads because they have an honest question, because they get bombarded with two different sides to every question, and very little reason or Biblical referance to back either side up. No wonder everyone is so confused! They get on the internet to find answers rather than reading their Bible or asking their pastor.
It's sad that Christians can no longer agree on simple Biblical principles (Even salvation has 5 or 6 different view points).
I guess this is what the world in coming too. Personally, I'd rather tell people my experiaces (as unbiased as possible) and then point them to Bible to make their own descions. Not beat them in submission with Bible verses, odd reasoning and outragous scientific studies.

My two cents,
KT
 
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