is any sin greater than another?

[ps139]

For a long time now i have been wondering who that dude depicted on your avatar is. I always thought it was you until I saw your picture in OBOB.

Hehehe you are not the first to think that . It is Saint John Bosco. He lived in Italy in the 19th century and dedicated his life to bringing the Gospel to the young and the poor. He is an inspiration to me.

 

[d0c markus]

Well, its not my forum, and I clearly understand the rules that I cannot debate, hey it might be fun for you guys, you can refute me all you want and I can't answer back! .

I know dude thats why itd be sweet!

Hehehe you are not the first to think that . It is Saint John Bosco. He lived in Italy in the 19th century and dedicated his life to bringing the Gospel to the young and the poor. He is an inspiration to me.

In my opinion he should lose the hat, but other than that i think you've got a good inspiration.

 

[meg324]

ok, to sum up what I've read... (and correct me if I'm wrong here!!)

bleechers: "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin" but they almost always leave off the rest of that verse: "for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

I am interpreting that verse as we are not BOUND by sin (and he cannot sin, because he is born of God)
Since we ALL sin, we just need to be repentant of it and TRY not to sin. (as in a drug user go to NA or whatever)... but we are not bound by it because we have the gift of forgiveness, given to us by Christ when He died for all of our sins.

1 John 5:16-1716 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

"i do not say that he shall pray for it" - he should not pray for death? I'm a little confused by that verse, so if you could just tell me what he's not praying for...?? I'm not clear on it!!

And we can still sin (Can= it's possible, not can=allowed to) even though we may be trying not to.
As far as the venial/mortal sins.... well, I'm going to research that on my own and ask a friend who used to be baptist but converted, lol!!
But, in short, we CAN still be a christian if we are sinning - as long as we feel bad about it? Even if you sin for a long period of time - maybe when you've strayed?? We are just not bound by that sin, correct?

If anyone wants to correct me, feel free!!
I'm just trying to understand

 

[NBBC]

To me all sins are equal and not equal. They are equal in the sense that it is something that seperates you from god and is an offense to god, but some sins are more harsh than other, in my opinion.

 

[meg324]

NBBC, I too think that all sins are offensive to God, but some are more reprehensible in our eyes as humans... like those of a sexual or violent nature.

 

[d0c markus]

But, in short, we CAN still be a christian if we are sinning - as long as we feel bad about it? Even if you sin for a long period of time - maybe when you've strayed?? We are just not bound by that sin, correct?

If anyone wants to correct me, feel free!!
I'm just trying to understand

Yea, our God is a very gracious God. He garuntees us in writing that if we confess our sins then he is merciful and just to forgive us. If you have a consistent prayer life then repentance will also be consistent. In those moments I find thats when God shows/rebukes me what Im doing wrong and how to correct myself. Its bittersweet, i love confession and i hate it.

Besides if you have a relationship with God there is no way that you cannot feel conviction.

Plus being a Christian takes some elbow grease, we are to "train ourselves to be Godly" in that statement Paul makes a reference to the olympians of his day when competing meant life or death. If your making no effort then....

 

[Joshua Howard]

Speaking of general sin, regardless if it be murder and rape, or an unkind remark - Regardless of the seeming magnitude of any given sin, all sin is:

1. Worthy of death
2. Covered by the blood of Jesus

In the eyes of God, sin is sin, and all those who are bound to even a small sin are bound to the entire host of them.

 

[d0c markus]

Speaking of general sin, regardless if it be murder and rape, or an unkind remark - Regardless of the seeming magnitude of any given sin, all sin is:

1. Worthy of death
2. Covered by the blood of Jesus

In the eyes of God, sin is sin, and all those who are bound to even a small sin are bound to the entire host of them.

 

[d0c markus]

1 JN 5:16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

I'd still like to study this as i feel its being sorely neglected in here. For instance it seems that the sin that leads to death is singlular, IE maybe its referencing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit....

Also why does the brother need to pray that God will give life to the person who commits a sin that does not lead to death? If it doesnt lead to death, wont he have life?

Blast my commentaries are in boxes - I hate moving!

Ummm.... could you guys either take this private or to OBOB or a theology room? I don't want this thread to decay into a debate on venial sins... which will necessiate a futhrer decay into Purgatory... Indulgences... Veneration of "Saints"... Treasury of Merit... Trent... Antahemas... and other things best suited for other threads.

My fear is that if a doctrine is refuted here and quotes are required, it may be against the forum rules.

Just a suggestion before any rules are violated.

I didnt see this before:

In essence this thread is about venial/mortal sins already because thats what the thread is called "is any sin greater than another?" If thats not venial/mortal sins under the guise of another name I dont know what is .
We should not be afraid to discuss this theology amongst ourselves as we should learn, and edify one another.

 

[ps139]

In essence this thread is about venial/mortal sins already because thats what the thread is called "is any sin greater than another?" If thats not venial/mortal sins under the guise of another name I dont know what is .
We should not be afraid to discuss this theology amongst ourselves as we should learn, and edify one another.

Guys, I don't want to step any toes so if you want, work this out amongst yourselves. I dont want to act against someones wishes here. Doc if further discussion of this from me isnt welcome here, let me know we can continue this via PM.

 

[d0c markus]

Guys, I don't want to step any toes so if you want, work this out amongst yourselves. I dont want to act against someones wishes here. Doc if further discussion of this from me isnt welcome here, let me know we can continue this via PM.

Pass it my way Id like to hear what you got to say on this issue - i most likely wont debate you on it but it'd be good stuff to know.

 

[ps139]

"i do not say that he shall pray for it" - he should not pray for death? I'm a little confused by that verse, so if you could just tell me what he's not praying for...?? I'm not clear on it!!

1 JN 5:16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

Hey Meg, I think you misunderstood this verse but its an easy one to misunderstand as in this translation its not explicitly clear who "he" is. There are two people. The Christian praying for his brother in Christ, and the brother in Christ who has sinned. When John writes "I am not saying that he should pray about that," its does not mean "I am not saying that the sinner should pray for death," it really means "I am not saying that the Christian who did not sin should pray for the one who did commit the sin that leads to death." It is strange, to not pray for someone? But I think John says we should pray for those whose sins do not lead to death, but the ones who do sin that leads to death - well that is between him and the Lord, and our prayers for that are not so effective.

Thats what I think he means, I'm still not sure exactly why, but then again I'm not sure of a lot of things. What do you all think about that? Why would John not encourage us to pray for everyone?? I really do not know. And I hope I didn't confuse anyone more by this post!!

 

[meg324]

I think your explanation makes sense... why should we pray for someone else's repentance when we do not know their heart?
ANd also it reminded me of how Jesus said (in reference to Matthew when people asked him why he was with someone like a tax collector) that it is not the well who need a doctor, but the sick.... I'm not sure how I made that leap, but it just reminded me of that.
We need to pray for our brethren - but maybe we shouldn't worry about their sins b/c it's between them & God? They need to seek it on their own?

It makes much more sense thought that you mentioned who "he" is