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Is an Open Border Policy a Biblical Mandate?

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Jesus never said a country had to have open borders and not be selective in who they let in.

They didn’t change countries. Ireland to Scotland is a change of countries.
They went from Judea to Egypt. Yes, they were both "Ruled" by Caesar.

Ireland and Scotland are both subject to the King of England.
 
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Jesus never said a country had to have open borders and not be selective in who they let in.
What Jesus told us to do as people and what he would WANT for us to do as a country are the exact opposite then, I suppose?
 
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Wow. That has nothing to do with being a guest.

Are you just searching for Biblical verses that justify poor treatment of other humans regardless of reason?
 
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Funny that that is your preset...
I ere on the "for some have entertained angels unaware".....and the whole "whatever you do for the least of these". AFAIK, I'd think that would include what is in your heart.
 
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What can one read into the Bible and God's word about spam telephone calls which are quite annoying to many of us? The telephone network border blocking many spam and criminal overseas calls is STIR/SHAKEN implemented in recent years, to block especially many international calls with fake caller IDs. There are still mouse holes in such a virtual border, though better implemented by the major carriers vs. smaller carriers as reading this report TNS 2024 Robocall Investigation Report Out Now, Press Release I TNS .
 
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I think Israel has borders when the Creator Says So. (in line with and harmony with all of His Word and Plan in The Messiah Yahshua (Who most of the world willfully rejects) ) .
It seems to me that if Israel has borders and defends them, other countries also have that right. Under the new covenant, there is no distinction or partiality in God's eyes between persons and nationalities.

Acts 10:33-35 Then Peter began to speak to them: “I truly understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

Romans 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and is generous to all who call on him.
 
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So, ISTM, according to your posting of this scripture passage, you think people are supposed to be pacifists while their lives are ruined because it is God's will?

If people are trying to harm us or our relatives, this is God's will, so we shouldn't put forward a defense?

I think Jesus told his apostles to take two swords with them to the Garden of Gethsemane so that they could defend themselves and those apostles with them. Peter did not realize, however, that he was not supposed to defend Jesus because Jesus' time had come for him to be crucified.

Luke 22:35-38 He said to them, “When I sent you out without a purse, bag, or sandals, did you lack anything?” 36 They said, “No, not a thing.” He said to them, “But now, the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag. And the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one. 37 For I tell you, this scripture must be fulfilled in me, ‘And he was counted among the lawless’; and indeed what is written about me is being fulfilled.” 38 They said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” He replied, “It is enough.

Matthew 26:51-53 Suddenly, one of those with Jesus put his hand on his sword, drew it, and struck the slave of the high priest, cutting off his ear. 52 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?

John 18:10-11 Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it, struck the high priest’s slave, and cut off his right ear. The slave’s name was Malchus. 11 Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword back into its sheath. Am I not to drink the cup that the Father has given me?



This is what happens when millions of people who do not share a country's culture are welcomed into another country by its government for altruistic reasons:

The Camel's Nose In The Tent

One cold night, as an Arab sat in his tent, a camel gently thrust his nose under the flap and looked in. "Master," he said, "let me put my nose in your tent. It's cold and stormy out here." "By all means," said the Arab, "and welcome" as he turned over and went to sleep.
A little later the Arab awoke to find that the camel had not only put his nose in the tent but his head and neck also. The camel, who had been turning his head from side to side, said, "I will take but little more room if I place my forelegs within the tent. It is difficult standing out here." "Yes, you may put your forelegs within," said the Arab, moving a little to make room, for the tent was small.
Finally, the camel said, "May I not stand wholly inside? I keep the tent open by standing as I do." "Yes, yes," said the Arab. "Come wholly inside. Perhaps it will be better for both of us." So the camel crowded in. The Arab with difficulty in the crowded quarters again went to sleep. When he woke up the next time, he was outside in the cold and the camel had the tent to himself. Copied and pasted from this Link.​
 
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I am not aware that I or anyone I personally know has done anything prideful or disobedient to the point that our actions are calling down G-d's wrath upon us.

I know I will defend myself and those I love to the best of my ability if we are attacked. I decided this course of action when I was car-jacked at gun-point many years ago. I also learned at that time that I would not feel guilty if the attackers died due to their injuries.

Deuteronomy 28:41- You shall have sons and daughters, but they shall not remain yours, for they shall go into captivity. 42 All your trees and the fruit of your ground the cicada shall take over. 43 Aliens residing among you shall ascend above you higher and higher, while you shall descend lower and lower. 44 They shall lend to you but you shall not lend to them; they shall be the head and you shall be the tail. 45 All these curses shall come upon you, pursuing and overtaking you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the Lord your God, by observing the commandments and the decrees that he commanded you.
 
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If God wanted closed borders, baby Jesus would have been blocked at the Egyptian border and killed by Herod's soldiers.

God knows firsthand the dangers refugees are fleeing from.

And that is what the Bible is showing me.
And he shows me the dangers of letting strangers into my home.
 
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They came into my neighborhood and took over. Stealing, lying, threatening, trespassing. Torture and killing my cats. They ruined their own country and will do the same to yours. They are like a plague. You'll see.
 
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If someone leaves Texas and goes to Oklahoma, they aren’t refugees by this definition. That’s the proper analogy I made.

That's a common definition, so is this: Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words, and this: Definition of REFUGEE

But for the sake of argument, let's just agree with you; what would you call the Holy Family taking refuge in Egypt away from Herod? If they aren't refugees, they are what? What's the term you'd use?

Nah, I don’t think it’s wrong. Just because you say it’s wrong doesn’t mean it is.

You're right, just because I say it's wrong doesn't make it wrong.

But according to God's word, it's wrong. According to Jesus Christ, it's wrong. According to two thousand years of Christian moral teaching, it's wrong.

So really, it's a question of whether I should base my understanding of right and wrong on an exterior authority, and if that external authority is reliable? As a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ, a member of His Holy Church, I believe that certain external authorities are reliable: Chief among them being Holy and Sacred Scripture, comprised of the Old and New Testament Canons, based upon the received tradition of the Church on the authority, infallibility, and primacy of the Scriptures as the rule and norm of Christian faith, practice, and morals.

And according to the Scriptures it is of chief importance to God how we treat other people, especially the least of these; and among these include the foreigner. It is of such great importance that Christ tells us that at His coming in Judgment how we regard and treat the least of these is how we shall be judged. And St. James in his epistle condemns showing partiality, and rebukes the wickedness of the tongue which can simultaneously offer praise to God while cursing our neighbor made in His image. Throughout the Scriptures the treatment of others, not only by our actions and words, but also the internal disposition of our heart, is a matter of great importance to God. By this we are marked as God's people, it is a matter of righteousness, of holiness, and devotion to God.

True religion, says St. James, is in how we act toward the fatherless and the widow. And, surely we ought to remember also the words of Christ our God in His condemnation of religious hypocrites to whom He talks about washing only the outside of the cup, or who are white-washed sepulchers.

Ultimately, as I see it, this boils down to something very simple: Is Jesus Christ Lord? And if He is, then shouldn't that mean something? Or is our religiosity just a facade, something we can use to bully others with whom we disagree; something cheap and tacky that makes us feel better about ourselves, which demands nothing of us, which costs us nothing, but which we can use to seek our flesh and continue to be collaborators with the devil, with death, and our own willful destruction ending in wrath and judgment? Grace ought to compel us to service and a life of grace; but if grace isn't reason enough to seek a life of righteousness in light of God's love for us sinners; then surely the wrath and judgment of God ought to cause us to pause and wonder about our intentions. Or shall we not fear God? Shall we neither love nor fear God, neither shall we take seriously the grace we have received in His Gospel; nor take seriously the commands He has given that we should live rightly and humbly? If our religion is merely a nicely polished sepulcher--with nothing living but only death within--then it is worthless religious, good only as kindling for the Day of Judgment.

And yet, St. Paul beheld trouble that would beset the Church, "For people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of religion, but denying its power."

I pray for a Church that would both love and fear God. Where the word of God is proclaimed boldly and without compromise. Where grace is preached, and repentance, that we should grieve and sorrow over our sin, and make sincere and contrite confession before God.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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They came into my neighborhood and took over. Stealing, lying, threatening, trespassing. Torture and killing my cats. They ruined their own country and will do the same to yours. They are like a plague. You'll see.
 
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But according to God's word, it's wrong. According to Jesus Christ, it's wrong. According to two thousand years of Christian moral teaching, it's wrong.
There is nowhere in the Bible that says wanting a stricter immigration policy is wrong.
 
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So, if these "refugees" come to steal, kill, destroy, and outlaw Christianity, is that God's will? We should not prevent them from coming in?
 
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The majority of illegal immigrants are Christians coming from countries with higher religiosity than the US. I suppose you could try scaremongering about the wrong type of Christianity if you’re interested in accuracy…
 
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