Is all pain in hell unbearable?

[User94]

If it's any comfort to you, I think there is reason to suppose that the individual in the Lake of Fire will hardly resemble what they were thought of during this temporal life. All graces of God removed, he will be ONLY corruption.

I wish I could say that it was comforting to me, but it isn’t when I read that Jesus said something along the lines of “HELL IS FOREVER! All who enter hell- abandon all hope! The horror of hell- for even one second is unbearable- but FOREVER.”

 

[Mark Quayle]

If I understand this correctly you are suggesting that due to the changes that occur in languages over time we can't really know/understand what the ancient N.T. writers really meant when they wrote.

You misunderstand my point. I am not saying we can't know at all. We know a lot. Not only that, but even if nobody knew Greek, eventually a good assembling of terms and language could be derived, like reading code. My point is that no matter whether the Greek Orthodox have kept the Greek 2000 years, there will be a lack of comprehension of some ideas.

If that is correct I suggest, just as English speakers today know what e.g. the KJV writers meant when they used words which have changed in meaning or dropped out of use altogether, the native Greek speakers who translated the EOB know the meaning of the ancient Greek words.

There are things in modern day we say, assuming without even thinking about it that the reader understands the implications we understand. If I write my brother, saying, "Yeah, he gave her the keys", he knows who 'she' is, he knows who 'he' is, he knows what the keys are to, and that that is a problem, and why it is a problem, and he can almost SEE my eyeroll from the other side of the country. A stranger reading it could only guess. 2000 years from now, or only 50, a reader might have to look up articles on the word, 'key' and would conclude that some guy had given some girl access to his heart. Yet the language is English throughout.

 

[Psalm 27]

Is all pain in hell unbearable? Or is some more tolerable than other pain?
I’ve been told before that it’s possible that you can be in agonizing pain but without it being more than you can bear. Is this possible? What do you think? Should someone who’s there for lust feel the same as someone who sinned really bad? I just don’t think god would make all pain there unbearable.

Matthew 13:42 Jesus also repeats this in verse 50. He didn't reiterate messages for nothing. It's harsh, but scarily true

 

[Mark Quayle]

I wish I could say that it was comforting to me, but it isn’t when I read that Jesus said something along the lines of “HELL IS FOREVER! All who enter hell- abandon all hope! The horror of hell- for even one second is unbearable- but FOREVER.”

I am pretty sure that the concept of forever cannot be assessed accurately from a time-frame, i.e. from this temporal life. I'm of the notion that it is a question of intensity, or reality, more than "long long time". One reason I think that is because Christ bore my penalty, but he did not stay there. He paid it, and by principle of who he is, is alive again.

I think despair will be there, certainly, but not the passage of time. At least, not as we experience now.

 

[Saint Steven]

They say that Basque, a language from the mountains north of Spain, is not related to Germanic, Romantic, or any other known language. It is its own, which, for example, English is not. But Basque is morphing, all the same. The very meanings of words are changing because the use of them is changing.

Thanks.
I suppose that those who developed and spoke Basque isolated themselves from the outside world. The language didn't migrate in or out. Now that they are no longer so isolated, the morphing would be the natural outcome.

 

[Saint Steven]

Overall, from what I’ve read and what Jesus actually said.. it’s not looking good to be someone in hell. I guess I was partially wrong. Maybe some of it is bearable, but more and more facts point to the likelihood that nothing there will be able to be endured.

None of us has read what Jesus actually said. (likely in Aramaic) Which was translated into Greek. And likely an oral tradition before it was written down some 30 years later. Two of the gospels nearly identical to Mark. When we finally got it in English it had a strong doctrinal bias applied. If the canon and translation happened in the east instead of the west, we would have a very different book. Here's an example of the translation issues.

Aionios mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46.

All these verses below use the same NT Greek word, "aionios", the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46. See bold below. This shows that "aionios" cannot mean eternal or everlasting.

Matthew 13:22
The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.

Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Ephesians 2:2
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

Galatians 1:4-5 KJV
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Galatians 1:4-5 KJV
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Compare: Matthew 12:32; Mark 10:30; Luke 18:30; Luke 20:35; Ephesians 1:21

Luke 18:29-30
“Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”

Aionios, the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in the Bible (eternal hell?)

 

[Lazarus Short]

"Pain in Hell"?

Have you not read Genesis 1:1? "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." There is NO mention of the creation of "hell" anywhere in the Bible, and I defy anyone to find it. It is fiction, whether in Dante, Milton, Baxter or Norse mythology. Epic poetry, even when awesome, is still fiction, along with endless cartoons, movies, novels and works of theology depicting "hell."

 

[Psalm 27]

"Pain in Hell"?

Have you not read Genesis 1:1? "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." There is NO mention of the creation of "hell" anywhere in the Bible, and I defy anyone to find it. It is fiction, whether in Dante, Milton, Baxter or Norse mythology. Epic poetry, even when awesome, is still fiction, along with endless cartoons, movies, novels and works of theology depicting "hell."

Jesus talked about hell

 

[Lazarus Short]

Jesus talked about hell

Jesus never uttered the word - it (hell) was inserted later. Did He speak Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin or KJV English?

 

[Psalm 27]

Jesus never uttered the word - it (hell) was inserted later. Did He speak Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin or KJV English?

“Don’t fear those who kill the body,” Jesus said, “rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matt 10:28; see also 5:29-30; 23:15,33; Luke 10:15; 16:23).

 

[Lazarus Short]

“Don’t fear those who kill the body,” Jesus said, “rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matt 10:28; see also 5:29-30; 23:15,33; Luke 10:15; 16:23).

That should have been rendered as "gehenna" rather than "hell." Gehenna is a real place you can visit today, so doesn't that put a different spin on things?

 

[User94]

Well, the whole point of me starting this thread was to find out whether all pain in hell is unbearable.. and I got my answer- yes. To keep it simple..