Is all pain in hell unbearable?

[User94]

Is all pain in hell unbearable? Or is some more tolerable than other pain?
I’ve been told before that it’s possible that you can be in agonizing pain but without it being more than you can bear. Is this possible? What do you think? Should someone who’s there for lust feel the same as someone who sinned really bad? I just don’t think god would make all pain there unbearable.

 

[wendykvw]

Would depend on the pain your refer is it physical or spiritual, or emotional pain?

 

[User94]

Would depend on the pain your refer is it physical or spiritual, or emotional pain?

I guess spiritual and emotional pain

 

[BobRyan]

Is all pain in hell unbearable? Or is some more tolerable than other pain?
I’ve been told before that it’s possible that you can be in agonizing pain, because there are different levels but without it being more than you can bear. Is this possible? What do you think?

Luke 12 says some get few torments in that lake of fire and brimstone "fiery hell" and others get many , depending on how much they know and what they did.

46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?​

what you don't see there is "infinite torment for all"

 

[Saint Steven]

I guess spiritual and emotional pain

Hebrews 12:11 NIV
No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

 

[wendykvw]

I guess spiritual and emotional pain

Spiritual pain or emotional would be hard but it would be medicinal. In the natural world I think we can experience both but ultimately it is transforming in a good way…
6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in various trials 7so that the proven character of your faith—more precious than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 1:6-7

 

[BobRyan]

Would depend on the pain your refer is it physical or spiritual, or emotional pain?

In John 11 - Jesus says all the pain and suffering Lazarus experienced before his death was not even worthy to be called death at all - and the real suffering due Lazarus was the 2nd death that he is spared because of Christ's death in our place.... So it is supernatural and it likely "includes" all the above among other things.

 

[wendykvw]

Hebrews 12:11 NIV
No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

Amen

 

[wendykvw]

In John 11 - Jesus says all the pain and suffering Lazarus experienced before his death was not even worthy to be called death at all - and the real suffering due Lazarus was the 2nd death that he is spared because of Christ's death in our place.... So it is supernatural and it likely "includes" all the above among other things.

Great insight thank you for sharing.

 

[BobRyan]

Hebrews 12:11 NIV
No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

the lake of fire -- fiery hell -- is not "discipline". Discipline is for correction and character building. That is not the function of fiery hell.

Matt 10:28 "fear Him who is able to destroy both body and soul in fiery hell".

It is punishment.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Is all pain in hell unbearable? Or is some more tolerable than other pain?
I’ve been told before that it’s possible that you can be in agonizing pain, because there are different levels but without it being more than you can bear. Is this possible? What do you think?

I think it's kind of analogous to the fact that gift of salvific faith, which is by the Spirit of God, can be in different measure to different people, yet be completely valid and capable if we have it at all.

I think that the punishment will be complete, but in precise and thorough measure with the crime.

 

[Saint Steven]

I think it's kind of analogous to the fact that gift of salvific faith, which is by the Spirit of God, can be in different measure to different people, yet be completely valid and capable if we have it at all.

It might depend somewhat on whether you were saved from a mud puddle or the deep blue sea.

 

[Mark Quayle]

It might depend somewhat on whether you were saved from a mud puddle or the deep blue sea.

That's a reasonable way to put it, except that the degree of punishment, (or in the saved, of the joy), is unspeakable, regardless of the mud puddle vs the deep blue sea.

 

[Der Alte]

But here is what Jesus, Himself said with supporting scripture.

EOB Matthew:25:46 When he will answer them, saying: ‘Amen, I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These [ones on the left] will go away into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] punishment, [κόλασις/kolasis] but the righteous into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.”​

Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church since its inception, 2000 years +/- ago. Who better than the team of; native Greek speaking scholars, who translated the Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible [EOB] know the correct meaning of the Greek words in the N.T.?
Link to EOB online:
The New Testament ( The Eastern-Greek Orthodox Bible) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
…..The Greek word “kolasis” occurs only twice in the N.T., #1. Matt 25:46 and the second occurrence is 1 John 4:18.

EOB 1 John 4:18 here is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear is connected with punishment.[ κόλασις/kolasis] But the one who fears is not yet perfect in love.​

Note the native Greek speaking Eastern Orthodox Greek scholars who translated the EOB translated “aionios” as “eternal,” NOT age.
The Greek word "kolasis" is translated “punishment” in Matt 25:46. Some folks claim “kolasis” really means “prune” or “correction” but according to the EOB Greek scholars it means “punishment.” 1 John 4:18 there is no correction, the one with “kolasis” is not made perfect.

 

[Mark Quayle]

But here is what Jesus, Himself said with supporting scripture.
EOB Matthew:25:46 When he will answer them, saying: ‘Amen, I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These [ones on the left] will go away into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] punishment, [κόλασις/kolasis] but the righteous into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.”Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church since its inception, 2000 years +/- ago. Who better than the team of; native Greek speaking scholars, who translated the Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible [EOB] know the correct meaning of the Greek words in the N.T.?

Languages necessarily morph. It is unavoidable. Many things assumed by the moderns will not have been meant by the ancients, and vice versa, that the thing meant by the ancients will not make its way through to the moderns. Nevertheless, there are going to be certain insights, I expect usually by meaning of root words, or by fragments of ancient Greek worldviews remaining, that would lend themselves to the modern's translations.

 

[Saint Steven]

Languages necessarily morph. It is unavoidable. Many things assumed by the moderns will not have been meant by the ancients, and vice versa, that the thing meant by the ancients will not make its way through to the moderns. Nevertheless, there are going to be certain insights, I expect usually by meaning of root words, or by fragments of ancient Greek worldviews remaining, that would lend themselves to the modern's translations.

True.
When I visited Belgium, the language was Flemish. Which was described as a cross between French and Dutch, France and the Netherlands being the neighboring countries.

 

[Der Alte]

Languages necessarily morph. It is unavoidable. Many things assumed by the moderns will not have been meant by the ancients, and vice versa, that the thing meant by the ancients will not make its way through to the moderns. Nevertheless, there are going to be certain insights, I expect usually by meaning of root words, or by fragments of ancient Greek worldviews remaining, that would lend themselves to the modern's translations.

If I understand this correctly you are suggesting that due to the changes that occur in languages over time we can't really know/understand what the ancient N.T. writers really meant when they wrote.
If that is correct I suggest, just as English speakers today know what e.g. the KJV writers meant when they used words which have changed in meaning or dropped out of use altogether, the native Greek speakers who translated the EOB know the meaning of the ancient Greek words.
Often the meaning of words can be understood by how they are used. For example,

John 10:28
(28) I give them eternal [αιωνιον/aionion] life, and they shall never
[εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα/ eis ton aiona][lit. unto eternity] perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.​

In this verse Jesus parallels “aiona” with “[not] snatch them out of my hand.” If “aionios” means “age(s), a finite period,” that is not the opposite of “[not] snatch them out of my hand’” “Aionios life” by definition here means “eternal life.”

John 3:15
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal [aionion] life.
John 3:16
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting [aionion] life.​

In these two verses Jesus parallels “aionion” with “should not perish,” twice! Believers could eventually perish in a finite period, thus by definition “aionion life” here means eternal or everlasting life.

 

[User94]

Overall, from what I’ve read and what Jesus actually said.. it’s not looking good to be someone in hell. I guess I was partially wrong. Maybe some of it is bearable, but more and more facts point to the likelihood that nothing there will be able to be endured.

 

[Mark Quayle]

True.
When I visited Belgium, the language was Flemish. Which was described as a cross between French and Dutch, France and the Netherlands being the neighboring countries.

They say that Basque, a language from the mountains north of Spain, is not related to Germanic, Romantic, or any other known language. It is its own, which, for example, English is not. But Basque is morphing, all the same. The very meanings of words are changing because the use of them is changing.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Overall, from what I’ve read and what Jesus actually said.. it’s not looking good to be someone in hell. I guess I was partially wrong. Maybe some of it is bearable, but more and more facts point to the likelihood that nothing there will be able to be endured.

If it's any comfort to you, I think there is reason to suppose that the individual in the Lake of Fire will hardly resemble what they were thought of during this temporal life. All graces of God removed, he will be ONLY corruption.