Is Abortion Murder?

[2ducklow]

Nah, it's not good , but it's not murder. Murder has to be killing someone who came out of the womb. before they come out of the womb, they don't have a soul. the soul is in the lungs, and the lungs don't breath in the soul until the baby is born, thus that is when life begins, with a slap on the babys rear from the doc.
killing fetuses is not a lot dif. than killing a fetus of a cow or a horse or a chicken. But on moral grounds it is wrong to terminate a pregnancy, except in the case of the life of the mother, or if it will be horribly deformed, or in the case of rape. shoot if abortion is wrong because it kills a fetus, then everytime a woman douches after sex , she would sometimes be commiting murder. and that can't be.

Actually it only really matters about abortion if one is a christian, moraly. There are much worse things that the unsaved need to worry about before they get saved than abortion, IMO. Christians should be trying to do the right stuff, and having an abortion, although not murder, isn't the right stuff.

just my thoughst on the subject.

 

[HuntingMan]

Its murder if its not done in 'self defense'...ie, if the womans life isnt in danger.

 

[April Angel]

Nah, it's not good , but it's not murder. Murder has to be killing someone who came out of the womb.

Not according to the law. A man who caused the death of an unborn fetus was charged with murder and sentenced accordingly.

http://mcchronicle.com/Articles/Mar07/Art_Mar07_05.html

before they come out of the womb, they don't have a soul. the soul is in the lungs, and the lungs don't breath in the soul until the baby is born, thus that is when life begins, with a slap on the babys rear from the doc.

Aborted fetuses (babies) breathe for a few minutes before dying.

killing fetuses is not a lot dif. than killing a fetus of a cow or a horse or a chicken. But on moral grounds it is wrong to terminate a pregnancy, except in the case of the life of the mother, or if it will be horribly deformed, or in the case of rape.

A human fetus is, just that - a human 'young one'. Not a horse, cow or chicken. Therefore, at a certain stage of pregnancy, by law, it is murder.

shoot if abortion is wrong because it kills a fetus, then everytime a woman douches after sex , she would sometimes be commiting murder. and that can't be.

The term 'fetus' is used to describe an unborn human from the age of 8 weeks gestation. That is when the woman is 10 weeks pregnant.

Douching is generally practised to get rid of sperm not fetuses. Even if douching could effect the unborn, it is unlikely to cause any damage once the embryo has become a fetus. The only possible entity which could be affected by douching would be a fertilized egg.

 

[2ducklow]

Not according to the law. A man who caused the death of an unborn fetus was charged with murder and sentenced accordingly.



Aborted fetuses (babies) breathe for a few minutes before dying.



A human fetus is, just that - a human 'young one'. Not a horse, cow or chicken. Therefore, at a certain stage of pregnancy, by law, it is murder.



The term 'fetus' is used to describe an unborn human from the age of 8 weeks gestation. That is when the woman is 10 weeks pregnant.

Douching is generally practised to get rid of sperm not fetuses. Even if douching could effect the unborn, it is unlikely to cause any damage once the embryo has become a fetus. The only possible entity which could be affected by douching would be a fertilized egg.

Well there ya go. if a woman douches to get rid of a ferrilized egg, and does, then it is murder if killing a fetus is murder. when does life begin? at the 2cell phase? first trimester, second ? when? it has to be either at conception or at birth, life beginning at birth is the only thing that makes sense.

whooops, i made a mistake. it is the spirit that is in the lungs, the soul is in the blood/heart.
but we receive our soul in our blood when we receive our human spirit in our lungs. so an dieing fetus taking a few gulps of breath, doesn't mean it got it's spirit and soul at that time. it was done before time.

 

[BrBob]

he soul is in the lungs, and the lungs don't breath in the soul until the baby is born, thus that is when life begins, with a slap on the babys rear from the doc.

Where in the world did you get that piece of wisdom? I also read your "oops" and it doesn't substantially alter my question.

Bob
Spearfish, SD

 

[HuntingMan]

thus that is when life begins, with a slap on the babys rear from the doc.

My own experience would cause me to very seriously doubt this statement.

When my ex was pregnant with our daughter, I bought a childrens bible stories book. Each evening from early on in the pregnancy I read a story from that book to my unborn daughter and would always say her name a lot while I was reading.

When she was born the doctor gave her that slap on her rear and she started screaming as they do and so they finished with her tossing a pretty good fit.
They wrapped her in a baby blanket and then set her on this steel cart next to me. She was still going nuts at that point. Im not sure how common it is for the baby to keep screaming like that, but she did.
The nurse pushed the cart over next to me where I could see her. Her eyes were open at that point.

All I did was say her name using the same tone that I had all those months of reading to her and she immediately got quiet.

Now, some folks dismiss it and thats ok with me, believe what one wishes to, but Im sorry if I believe that my daughter knew my voice from BEFORE she was slapped on the rear...

 

[2ducklow]

My own experience would cause me to very seriously doubt this statement.

When my ex was pregnant with our daughter, I bought a childrens bible stories book. Each evening from early on in the pregnancy I read a story from that book to my unborn daughter and would always say her name a lot while I was reading.

When she was born the doctor gave her that slap on her rear and she started screaming as they do and so they finished with her tossing a pretty good fit.
They wrapped her in a baby blanket and then set her on this steel cart next to me. She was still going nuts at that point. Im not sure how common it is for the baby to keep screaming like that, but she did.
The nurse pushed the cart over next to me where I could see her. Her eyes were open at that point.

All I did was say her name using the same tone that I had all those months of reading to her and she immediately got quiet.

Now, some folks dismiss it and thats ok with me, believe what one wishes to, but Im sorry if I believe that my daughter knew my voice from BEFORE she was slapped on the rear...

well yea, the fetus after it's developed to a certain stage can sense certain things. doesn't mean it's a human yet though. the stuff was just stored in the fetus brain memory, which the soul utilized when she was born.

 

[Jerrell]

Alot of people like to fancy themselves to speak for the dead, but the dead cannot speak, they cannot justify themselves. And it's sad when the living choose whether another human being should live or die. Willful killing is murder, planning out this willful killing is also murder. There is NO GOOD REASON for abortion besides a few. If someone does not want to have a child, don't unzip your pants and don't open your thighs...if you do do it however, willfull murder is NOT justified. The Baby has a right to live, to end it is murder.

 

[Jerrell]

It's sickening to try to justify abortion by trying to say they're not human. It's really like pulling at straws- it it really justifiable to say it's alright to kill something if it's not human? Plus, it a frog fetus a frog? Is a Dog fetus a Dog? Is a Crocidile fetus a Crocidile? We were all once fetus, and we were given a chance to live. If you want to justify abortion why don't you trade places with that fetus and reverse the role, have yourself done away with and allow the fetus to live- if you do that you may change your opinion. But of course you can't... Genetics says that at Conception EVERYTHING about that baby is decided by the DNA at the exact moment the Father and Mother's DNA combine. One need not like like a human to be human. An apple seed is an APPLE seed, although it does not look like an apple.

 

[HuntingMan]

well yea, the fetus after it's developed to a certain stage can sense certain things. doesn't mean it's a human yet though. the stuff was just stored in the fetus brain memory, which the soul utilized when she was born.

....in your opinion and best 'guess' that you can make as someone who cannot possibly know for sure what you are claiming.

Are you an expert in the area of when God creates a soul and puts it into the flesh?
Until you become that expert, you are just another nameless, faceless forum poster expressing your best 'guess' on the matter, nothing more...

 

[BAFRIEND]

Yes, abortion is murder.

 

[happyfreak14]

There is NO GOOD REASON for abortion besides a few

do you have any idea how funny that sounds?

 

[2ducklow]

Where in the world did you get that piece of wisdom? I also read your "oops" and it doesn't substantially alter my question.

Bob
Spearfish, SD

from the bible. the hebrew word for spirit is breath, and jesus said that the spirit is like the wind,, therefore the spirit is in the lungs, for the lungs suck air into the body.

the bible says that the life (soul) is in the blood, thus the soul is in the blood, and centered in the heart where it's pumped around.


betcha didn't know that.

 

[2ducklow]

Yes, abortion is murder.

nope, it's just wrong, not murder though. It's not murder till the babe is born.

 

[BrBob]

Duck, have you ever heard of metaphorical speech? Or maybe man explaining something the best he knows how?

A spirit is like a breath in that you can't see it, feel it, smell it or any other quantitative sensory measure.

Come on. I think you are trolling.

Bob
Spearfish, SD

 

[2ducklow]

Duck, have you ever heard of metaphorical speech? Or maybe man explaining something the best he knows how?

A spirit is like a breath in that you can't see it, feel it, smell it or any other quantitative sensory measure.

Come on. I think you are trolling.

Bob
Spearfish, SD

Well Mr. Bob, your guess is as good as mine to where the spirit and soul are in our bodys. I think it's a very good possibility that the spirit is in the lungs and the soul is in the blood for more reasons than I gave, such as the verse that speaks of the blood of a dead man crying out for him. it is the soul in the b lood crying out not the b lood.

Genesis 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.


and the life (soul) is in the blood.

Genesis 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

pretty solid evidence that the soul is in the blood if you ask me. so since the blood houses the soul, and the spirit is breath or wind it's only natural that the spirit would occupy a different spot than the soul and the lungs seems like the most likely candidate.

 

[ALiberalTeen]

No, it isn't. But it's still wrong.

 

[Ave Maria]

Yes, abortion is murder. It may not be murder in the legal sense but in the moral sense, it is murder.

(TNIV) Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder.

How can it get more clear than that?

 

[2ducklow]

Yes, abortion is murder. It may not be murder in the legal sense but in the moral sense, it is murder.

(TNIV) Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder.

How can it get more clear than that?

a fetus is like an animal. it isn't a human being till it is born when it receives its human spirit. abortion is wrong but not murder. having an abortion is not the same thing as getting a gun and going out and killing someone. I bet lots of christian women douche after sex for the sole purpose of dislodging a possible fertilized egg. if abortion is murder then there are lots of christian women murderers in church. God aborts children, the body naturall aborts eggs that are fertilized but not healthy., it's a natural process.

 

[jad123]

a fetus is like an animal. it isn't a human being till it is born when it receives its human spirit. abortion is wrong but not murder. having an abortion is not the same thing as getting a gun and going out and killing someone. I bet lots of christian women douche after sex for the sole purpose of dislodging a possible fertilized egg. if abortion is murder then there are lots of christian women murderers in church. God aborts children, the body naturall aborts eggs that are fertilized but not healthy., it's a natural process.

An animal????? So a child gets it soul at birth. So as it travels down it stops at Souls R Us and picks one up. AS for douching this isn't 1950. Woman today should realize that douching is not a birth control method and will not prevent pregnancy. And a miscarriage and an abortion are not the same thing.