Is abortion morally wrong? A point of view.

[SPF]

This was the only reference to what Sai had to say about abortion in the book 'A Compendium of the Teachings of Sathya Sai Baba'

When asked the question, " When does the soul enter the body? " , He replied,

" The soul enters the body on or after the fifth month. " When asked about

abortion after the fifth month, He answered: " No abortion! ". When asked about

abortion before the fifth month, He said, " No! No! Even before - abortion is

bad... Mind control...Use mind control. " Journey to God, Part II, P 88

Right, can you provide support for the assertion that the soul enters the body around the 5th month? Did God or whatever you think God is tell this person you’re quoting? Should we consider the words of this man to be absolute in authority?

 

[Carlos234]

It isn't my place to say whether or not you should believe in something. It's up to you to form your own opinion after an open-minded analysis of what's been written. God never never told Him anything. He is God Himself. He is an avatar. An avatar (Sanskrit: अवतार, IAST: avatāra), a concept in Sanatan Dharma that means "descent", refers to the material appearance or incarnation of a deity on Earth. So of-course His words to me are absolute in authority. If you wish to know more about Him I can provide you with a few links.

 

[Carlos234]

Right, can you provide support for the assertion that the soul enters the body around the 5th month? Did God or whatever you think God is tell this person you’re quoting? Should we consider the words of this man to be absolute in authority?

It isn't my place to say whether or not you should believe in something. It's up to you to form your own opinion after an open-minded analysis of what's been written. God never never told Him anything. He is God Himself. He is an avatar. An avatar (Sanskrit: अवतार, IAST: avatāra), a concept in Sanatan Dharma that means "descent", refers to the material appearance or incarnation of a deity on Earth. So of-course His words to me are absolute in authority. If you wish to know more about Him I can provide you with a few links.

 

[Strathos]

It isn't my place to say whether or not you should believe in something. It's up to you to form your own opinion after an open-minded analysis of what's been written. God never never told Him anything. He is God Himself. He is an avatar. An avatar (Sanskrit: अवतार, IAST: avatāra), a concept in Sanatan Dharma that means "descent", refers to the material appearance or incarnation of a deity on Earth. So of-course His words to me are absolute in authority. If you wish to know more about Him I can provide you with a few links.

There is only one human being who was God incarnate on earth, and His name isn't Sathya Sai Baba.

 

[Rajni]

Well, as far as my womb is concerned, tie goes to the runner. If
you're conceived there, the umpire yells, "You're safe!". But I’m
not anyone else's judge, jury, or executioner. That said, it has
been argued -- and from a biblical standpoint -- that life begins
at breath rather than conception. I forget the verse cited which
suggests / implies this, but it’s in there. I'm sure there are other
verses that contradict that, though... you know how it is.

 

[SPF]

it has
been argued -- and from a biblical standpoint -- that life begins
at breath rather than conception. I forget the verse cited which
suggests / implies this, but it’s in there.

It's actually... not... in there.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The soul enters the body on or after the fifth month

How do you know this?
What evidence can you present to support this claim?

 

[Carlos234]

How do you know this?
What evidence can you present to support this claim?

I've already given my answer to this, just scroll through. If you're looking for physical evidence then that I cannot provide.

 

[Tinker Grey]

I've already given my answer to this, just scroll through. If you're looking for physical evidence then that I cannot provide.

Then why assert it? Are you expecting us to believe mere assertions?

 

[Carlos234]

There is only one human being who was God incarnate on earth, and His name isn't Sathya Sai Baba.

This was meant to be a reply to someone else. Sry.

 

[Carlos234]

Then why assert it? Are you expecting us to believe mere assertions?

No, the fact that someone who is believed to be God on Earth, said such a thing, I'm expecting one to read and at least find some comfort in the words and if possible clear up a bit of confusion. Surely everyone isn't you.

 

[Tinker Grey]

@Carlos234, surely you understand that the number of people on this board who believe that the Sathya Sai Baba is god on earth is so small that it is likely 1.

 

[Rajni]

It's actually... not... in there.

Genesis 2:7, Job 33:4, Ezekiel 37:5-6

 

[SPF]

Genesis 2:7, Job 33:4, Ezekiel 37:5-6

Now that you've provided us with three verses, you have to go through the process of actually explaining the context of them, and what they're teaching.

For instance, Genesis 2:7 talks about the formation of the first man, who did not exist in a womb, and was not created VIA fertilization. Hard to draw an analogy.

Job 33:4 says that the breath of the almighty has given me life. Is the breath literal? Is the breath of the almighty actually MY first breath? It doesn't say that it's MY first breath.

Ezekiel 37 is a prophecy which really has nothing to do with when a human being receives an actual soul. Have you even read a commentary on the prophecy?

 

[Rajni]

Now that you've provided us with three verses, you have to go through the process of actually explaining the context of them, and what they're teaching.

For instance, Genesis 2:7 talks about the formation of the first man, who did not exist in a womb, and was not created VIA fertilization. Hard to draw an analogy.

Job 33:4 says that the breath of the almighty has given me life. Is the breath literal? Is the breath of the almighty actually MY first breath? It doesn't say that it's MY first breath.

Ezekiel 37 is a prophecy which really has nothing to do with when a human being receives an actual soul. Have you even read a commentary on the prophecy?

Of course there are varying opinions on it. No shocker, there!

My point was that it has been argued, using the bible, that life
begins at breath rather than conception. I’ve simply provided
the verses that have been used that you had said weren't in
there. Beyond that, I really don’t have a hen in this horse race,
and the thread will likely be shut down soon enough, people can
continue to be wrong on the internet and we can continue getting
on with our lives.

 

[Carlos234]

@Carlos234, surely you understand that the number of people on this board who believe that the Sathya Sai Baba is god on earth is so small that it is likely 1.

One is enough.

 

[Tinker Grey]

One is enough.

For?

 

[Carlos234]

For?

If I can make only make one happy then so be it.

 

[grasping the after wind]

I made no mention of mass protest nor state affairs only you taking action to stop “murder” a short drive from where you are posting. Is disconnecting the water and power lines from your local abortion clinic, where you contend children are being murdered, to difficult? It would prevent murders tomorrow.

If one is either being disingenuous about what they believe to be heinous activity or one must not be on Christian forums but must be out righting all the wrongs one sees then I suppose you would explain your presence here by some certainty you have that nothing untoward is happening to anyone anywhere on the planet?

 

[Tinker Grey]

If I can make only make one happy then so be it.

When I said that there might be only 1 who believes god-on-earth, I assumed that that one was you. Do you believe this? If you are that 1, are you talking to make yourself happy?