Is abortion better than the alternative?

[kedaman]

Something that promotes or enhances well-being - an advantage.

Has it not occurred to you that benefit is subjective?

 

[Moncubus Gwazz III]

That isn't up to me, is it? If God chose to give me a child what right do I have to abort it??

That's your personal belief. Not everyone is a Christian or a theist.

My position remains the same...just because someone might be killed because we make an action illegal doesn't mean we should make that action legal. Drug users are killed every day from "bad" drugs, from drug deals gone wrong...is that a compelling reason to legalize drugs then??

There is a difference, however. Abortion actually has a legitimate purpose.

 

[kdet]

That's your personal belief. Not everyone is a Christian or a theist.



There is a difference, however. Abortion actually has a legitimate purpose.

Well, that is what we base our opinions on, isn't it? Our own personal beliefs.

Murder should not have a legitimate purpose.

 

[kdet]

Yes.

Legal drugs = no underground market, no street dealers, no people killing and prostituting to feed the habit, no illegal importing of drugs and thus high profits for organised crime and no more people being killed in Columbia. Wow...the benefits...

I don't believe enabling people to destroy their lives and the lives of others benefits anyone.

 

[Electra]

Has it not occurred to you that benefit is subjective?

EVERYTHING is subjective. There is no such thing as an absolute truth - but if you can show me how making abortion illegal will 'benefit' anyone, in relations to the problems it will cause, then by all means, im listening.

 

[Electra]

I don't believe enabling people to destroy their lives and the lives of others benefits anyone.

Ah right...the war on drugs has been going on for around 100 years now - I hope you can see the imporvments in that time, because I cant see how the lives have been made better - people still use drugs, and people still die from infection and AIDS from shared needles.

I apologize for going off topic though.

 

[Rae]

When abortions were illegal, women still had them. It was just that when they were illegal, far more women died because they either tried to take drugs to rid themselves of their fetuses (which often didn't work or worked too well, killing both the woman and her child) or went to back-alley abortionists and got infected and died. I don't know about you, but I don't want that to happen to women.

What about the unborn? is often the rallying cry. I ask, what about the already born?

 

[Green Man]

That's your personal belief. Not everyone is a Christian or a theist.



There is a difference, however. Abortion actually has a legitimate purpose.

Murdering innocent babies is a legitimate purpose?

 

[Moncubus Gwazz III]

Well, that is what we base our opinions on, isn't it? Our own personal beliefs.

Murder should not have a legitimate purpose.

And in a perfect world, it wouldn't. There would be no use for euthanasia, or abortion, et cetera. But this is not a perfect world, and sometimes it is a better choice than actually having the child.

 

[Moncubus Gwazz III]

You're not very bright are you?

Would you mind explaining why you say that, rather than just going straight for the ad hominem button?

 

[kedaman]

EVERYTHING is subjective. There is no such thing as an absolute truth - but if you can show me how making abortion illegal will 'benefit' anyone, in relations to the problems it will cause, then by all means, im listening.

I'm not attempting to make abortion illegal, so I wont attempt to show that it will benefit anyone. But if you presume that the benefit of banning abortion is subjective, then that means whether abortion will be banned or not depends on opinion, more specifically the opinion of those in power. If that is the case then no matter what is the case, it will benefit someone, namely those in power.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

I think the OP is trying to justify an act that can't be justified. This shouldn't be a case of the lesser of two evils. Just because people will do things illegally doesn't mean we should make all actions legal.

Actually Im on both sides of the argument, I agree with the pro-lifers to a certain extent, I agree to the pro-choice people to a certain extent. I believe abortion should be an option in cases of rape or where the mother and/or child is in danger for thier/his/her life. Today I think abortion has become more of a second choice than a last resort.

I find muself really amazed by how people think. Then I get amazed at how i still get amazed by people's way of thinking.

You want to ban abortion, so you would let a woman who is raped bring a child into the world, which every time she looks she will remember how she was violated, you would let a woman who has serious health problems not have an abortion and die, you would let seriously deformed child be born into this world that would have no life of any quality.

Banning abortion WILL lead to backdoor abortion clinics - which will mean infection and death for many women.

I fail to see how this benefits anyone.

EXACTLY!

That isn't up to me, is it? If God chose to give me a child what right do I have to abort it?? My position remains the same...just because someone might be killed because we make an action illegal doesn't mean we should make that action legal. Drug users are killed every day from "bad" drugs, from drug deals gone wrong...is that a compelling reason to legalize drugs then??

Very poor analogy. Drugs affect the mind and body in negative ways eventually leading to death and the ruin of one's life. Abortion may cause feelings of guilt and anxiety but the procedure hardly has the same effect.

I don't believe enabling people to destroy their lives and the lives of others benefits anyone.

When your walking down a dark street with your child and a man jumps out, pushes you into the alley, pulls out a knife and starts trying to stab you....your telling me that ramming that piece of glass next to your hand through his neck wont benefit anyone.....

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

IF Abortion ever becomes illegal in the US the Religious Righters will be patting themselves on the back so much that their elbows will hurt.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

IF Abortion ever becomes illegal in the US the Religious Righters will be patting themselves on the back so much that their elbows will hurt.

True. Best we can do is cross our fingers and hope they loose

 

[Green Man]

Would you mind explaining why you say that, rather than just going straight for the ad hominem button?

That's the conclusion I draw when you act as if you can't understand plain english.

 

[Moncubus Gwazz III]

That's the conclusion I draw when you act as if you can't understand plain english.

Are you aware that ad hominems are not a valid debate tactic? I was asking you to actually provide an argument.

 

[Lokisdottir]

More humane??If a person can't afford to support a child,then they have no business having them.

Exactly!!

And yes it is that simple.There are various methods of birth control available.If everything else fails,there's always abstinence.

Handy hint: all birth control can fail. Even vasectomies and tubal ligations, the latter of which I plan on getting as soon as I can find a doctor who is willing to perform the operation. (They often refuse to perform tubals on women who "are too young" or "haven't experienced the joy of childbirth.")

Suppose that, sometime in the future, my tubes should untie themselves and I end up pregnant. Should I be forced to carry that child to term? A child I wouldn't love, a child I was so dead-set against having that I actually had myself sterilized?

 

[Antoninus Verus]

Suppose that, sometime in the future, my tubes should untie themselves and I end up pregnant. Should I be forced to carry that child to term? A child I wouldn't love, a child I was so dead-set against having that I actually had myself sterilized?

Very true. And also ask yourself, Green, would you REALLY want to be an un-wanted child? Would you really want to be put up for adoption? Personally Id rather be aborted than be an unwanted child.

 

[Green Man]

Very true. And also ask yourself, Green, would you REALLY want to be an un-wanted child? Would you really want to be put up for adoption? Personally Id rather be aborted than be an unwanted child.

Claiming you'd rather be aborted than be an unwanted child is a very safe position because you never have to worry about having to prove it.

 

[Green Man]

Exactly!!


Handy hint: all birth control can fail. Even vasectomies and tubal ligations, the latter of which I plan on getting as soon as I can find a doctor who is willing to perform the operation. (They often refuse to perform tubals on women who "are too young" or "haven't experienced the joy of childbirth.")

Suppose that, sometime in the future, my tubes should untie themselves and I end up pregnant. Should I be forced to carry that child to term? A child I wouldn't love, a child I was so dead-set against having that I actually had myself sterilized?

This post is to ridiculous to talk about.