Is abortion better than the alternative?

[kdet]

Exactly!!


Handy hint: all birth control can fail. Even vasectomies and tubal ligations, the latter of which I plan on getting as soon as I can find a doctor who is willing to perform the operation. (They often refuse to perform tubals on women who "are too young" or "haven't experienced the joy of childbirth.")

Suppose that, sometime in the future, my tubes should untie themselves and I end up pregnant. Should I be forced to carry that child to term? A child I wouldn't love, a child I was so dead-set against having that I actually had myself sterilized?

If God caused such a wonderful miracle to happen how could you end that life that God chose to create?? Such arrogance astounds me.

 

[Lokisdottir]

This post is to ridiculous to talk about.

Please explain why, instead of being insulting.

Is it the concept of one's tubes untying themselves (or, depending on how the procedure is performed, growing back together) that you find ridiculous? I assure you, it happens. I don't know the failure rate for tubal ligations, but for vasectomies (the male equivalent), it is 1 in 2,000.

If you want to know more, Google either "vasectomy" or "tubal ligation" along with "recanalization."

 

[Moncubus Gwazz III]

If God caused such a wonderful miracle to happen how could you end that life that God chose to create?? Such arrogance astounds me.

Do you use the same logic when it comes to diseases or natural disasters?

 

[Green Man]

Please explain why, instead of being insulting.

Is it the concept of one's tubes untying themselves (or, depending on how the procedure is performed, growing back together) that you find ridiculous? I assure you, it happens. I don't know the failure rate for tubal ligations, but for vasectomies (the male equivalent), it is 1 in 2,000.

If you want to know more, Google either "vasectomy" or "tubal ligation" along with "recanalization."

This is an old trick people have used for years.Bring up a one in a million scenario and talk as if it happens to everyone.

 

[Lokisdottir]

If God caused such a wonderful miracle to happen how could you end that life that God chose to create?? Such arrogance astounds me.

We don't believe in the same God.

My having children would not be a wonderful miracle, trust me on this. I don't have the slightest bit of motherly instinct. I'm not fond of small children at all, except in small doses. The thought of having to care for a child 24/7, instead of being able to hand it back to its mother, is enough to nearly give me a panic attack.

Any child of mine would inevitably end up neglected and unhappy, because I just don't have the patience and forgiveness it takes to be a mother. Is that fair to the child?

 

[Lokisdottir]

This is an old trick people have used for years.Bring up a one in a million scenario and talk as if it happens to everyone.

There's a BIG difference between one in a million, and one in two thousand.

 

[kedaman]

I don't believe enabling people to destroy their lives and the lives of others benefits anyone.

God has enabled them.

 

[Green Man]

There's a BIG difference between one in a million, and one in two thousand.

This is another old trick.Taking someone's words and tacking on some of your own at the end,thereby slightly changing the meaning.

 

[Lokisdottir]

This is another old trick.Taking someone's words and tacking on some of your own at the end,thereby slightly changing the meaning.

What are you talking about?

I said one in two thousand. You said one in a million. I corrected you. Nothing up my sleeve here.

But this is silly. If you want to keep arguing about trivial things that have nothing to do with the topic, PM me.

 

[Green Man]

What are you talking about?

I said one in two thousand. You said one in a million. I corrected you. Nothing up my sleeve here.

But this is silly. If you want to keep arguing about trivial things that have nothing to do with the topic, PM me.

When I said one in a million,I was not referring to your tubal ligation arguement in particular.I was referring to people bringing up the most unlikely scenarios to prove an arguement in general.

 

[Chloe Williams]

Handy hint: all birth control can fail.

That is where you are wrong. There is one form of birth control that can NEVER fail.....It is called ABSTINENCE.

Suppose that, sometime in the future, my tubes should untie themselves and I end up pregnant. Should I be forced to carry that child to term? A child I wouldn't love, a child I was so dead-set against having that I actually had myself sterilized?

Yes. Because it would be your fault for putting yourself in a situation where you could get pregnant (especially since you know that their is a chance that your tubes will untie.). Plus, you don't have to keep the baby, put it up for adoption.

*~*Chloe Williams*~*

 

[Lokisdottir]

When I said one in a million,I was not referring to your tubal ligation arguement in particular.I was referring to people bringing up the most unlikely scenarios to prove an arguement in general.

But when you're talking about outlawing abortion, even the most unlikely scenario has to be taken into account.

 

[Electra]

What are you talking about?

I said one in two thousand. You said one in a million. I corrected you. Nothing up my sleeve here.

But this is silly. If you want to keep arguing about trivial things that have nothing to do with the topic, PM me.

Lokisdottir, your arguments are vaild and your conduct is very fair.

When people start to insult one another its a sign of a week argument. Attack the idea not the person.

 

[Moncubus Gwazz III]

That is where you are wrong. There is one form of birth control that can NEVER fail.....It is called ABSTINENCE.

Unless you're raped, of course.

 

[Lokisdottir]

That is where you are wrong. There is one form of birth control that can NEVER fail.....It is called ABSTINENCE.

In other words, someone who never wants children should never have sex. In real life, things are not that simple.

I plan on getting married someday, and yes, I plan on making love to my husband. I'm human. Sorry, I can't help it, I was born that way.

Yes. Because it would be your fault for putting yourself in a situation where you could get pregnant (especially since you know that their is a chance that your tubes will untie.). Plus, you don't have to keep the baby, put it up for adoption.

Call me selfish, but I'm not willing to go through nine months of pregnancy, many hours of labor, and damage to certain beloved parts of my anatomy for the sake of a child I'll only see for a moment before it's thrown into foster care, where it may or may not be adopted, and may or may not end up miserable.

Also, giving birth has traditionally been quite dangerous in my family. We must have some pretty poor genetics, because almost every woman on my mother's side has given birth by c-section, often followed by an emergency hysterectomy -- and at least one death. Again, call me selfish, but I refuse to risk it. What's more, I have a veritable laundry list of inheritable genetic defects that should not be passed on.

 

[Lokisdottir]

Lokisdottir, your arguments are vaild and your conduct is very fair.

When people start to insult one another its a sign of a week argument. Attack the idea not the person.

Thank you!

 

[Antoninus Verus]

Claiming you'd rather be aborted than be an unwanted child is a very safe position because you never have to worry about having to prove it.

Actually its MORE unsafe to me than to you. Because I believe that I will be re-born so actually I may be faced with that situation.

This is an old trick people have used for years.Bring up a one in a million scenario and talk as if it happens to everyone.

This is the kind of stupidity that CAUSES un-wanted pregnancy in the first place. "Oh it hardly ever happens to anyone." "IVE never seen it happen". What happens if you ARE that one in a million?

That is where you are wrong. There is one form of birth control that can NEVER fail.....It is called ABSTINENCE.

Abstinance is not only un-healthy, it too can fail. Ask someone who abstains and has been raped before. Abstinance wont save you there. NO birth control is 100% unless you ripped out your own womb or ovaries or cut off your testicles.

And I want you to ask yourself something else Green. Say your daughter, or better yet your wife gets pregnant. Shes married to you and it was out of love, but when you go to get a check up, the doctor sits you down and says "If your wife has the baby, there is a very good chance she will not live through the pregnancy and its too dangerous to perform a C-section." What do you do then? And dont say "Oh it never happens" yes it DOES happen, I would have had annother niece or nephew if that was a non-existant event.

 

[morningstar2651]

More humane??If a person can't afford to support a child,then they have no business having them.And yes it is that simple.There are various methods of birth control available.If everything else fails,there's always abstinence.

None of these protect in the instance of rape.

 

[morningstar2651]

There is no 100% effective birth control -- not even abstinence.

 

[kedaman]

This debate is getting silly. Our society (and then I mean my country) assures that people don't have to starve, but its not 100% effective. That doesn't mean those who starve have the right to steal other people's food.