Is abortion better than the alternative?

[Antoninus Verus]

This is part of the reason I am against the pro-life movement.

If you TOTALLY banned abortions, arent you affraid that some people might go and get them any ways? Back alley abortion clinics where the doctor is less than trained and working in a dirty environment with a questionable knowleage of medicine and tools that MIGHT be clean.

A few years back I read a news story about places like these in India where the abortion was performed with a bent wire hanger and often resulted in serious injury on the woman's part and in some cases even death.

So a TOTAL ban on abortion, I think, would solve nothing. You'd be creating twice the problems for everyone.

 

[morningstar2651]

The logic here is that 1 death is better than 2 -- and this is reasoning that I agree with.

 

[scraparcs]

I am not against making abortion illegal, but that's one major criticism I do have of current pro-life actions. Right now, we need to focus more on changing hearts and minds and providing a place for those who need support in pregnancy before we can prohibit abortion with a pure heart.

That's just one more problem that would occur -- how to shut down back alley abortion providers.

 

[Green Man]

The logic here is that 1 death is better than 2 -- and this is reasoning that I agree with.

How about no death is better than one?Why is murder a choice?

 

[Moncubus Gwazz III]

How about no death is better than one?Why is murder a choice?

Could you point out a way to completely end all abortions, illegal or not?

 

[Green Man]

Could you point out a way to completely end all abortions, illegal or not?

Adoption

 

[Lokisdottir]

Adoption

As though there aren't already enough children being bounced from one foster home to another? You make it sound so simple.

 

[Moncubus Gwazz III]

Adoption

It already exists as an alternative, and abortions still take place. People aren't going to completely stop just because alternatives exist and it's illegal. In some cases and areas (such as heavily impoverished places), abortions is overall more humane than adoption.

 

[Green Man]

It already exists as an alternative, and abortions still take place. People aren't going to completely stop just because alternatives exist and it's illegal. In some cases and areas (such as heavily impoverished places), abortions is overall more humane than adoption.

More humane??If a person can't afford to support a child,then they have no business having them.And yes it is that simple.There are various methods of birth control available.If everything else fails,there's always abstinence.

 

[Moncubus Gwazz III]

More humane??If a person can't afford to support a child,then they have no business having them.And yes it is that simple.There are various methods of birth control available.If everything else fails,there's always abstinence.

And rape doesn't exist anymore? Stupid mistakes don't exist?

 

[kdet]

I think the OP is trying to justify an act that can't be justified. This shouldn't be a case of the lesser of two evils. Just because people will do things illegally doesn't mean we should make all actions legal.

 

[Moncubus Gwazz III]

I think the OP is trying to justify an act that can't be justified. This shouldn't be a case of the lesser of two evils. Just because people will do things illegally doesn't mean we should make all actions legal.

It wouldn't be, in an ideal world, but this isn't one. Would one prefer to give birth to a deformed child who would only live ten years, or abort them? A child who you couldn't feed or support at all? Would it be better for abortions to be unsafe and illegal, while we work towards changing the societal attitude towards them?

 

[Green Man]

And rape doesn't exist anymore? Stupid mistakes don't exist?

There are always exceptions.Rape however,is not a very apt analogy.Abortion clinics are not being overwhelmed by pregnant rape victims.Two people having sex,knowing the possibility of pregnancy,are not in any way making a "stupid mistake".These people have made a conscious decision,gambling with the possibility of pregnancy.

 

[Electra]

I find muself really amazed by how people think. Then I get amazed at how i still get amazed by people's way of thinking.

You want to ban abortion, so you would let a woman who is raped bring a child into the world, which every time she looks she will remember how she was violated, you would let a woman who has serious health problems not have an abortion and die, you would let seriously deformed child be born into this world that would have no life of any quality.

Banning abortion WILL lead to backdoor abortion clinics - which will mean infection and death for many women.

I fail to see how this benefits anyone.

 

[Moncubus Gwazz III]

Don't be so ridiculous.There are always exceptions.Rape however,is not a very apt analogy.Abortion clinics are not being overwhelmed by pregnant rape victims.

How would you propose seperating out the exceptions from everyone else, then?

Two people having sex,knowing the possibility of pregnancy,are not in any way making a "stupid mistake".These people have made a conscious decision,gambling with the possibility of pregnancy.

And how is that not a stupid mistake? Idiotic choices that one learns from are usually made conciously.

 

[kedaman]

I find muself really amazed by how people think. Then I get amazed at how i still get amazed by people's way of thinking.

You want to ban abortion, so you would let a woman who is raped bring a child into the world, which every time she looks she will remember how she was violated, you would let a woman who has serious health problems not have an abortion and die, you would let seriously deformed child be born into this world that would have no life of any quality.

Banning abortion WILL lead to backdoor abortion clinics - which will mean infection and death for many women.

I fail to see how this benefits anyone.

how do you define benefit?

 

[kedaman]

I find muself really amazed by how people think. Then I get amazed at how i still get amazed by people's way of thinking.

You want to ban abortion, so you would let a woman who is raped bring a child into the world, which every time she looks she will remember how she was violated, you would let a woman who has serious health problems not have an abortion and die, you would let seriously deformed child be born into this world that would have no life of any quality.

Banning abortion WILL lead to backdoor abortion clinics - which will mean infection and death for many women.

I fail to see how this benefits anyone.

how do you define benefit?

 

[kdet]

It wouldn't be, in an ideal world, but this isn't one. Would one prefer to give birth to a deformed child who would only live ten years, or abort them? A child who you couldn't feed or support at all? Would it be better for abortions to be unsafe and illegal, while we work towards changing the societal attitude towards them?

That isn't up to me, is it? If God chose to give me a child what right do I have to abort it?? My position remains the same...just because someone might be killed because we make an action illegal doesn't mean we should make that action legal. Drug users are killed every day from "bad" drugs, from drug deals gone wrong...is that a compelling reason to legalize drugs then??

 

[Electra]

how do you define benefit?

Something that promotes or enhances well-being - an advantage.

 

[Electra]

Drug users are killed every day from "bad" drugs, from drug deals gone wrong...is that a compelling reason to legalize drugs then??

Yes.

Legal drugs = no underground market, no street dealers, no people killing and prostituting to feed the habit, no illegal importing of drugs and thus high profits for organised crime and no more people being killed in Columbia. Wow...the benefits...