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is a belief in Hell necessary?

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StevenL

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Belief in "hell" is necessary if one wants to understand the state of human religion.

No prophet or apostle ever taught that one must believe in "hell" to be saved.....nor did Yeshua. "Believe on the Lord Yeshua, the Anointed One and you will be saved and delivered."

To understand what was really taught by the original Bible writers about "hell", one must know what the four words translated as "hell" mean (isn't that kinda silly? Why are words with different meanings translated with only one word?) as they were originally used and the root of the English word "hell". I challenge any seeker of God to study this out and find out the actual meanings instead of just believing medieval church teachings on the subject.

Question: What, in most societies, is the ultimate and final punishment for a heinous crime? Think about it.

Question: What are the wages of sin?
 
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But in the end, isnt it still the same?
We ARe saved from something as was stated.
 
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No prophet or apostle ever taught that one must believe in "hell" to be saved.....nor did Yeshua. "Believe on the Lord Yeshua, the Anointed One and you will be saved and delivered."
And yet Yashua taught more on the topic than anyone else in the NT.

Why do we always fall back on this translation thing?
There are very CLEAR descriptions of that place, how a single word was rendered doesnt prove a thing.
Question: What, in most societies, is the ultimate and final punishment for a heinous crime? Think about it.
Sorry, we're not talking about how man does things but God.

Question: What are the wages of sin? Death.
Now go look in Revelation and see where ''death'' is cast in the end.
 
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No you do not have to believe in hell to be a christian.
But on the other hand just think of your family members that didn't believe the way they were "taught" to believe, how they are suffering, screaming in agony from the torment of their flesh burning with sulphur?
How they ask God for relief but God is angry at them for not believing how much He loves them. Oh well thats justice being served forever.
Praise God for justice that will in the end be served with un-ending pain because those sorry no good sinners didn't believe the way they were supposed to believe, they deserve to go to Hell forever and ever with no hope, only torment and torture because Hell is fair after all.
The Origin and History of the Doctrine of Endless Punishment
 
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Are you looking for justice that makes sense to you or are you looking for the truth?

I read a bit of your article.
I really loathe those that try to play with the meanings of words like Hades and such.

Fact is that the desciptions alone are enough, renderings such as hades and sheol are moot.
That place is described as perpetual and fiery torment.
 
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Egghead said:
And yet Yashua taught more on the topic than anyone else in the NT.

And yet the Greek writers used two different words when telling of Jesus' teaching on this topic which translators have lumped into one word. So it would behoove us to know which word he was actually using and the real meaning of each.

Egghead said:
Why do we always fall back on this translation thing?
There are very CLEAR descriptions of that place, how a single word was rendered doesnt prove a thing.

Heaven help us if we actually learn to think and to insist on correct translations of words. We should just sit back and be spoon fed by religious zealots who only think with their steeple.

Egghead said:
Sorry, we're not talking about how man does things but God.

Man got his ideas of punishment from God.

Egghead said:
Question: What are the wages of sin? Death.
Now go look in Revelation and see where ''death'' is cast in the end.

I did look in Revelation. That's why I began to look at the translations. In the church idea of "hell", when I read where death and hell is cast in that verse, I see that "hell" is cast into "hell". What a stupid idea. It's confusion. Bad translation and false ideas lead to confusion.

For those who can think:

Go to the Old Testament and study the word "sheol", sometimes translated as "hell". See what's happening (or not) there. Then look into the New Testament writings and study the equivalent word to sheol "hades" which is also translated as "hell". Then study the Greek word "Gehenna" (also *incorrectly* translated as "hell") and its symbolic use by Yeshua. Then study the Greek word "Tartarus" (also *incorrectly* translated as "hell") and its use in 2 Peter. I don't mean go to some religious manual to do your study. Just go to a good concordance and dictionary and find the meanings of the words. See how inconsistently the words are translated. Got "hells" everwhere that aren't really "hells".
 
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Yes your "loathing" is very evident. Maybe you should loathe instead the practice of false scholarship that introduces false teachings and confusion into the churches.

No all the places called hell are not described as perpetual and fiery torment. (Except by religious folks) If one will read all the instances of the words "sheol", "hades", "tartarus", and "gehenna", all translated as "hell", he or she will not consistently find that description at all and WILL find that there are distinctions among the ideas behind these words.

But only those who can undertake to think for themselves as led by the Spirit of Jesus will ever be able to see such things. The rest will just "loathe" and gnash with the teeth at anything that conflicts with their religious ideas.
 
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There are a few things in the bible we can choose to believe or disbelieve without contradicting any of Christ teachings. like for example: once saved,always saved. predestianation, drinking, gambling, paul talked about eating certain types of food. we all can find verses on these and others subjects and support each others personal beliefs.

but we can't do it on the subject of hell. atleast without contradiction christ teaching. he taught on hell, more than he did on heaven. no one has to be warned to avoid heaven, so he warned of hell more. if there is no hell, then their is no accountability for sin, then there would be know need for a judgement.if john 3:16 says... that those who did not believe, would perish, then if their is no hell, then were else would they perish, and if they were just cast out of existance, then how would they be perishing?
 
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george said:
he taught on hell, more than he did on heaven.

Please verify this with some true Scriptural statistics. And when you do, I will verify the information myself to back you up. Thanks.

george said:
that those who did not believe, would perish, then if their is no hell, then were else would they perish, and if they were just cast out of existance, then how would they be perishing?

Does anyone here understand what it means to perish?

And back to my thought. In which "hell" do they perish? The "sheol" hell, the "hades" hell, the "gehenna" hell, the "tartarus" hell? Sorry, as much as many would wish, all the "hells" are NOT the same. No one is disputing Yeshua's teaching. I am examining whether he actually taught on the "hell" that we imagine today. It is very clear (from the original languages) that the differing words for "hell" that Yeshua used have been joined together in a single idea with a few extra (later) ideas thrown into the mix.

Of course we are accountable for sin. As the prophet said....."the soul that sins shall DIE." (Perish)
 
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Descriptions alone are enough?
If thats the way you perceive things then I quess "Dante's Inferno" alone should be enough, right?

If you only read a "bit" and not all, you will always have a "blind" understanding of the things in which you believe.

 
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