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winsome

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It's important to use the Bible and the Bible alone to form our doctrines. All these men you quote as saying Sunday is the Lord's are found outside of Scripture. These men came to their conclusion based on there interpretation of the verses you quoted. But keep in mind, Satan had a plan long ago to change God's Law and time so at some point this was going to happen. With this in mind, let's take a closer look at the verses they used to prove a Sabbath change.

No, we base our doctrine on all that Jesus and the apostles passed on both in writing and orally.

Bible alone is a false doctrine, so you are already into false teaching.

Secondly documents, such as I quoted are historical records of what actually was practiced. It is clear from the quotations I gave, and I could give more, that the early Church worshipped on the first day of the week.

You cannot just ignore history – and of course you don’t yourself when it suits you. To claim that I cannot use historical documents to show what happened when you yourself tried to use historical documents when claiming that the Pope changed the Sabbath to Sunday at the Council of Laodicia is hypocrisy.

Before we start, it's also important that we understand two things. First, we can break bread seven days a week if we want because breaking bread is just a term used for fellowship but just because we fellowship does not mean we do away with the Sabbath. Second, the Bible is clear, the Sabbath, which is the seventh day, is in fact the Lord's day.
No, breaking bread is not just for fellowship. It is the Mass, the Eucharist, Communion. When Acts and Paul refer to this they are referring to what Jesus did at the Last Supper. Yes, we can do this any day of the week but the only specific day quoted for this is the first day of the week, which shows the importance of this day to the early Christians.

Leviticus 23:3 You will work for six days, but the seventh will be a day of complete rest, a day for the sacred assembly on which you do no work at all. Wherever you live, this is a Sabbath for LORD.
Under the Old Covenant

Now let's take a look at the term 'Lord's Day'.

The term, "The Lord's day" was taken from Revelation 1:10.

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet.

There is not one mention in this verse of Sunday or Saturday being the Lord's Day so saying Sunday is the Lord's from this verse is something that has to be added by man.
It is clear from the quotations I gave you that the early Christians understood Sunday as the Lord’s Day. It was the day the Lord rose from the dead.

Now let's continue to the 'first day' texts.

The first one is found in Acts 20:7.

Acts 20:7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

Right away we can see the reason for the gathering was because Paul was leaving the next day, not because it was a worship service or a change of the Sabbath day.

No, they were gathered to celebrate the Eucharist (Communion). And they celebrated it on the first day of the week. Nowhere else is the Eucharist mentioned as being celebrated on a specific day other than the first day of the week.

Another important thing to understand in this verse is that the Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday and ends at sunset on Saturday. This gathering happened after the close of the Sabbath at sunset on Saturday, which would now make it the first day. To us it would still be Saturday because our days go from midnight to midnight but, to a Jew, the days go from sunset to sunset. Paul talked from sunset Saturday (making it the first day) until midnight. Then at sunrise, which would be Sunday morning, Paul left for his journey. He walked a long distance and then took a boat. If Sunday was now the day of worship or the Lord's Day Paul would have never journeyed all day, but instead, he would have been in church preaching on the Sabbath, like it was His custom.

On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread, Paul spoke to them because he was going to leave on the next day, and he kept on speaking until midnight. There were many lamps in the upstairs room where we were gathered, and a young man named Eutychus who was sitting on the window sill was sinking into a deep sleep as Paul talked on and on. Once overcome by sleep, he fell down from the third story and when he was picked up, he was dead. Paul went down, threw himself upon him, and said as he embraced him, “Don’t be alarmed; there is life in him.” Then he returned upstairs, broke the bread, and ate; after a long conversation that lasted until daybreak, he departed. And they took the boy away alive and were immeasurably comforted.

It doesn’t say Paul stopped talking to them at midnight. He talked until midnight.
Then it reports that Eutychus fell asleep and fell.
Then it says Paul returned upstairs and broke bread – after midnight on Sunday, by your own admission.
Then Paul carried on until daybreak.
Then he left. It all happened on the first day of the week.

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures.
Paul went to evangelise not to observe the Sabbath. Paul went to preach Christ to the Jews. If you want to preach to the Jews you will find them in the Synagogue on Saturday. If you want to preach to most Christians you will find them in Church on Sunday. You will find this is Paul’s pattern of evangelising. He went first to the Jews in the synagogue and then when they rejected him he went to the Gentiles. He went where he could find them.

The next verse we'll look at is 1 Corinthians 16:2.

1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let each one of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come.
Some people use this verse to say a church offering was taken on the first day so they must have been in church but a quick look at this verse we will see this is not what Paul was saying. Paul was going away but when he returned he was going to take some supplies to the saints in Jerusalem. The important words in this verse are the words, 'Lay by him in store'. People interpret these words to mean a church offering but this is not so. These words, 'Lay by him in store' are referring to getting things together from home such as water, food, livestock or whatever else the suffering saints in Jerusalem would need. Some Bible translations make it clear.

Darby Bible Translation
1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first of the week let each of you put by at home, laying up in whatever degree he may have prospered, that there may be no collections when I come.
Weymouth New Testament
1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week let each of you put on one side and store up at his home whatever gain has been granted to him; so that whenever I come, there may then be no collections going on.

International Standard Version
1 Corinthians 16:2 After the Sabbath ends, each of you should set aside and save something from your surplus in proportion to what you have, so that no collections will have to be made when I arrive.


This is nonsense. Paul wasn’t collecting chickens, goats and sacks of grain etc to ship with him. He was collecting money. If you look at Acts 4 you will see that is how it was done. People brought money to the apostles for distribution.
Moreover Paul talks about their gift in the singular. You don’t say that about a collection of chickens and bags of grain or whatever. Gift implies one unit that was handed over - a bag of money.

Paul asked them to collect this in advance so they he wouldn’t be delayed collecting the money from each of them when he arrived, It would all be ready for him. He says (verse 5) Now I will come unto you, when I shall pass through Macedonia: for I do pass through Macedonia. Macedonia is a long way from Corinth. Do you seriously think the church had a big storehouse for livestock, food and water to be kept until Paul arrived, which could be weeks or months?

I note you have to dig out obscure translations to make this “clear”.

Paul knew how getting all this stuff together from their homes and barns would be labor intensive and time consuming so he specifically tells them to do it on the first day, rather than, on the Sabbath day.
Barns? Corinth is a busy seaport not the countryside.

He doesn’t specifically tell them to do this on the first day rather than the Sabbath. He never mentions the Sabbath. He just tells them to do it on the first day of the week, which is when he knows they will be gathering for worship.

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The next verse we'll look at is John 20:19.

John 20:19 Then, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them, "Peace be with you.''

Some people say the disciples gathered in this verse on the first day to worship God. They use this verse to say that the Sabbath was now changed from the seventh day to the first day but a quick look at the context will show it to be a delusion. The disciples were not gathering to worship God, they were hiding for fear of the Jews. Jesus had been crucified and they didn't know what was going to happen to them so they hid. Some people go as far as to say that they gathered in these verses to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus but this also is a delusion. The truth of the matter is, the disciples didn't even know Jesus had risen at this point this is why they were hiding for fear that the Jews would kill them too just like they did to Jesus.
I haven’t said that so why raise it?


So as you can see, none of these 'first day' texts say what people are making them say. The Sabbath is still the seventh day and we should honor it as the Lord commands.
On the contrary the first day texts are not what you are trying to make them say. Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor 16:2 show that Christians met on the first day of then week not the Sabbath.


One more piece of evidence that many people have never noticed. Before Paul's conversion, while on the road to Damascus, he told Jesus how he would go from synagogue to synagogue imprisonnig Christians, those who believed in Jesus.

Acts 22:19 Paul replied, 'Lord, they themselves know that from synagogue to synagogue I used to imprison and beat those who believed in you.

In other words, these early Christians were worshiping on the Sabbath in the synagogues when Paul pulled them out to imprison them.

Paul’s conversion was no later that 36AD and before Peter was sent to the Gentiles. In those first few years the church was Jewish, a Jewish sect. The apostles went to the Temple Acts 2:46. Yes, some early Christians went to the synagogue and Paul searched for them there. It was the only place he had any authority to arrest them.

Acts 2:46 also says that they “broke bread in their homes” – clearly even at that stage the main focus of worship had shifted from the Temple to their homes.

But that doesn’t mean anything. It is quite clear from Acts 15 that it took some time for the apostles and the early church to break from its Jewish roots. Until then many of them would have been circumcising their babies.

Can you now respond to the quotes I gave you that clearly show that the Mosaic Law was abolished.

 
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I haven’t said that so why raise it?

On the contrary the first day texts are not what you are trying to make them say. Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor 16:2 show that Christians met on the first day of then week not the Sabbath.

Paul’s conversion was no later that 36AD and before Peter was sent to the Gentiles. In those first few years the church was Jewish, a Jewish sect. The apostles went to the Temple Acts 2:46. Yes, some early Christians went to the synagogue and Paul searched for them there. It was the only place he had any authority to arrest them.

Acts 2:46 also says that they “broke bread in their homes” – clearly even at that stage the main focus of worship had shifted from the Temple to their homes.

But that doesn’t mean anything. It is quite clear from Acts 15 that it took some time for the apostles and the early church to break from its Jewish roots. Until then many of them would have been circumcising their babies.

Can you now respond to the quotes I gave you that clearly show that the Mosaic Law was abolished.



Actually the early church in the Bible broke bread daily.

You refuse to see the truth either because you are too deep into Catholicism or you just willfully refuse the truth either way there is nothing more I can say.

Keep studying the Bible and the Bible alone and you will have a sure foundation.
 
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