Irrefutable Facts

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The seventh day of every week is a literal day.

The seventh day Sabbath is part of creation.

The seventh day was blessed and sanctified by God before sin was in the world.

Jesus kept the Sabbath.

Paul continued to keep the Sabbath long after Jesus.

All Jesus' followers kept the Sabbath after Jesus died.

Jesus didn't do away with the Law or the Sabbath.

The Sabbath change from Saturday to Sunday came long after Jesus.

Persecution came to Sabbath keepers as a result of the change.

Jesus is Lord of THE Sabbath day.

 

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The seventh day of every week is a literal day.

Pointless........Sunday, Monday, Teusday, Wednesday are also literal days, but God's rest is forever.

The seventh day Sabbath is part of creation.

Prove it..... the seventh day is a part of creation. Sabbath was not, it was first given to man after the Exodus from Egypt.

The seventh day was blessed and sanctified by God before sin was in the world.

SDA need to recognize that God was finished and rested from all His work. To imply the God worked 6 mores day and rested again is unscriptual.

Jesus kept the Sabbath.

prove it.

Paul continued to keep the Sabbath long after Jesus.

Paul also continued to worship on other days of the week.

All Jesus' followers kept the Sabbath after Jesus died.

Great, now show us the commandmant for Gentiles to keep it?

Jesus didn't do away with the Law or the Sabbath.

He fulfilled them in His death and gave us communion to remember Him.

The Sabbath change from Saturday to Sunday came long after Jesus.

The seventh day sabbath cant change it was a sign, that like Monday becoming Tueday.

Persecution came to Sabbath keepers as a result of the change.

Prove it.

Jesus is Lord of THE Sabbath day.

Jesus cited His authority over the sabbath because He was accused of breaking it.
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All hese partial truths shows tampering with true doctrines of the word of God. The truth is found line upon line.

Here's just one question for you......

What day can a man worship God??

 

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Pointless........Sunday, Monday, Teusday, Wednesday are also literal days, but God's rest is forever.

Prove it..... the seventh day is a part of creation. Sabbath was not, it was first given to man after the Exodus from Egypt.

SDA need to recognize that God was finished and rested from all His work. To imply the God worked 6 mores day and rested again is unscriptual.

prove it.

Paul also continued to worship on other days of the week.

Great, now show us the commandmant for Gentiles to keep it?

He fulfilled them in His death and gave us communion to remember Him.
The seventh day sabbath cant change it was a sign, that like Monday becoming Tueday.
Prove it.

Jesus cited His authority over the sabbath because He was accused of breaking it.
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All hese partial truths shows tampering with true doctrines of the word of God. The truth is found line upon line.

Here's just one question for you......

What day can a man worship God??

Man can and should worship God everyday but man should remember the Sabbath day on the day that God said to remember it on and that is the seventh day.

Exodus 20:8-10 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Why should we remember the Sabbath day on the seventh day and no other day?

Because true worship is founded on obeying God's Law, rather than, man-made laws.

Matthew 15:9 Their worship is worthless, for they teach their man-made laws instead of those from God.''

Sabbath keepers are not alone in identifying the true Sabbath, only in keeping it.

Church of England: "Many people think that Sunday is the Sabbath. But neither in the New Testament nor in the early church is there anything to suggest that we have any right to transfer the observance of the seventh day of the week to the first. The Sabbath was and is Saturday and not Sunday, and if it were binding on us then church, and the church alone." Hobart Church News.

Presbyterian: "The Christian Sabbath (Sunday) is not in the Scriptures, and was not by the primitive church called the Sabbath." Dwight's Theology, Vol. 14, p. 401. "A further argument for the perpetuity of the Sabbath we have in Matthew 24:20, Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter neither on the Sabbath day. But the final destruction of Jerusalem was after the Christian dispensation was fully set up (AD 70). Yet it is plainly implied in these words of the Lord that even then Christians were bound to strict observation of the Sabbath." Works of Jonathon Edwards, (Presby.) Vol. 4, p. 621.

Baptist: "There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath was not Sunday. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament; absolutely not. There is no Scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week ... Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in later Christian history as a" religious day." But what a realization that it comes branded with the mark of paganism and christened with the name of the sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to protestantism." Dr. Edward Hiscox, Author of the Baptist Manual.

Methodist: "The Sabbath instituted in the beginning, and confirmed again and again by Moses and the prophets, has never been abrogated. A part of the moral law, not a jot or a tittle of its sanctity has been taken away." Bishops Pastoral. "It is true there is no positive command for infant baptism ... nor is there any for conclusively answer an Adventist in his Scriptural contention that the Seventh day is the Sabbath (Ex. 20:10). It is not 'one day in seven' as some put it, but 'the seventh day according to the commandment.' " Words of Truth and Grace, p. 281.

Lutheran: "The observance of the "Lord's Day "(Sunday, named by Pope Leo) is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the Church." Augsburg Confession of Faith.

Congregational: "It is clear that, however rigidly or devoutly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath ... The Sabbath was founded on a specific divine command. We can plead no such command for the obligation to observe Sunday ... There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday." Dr. Dale, The Ten Commandments, pp. 106, 107.

Church of Christ: "But we do not find any direct command from God, or instruction from the risen Christ, or admonition from the early apostles, that the first day is to be substituted for the seventh day Sabbath." "Let us be clear on this point. Though to the Christian 'that day, the first day of the week' is the most memorable of all days ... there is no command or warrant in the New Testament for observing it as a holy day." "The Roman Church selected the first day of the week in honor of the resurrection of Christ. ..." Bible Standard, May, 1916, Auckland, New Zealand.
Salvation Army: Copy of an Affidavit by Louis Currow, Minister in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia: I, Louis Currow of Ballarat, do solemnly and sincerely declare THAT, I did hear the following statement made by General William Booth, the founder of the Salvation Army at an Officers' meeting in the City Temple, Bourke Street, Melbourne. VIZ. Friends, don't you know that we are not keeping the true Sabbath. Two other officers and myself took our stand for the Sabbath, also a lady sergeant major, that heard the statement from his lips. And I make this solemn declaration, etc. Declared at Ballarat in the state of Victoria, 10th May, 1934, before me, (signed) F.A.Cooper, J.P.

ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA: "Constantine the Great made a law for the whole empire (AD 321) that Sunday should be kept as a day of rest."

CHAMBERS ENCYCLOPEDIA: "Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical observance of Sunday is known to have been ordained, is the Sabbatical edict of Constantine, AD 321." Art. Sunday.

The Catholic Church says: "There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the Holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic church says, "No, By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week." And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church." Priest Thomas Enright, CSSR, President of Redemptorist College, Kansas City, Missouri, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, and printed in the American Sentinel, June 1883, a New York Roman Catholic journal.

 

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The Catholic Church by their tradition has passed down doctrines that are contrary to the scripture. Martin Luther did not address certian doctrines taken from the CC.
They continue to have varried opinions on several issues. Their History and official possition proves that sabbath is the seventh day and Christian did not Judiaze, but kept Sunday to worship.
SDA have also changed their truths about who and when a socalled change from Sabbath to Sunday.

Truth does matter..........

 

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Man can and should worship God everyday but man should remember the Sabbath day on the day that God said to remember it on and that is the seventh day.

Exodus 20:8-10 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Ex 31:12-18
The LORD said to Moses: You yourself are to speak to the Israelites: “You shall keep my sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, given in order that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you……Therefore the Israelites shall keep the sabbath, observing the sabbath throughout their generations, as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”

The Sabbath was a sign of the covenant between God and the Jewish people. It was a sign of the Old Covenant. It has nothing to do with the New Covenant

The Catholic Church says: "There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the Holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic church says, "No, By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week." And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church." Priest Thomas Enright, CSSR, President of Redemptorist College, Kansas City, Missouri, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, and printed in the American Sentinel, June 1883, a New York Roman Catholic journal.

What some individual Catholic priest said 120 years ago is irrelevant. He was speaking his own opinion not for the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. If you want to claim the Catholic Church teaches something then you need to quote from official Church documents.

 

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Ex 31:12-18
The LORD said to Moses: You yourself are to speak to the Israelites: “You shall keep my sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, given in order that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you……Therefore the Israelites shall keep the sabbath, observing the sabbath throughout their generations, as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”

The Sabbath was a sign of the covenant between God and the Jewish people. It was a sign of the Old Covenant. It has nothing to do with the New Covenant

The new covenant is also made with the house of Israel. We, as Gentiles, are grafted in and fall under the same blessings and guidlines. Both Israel of the flesh and Gentiles all become spiritual Israel has God's church. This is where God writes His Law on the hearts and minds of His people. In this they are not a burden for us to keep. As a matter of fact, it will hard for us not to keep them.

What some individual Catholic priest said 120 years ago is irrelevant. He was speaking his own opinion not for the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. If you want to claim the Catholic Church teaches something then you need to quote from official Church documents.

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If you join the Catholic church today, this is what they will teach you.​

Official quote from The Catholic Catechism
Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer - “Saturday is the Sabbath day.”
Question - “Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?” ​

Answer – “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Geiermann,C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

What was established at the Council of Laodicea in 364-AD regarding the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment?

Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364)​

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, the Sabbath, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day (Sunday) they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day if however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.”---Canon 29, Council of Laodicea, 364 C.E.

The fact that the Papacy had to enact and enforce this law in 364-AD tells us that early Christians were keeping the Sabbath before and during 364-AD and were trying to convince others to do the same otherwise why enact and enforce this law.

 

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The Catholic Church by their tradition has passed down doctrines that are contrary to the scripture. Martin Luther did not address certian doctrines taken from the CC.
They continue to have varried opinions on several issues. Their History and official possition proves that sabbath is the seventh day and Christian did not Judiaze, but kept Sunday to worship.
SDA have also changed their truths about who and when a socalled change from Sabbath to Sunday.

Truth does matter..........

Official quote from The Catholic Catechism
Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer - “Saturday is the Sabbath day.”
Question - “Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?” ​

Answer – “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Geiermann,C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

What was established at the Council of Laodicea in 364-AD regarding the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment?

Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364)​

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, the Sabbath, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day (Sunday) they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day if however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.”---Canon 29, Council of Laodicea, 364 C.E.

The fact that the Papacy had to enact and enforce this law in 364-AD tells us that early Christians were keeping the Sabbath before and during 364-AD and were trying to convince others to do the same otherwise why enact and enforce this law.

 

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The new covenant is also made with the house of Israel. We, as Gentiles, are grafted in and fall under the same blessings and guidlines. Both Israel of the flesh and Gentiles all become spiritual Israel has God's church. This is where God writes His Law on the hearts and minds of His people. In this they are not a burden for us to keep. As a matter of fact, it will hard for us not to keep them.

Nowhere does the New Covenant instruct us to keep the Sabbath.
The Sabbath was a sign of the Old Covenant.
If you Judaize and keep the Old Covenant then you should be keeping all the Old Covenant Laws. But the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 clearly shows this.

If you join the Catholic church today, this is what they will teach you.​

Official quote from The Catholic Catechism
Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer - “Saturday is the Sabbath day.”
Question - “Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?” ​

Answer – “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Geiermann,C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

Where is this in the Catechism?
I cannot find it.
Please giver the reference (also which Catechism you are quoting from).

I give you a quote from the current universal Catechism of the Catholic Church
2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.

What was established at the Council of Laodicea in 364-AD regarding the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment?

Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364)​

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, the Sabbath, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day (Sunday) they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day if however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.”---Canon 29, Council of Laodicea, 364 C.E.

The fact that the Papacy had to enact and enforce this law in 364-AD tells us that early Christians were keeping the Sabbath before and during 364-AD and were trying to convince others to do the same otherwise why enact and enforce this law.

Nothing new was established at the Council of Laodicea.
It was a local council of about 30 clerics from Asia Minor addressing a local issue. It was not a universal council. The Pope was not involved.
The local issue it was addressing was that of some Christians Judaizing.

The replacement of the Saturday Sabbath by Sunday worship was not established here. It goes right back to the Apostolic era.

The quote from the Catechism,
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.
comes from St. Ignatius of Antioch was about AD 110. Here is a longer and slightly different translation:
"Do not be led astray by other doctrines nor by old fables which are worthless. For if we have been living by now according to Judaism, we must confess that we have not received grace. The prophets . . . who walked in ancient customs came to a new hope, no longer Sabbatizing but living by the Lord’s day, on which we came to life through Him and through His death."


Justin Martyr writing in about 150 AD says:
"On Sunday, we meet to celebrate the Lord’s supper and read the Gospels and Sacred Scripture, the first day on which God changed darkness, and made the world, and on which Christ rose from the dead."

 

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Nowhere does the New Covenant instruct us to keep the Sabbath.
The Sabbath was a sign of the Old Covenant.
If you Judaize and keep the Old Covenant then you should be keeping all the Old Covenant Laws. But the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 clearly shows this.

Where is this in the Catechism?
I cannot find it.
Please giver the reference (also which Catechism you are quoting from).

I give you a quote from the current universal Catechism of the Catholic Church
2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.

Nothing new was established at the Council of Laodicea.
It was a local council of about 30 clerics from Asia Minor addressing a local issue. It was not a universal council. The Pope was not involved.
The local issue it was addressing was that of some Christians Judaizing.

The replacement of the Saturday Sabbath by Sunday worship was not established here. It goes right back to the Apostolic era.

The quote from the Catechism,
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.
comes from St. Ignatius of Antioch was about AD 110. Here is a longer and slightly different translation:
"Do not be led astray by other doctrines nor by old fables which are worthless. For if we have been living by now according to Judaism, we must confess that we have not received grace. The prophets . . . who walked in ancient customs came to a new hope, no longer Sabbatizing but living by the Lord’s day, on which we came to life through Him and through His death."


Justin Martyr writing in about 150 AD says:
"On Sunday, we meet to celebrate the Lord’s supper and read the Gospels and Sacred Scripture, the first day on which God changed darkness, and made the world, and on which Christ rose from the dead."

Under the Old Covenant the Law was written on stone and influenced the actions of man through fear of punishment. Under the New Covenant the Law is written on our hearts and influences our thoughts through love.

1 John 4:17-18 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.

The Ten Commandments were written in stone with God's own finger. They are as a chain with ten links. If you break one link the whole chain is broken.

James 2:10-11 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, "Do not commit adultery,'' also said, "Do not murder.'' Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

There is not one verse in the entire New Testament that says Sunday is a special day to be kept holy.

To keep Sunday holy, in light of Jesus' resurrection, is a teaching found outside of Scripture.

Official Statement of the Catholic Church ​

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.

Official Statement of the Catholic Church ​

“Sunday is our mark of authority, the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923”.

To say that Sunday is the Lord's day is another belief that is found outside of Scripture. The only day that Jesus specifically says He is Lord of is the Sabbath, which is the seventh day.

Mark 2:28 Jesus said, "I am Lord of the Sabbath day.''

I understand the seventh day was used as a sign of the Old Covenant but it is also a sign, when kept holy, that testifies to people around us that we worship the one true God of creation.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Ezekiel 20:20 Keep my Sabbaths holy; let them be a sign between me and you, so that people may know that I am the LORD your God.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The Sabbath, when kept holy, is also a sign that says it's God who is sanctifiying us.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Ezekiel 20:12 "And also I gave them My Sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

The Sabbath is also a light that bears witness to a creation and it's Creator. A light that travels through time. If the world kept the Sabbath holy it would be very hard to accept and teach the theory of evolution.

Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

God blessed, sanctifed and called holy the seventh day as part of creation. It was blessed and sanctifed before sin was in the world so it has nothing to do with sin. When God sanctifies something and calls it holy that means it's set apart for His use and His purpose. This was done at creation.

There was no change to the day by Jesus or His disciples. The change came years after with no authority from Scripture.

God tells us to remember the Sabbath day. That word, remember, brings us back to creation week when God blessed and sanctifed the seventh day and called it holy.

If you love God you will keep His commandments over the commandments of men. Our worship is founded on obedience to the Laws of God.

Matthew 15:9 Their worship is worthless, for they teach their man-made laws instead of those from God.''
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Under the Old Covenant the Law was written on stone and influenced the actions of man through fear of punishment. Under the New Covenant the Law is written on our hearts and influences our thoughts through love.

1 John 4:17-18 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.

The Ten Commandments were written in stone with God's own finger. They are as a chain with ten links. If you break one link the whole chain is broken.

James 2:10-11 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, "Do not commit adultery,'' also said, "Do not murder.'' Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

We are not under the Old Law. The Old Law was done away with:

Are you unaware, brothers (for I am speaking to people who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over one as long as one lives? Thus a married woman is bound by law to her living husband; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law in respect to her husband. Consequently, while her husband is alive she will be called an adulteress if she consorts with another man. But if her husband dies she is free from that law, and she is not an adulteress if she consorts with another man.

In the same way, my brothers, you also were put to death to the law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to the one who was raised from the dead in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the flesh, our sinful passions, awakened by the law, worked in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, dead to what held us captive, so that we may serve in the newness of the spirit and not under the obsolete letter.(Rom 7:1-6)

Galatians 3, especially:
Before faith came, we were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. (Gal 3:23-25)

Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, was so glorious that the Israelites could not look intently at the face of Moses because of its glory that was going to fade, how much more will the ministry of the Spirit be glorious? (2 Cor 3:7-8)
What was carved in letters on stone and therefore described as “the ministry of death”. Answer – the Ten Commandments

For he is our peace, he who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of enmity, through his flesh, abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims, (Eph 2:14-15)

The Sabbath was a sign of the old Covenant. It is not applicable to the New Covenant.

There is not one verse in the entire New Testament that says Sunday is a special day to be kept holy.

There is nothing in the New Testament that says that the Saturday Sabbath should be kept.
However it is clear that the early Christians kept the first day of the week as a special day.
On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread (Acts 20:7) They met for the Eucharist on Sunday.
Sunday was the day when Jesus first celebrated the Eucharist after his resurrection (Lk 24:30)
Quotes from early documents confirm meeting for worship on Sunday was the normal practice.
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead"(Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

“When you come together on the Lord’s Day, break bread and give thanks, having confessed your sins, so that your sacrifice may be pure.” (The Didache – 1st Cent)

"Those who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death"(Ignatius of Antioch: Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead" (Justin Martyr: First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

To keep Sunday holy, in light of Jesus' resurrection, is a teaching found outside of Scripture.

I have given you examples above. The early Church post in apostolic and in post apostolic times kept Sunday as the day to celebrate and worship.

Official Statement of the Catholic Church
“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.

Official Statement of the Catholic Church ​

“Sunday is our mark of authority, the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923”.

The Catholic Record may, or may not, give official teaching of the Catholic Church. It is not authoritative on that account. It is just a newspaper. It is irrelevant to this discussion.

I gave you an authoritative quote - from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Then consider also that [FONT=&quot]Pope John Paul II in his Apostolic Letter Dies Domini (The Lord’s Day) - 1998
In the light of this [Paschal] mystery, the meaning of the Old Testament precept concerning the Lord's Day is recovered, perfected and fully revealed in the glory which shines on the face of the Risen Christ (cf. 2 Cor 4:6). We move from the "Sabbath" to the "first day after the Sabbath", from the seventh day to the first day: the dies Domini becomes the dies Christi!

It is recovered, not transferred. We move from Sabbath to the first day after the Sabbath. Note WE move not the Sabbath
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To say that Sunday is the Lord's day is another belief that is found outside of Scripture. The only day that Jesus specifically says He is Lord of is the Sabbath, which is the seventh day.

Mark 2:28 Jesus said, "I am Lord of the Sabbath day.''

Yes, Jesus proclaimed himself Lord of the Sabbath. And he also said he had not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it (Mt 5:17). So remembering the liberation of Israel from the slavery of Egypt becomes the remembering of the universal of Christ by his Death and Resurrection. It is more than a “replacement” of the Sabbath. Sunday becomes a true fulfilment of the Sabbath in remembering the saving actions of Christ on the “Lord’s Day”.
Christ accomplished a new "exodus", restoring freedom to the oppressed. He carried out many healings on the Sabbath (cf. Mt 12:9-14 and parallels). He did not thereby violate the Lord's Day, but to revealed its full meaning: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mk 2:27). Jesus therefore, as "Lord even of the Sabbath" (Mk 2:28), restores to the Sabbath observance its liberating character. We remember that Christ has liberated us from the slavery much more enslaving than that of the Israelites in Egypt.

I understand the seventh day was used as a sign of the Old Covenant but it is also a sign, when kept holy, that testifies to people around us that we worship the one true God of creation.

Ezekiel 20:20 Keep my Sabbaths holy; let them be a sign between me and you, so that people may know that I am the LORD your God.

The Sabbath, when kept holy, is also a sign that says it's God who is sanctifiying us.

Ezekiel 20:12 "And also I gave them My Sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

The Sabbath is also a light that bears witness to a creation and it's Creator. A light that travels through time. If the world kept the Sabbath holy it would be very hard to accept and teach the theory of evolution.

Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

God blessed, sanctifed and called holy the seventh day as part of creation. It was blessed and sanctifed before sin was in the world so it has nothing to do with sin. When God sanctifies something and calls it holy that means it's set apart for His use and His purpose. This was done at creation.

There is no need to keep a sign of a covenant that is not applicable to us.

If you keep the Sabbath you put yourself under the Old Law of Moses and, as you stated yourself, youare obliged to keep the whole of the Law, something the Jews themselves could not do.

There was no change to the day by Jesus or His disciples. The change came years after with no authority from Scripture.

I have show that there was. I have also shown that the change did not come years afterwards but there is clear evidence of keeping Sunday as the day of worship in apostolic and post apostolic times.

God tells us to remember the Sabbath day. That word, remember, brings us back to creation week when God blessed and sanctifed the seventh day and called it holy.

If you love God you will keep His commandments over the commandments of men. Our worship is founded on obedience to the Laws of God.

Matthew 15:9 Their worship is worthless, for they teach their man-made laws instead of those from God.''

God told the Jews under the Old Covenant to remember the Sabbath day

 

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Ex 31:12-18
The LORD said to Moses: You yourself are to speak to the Israelites: “You shall keep my sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, given in order that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you……Therefore the Israelites shall keep the sabbath, observing the sabbath throughout their generations, as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”

The Sabbath was a sign of the covenant between God and the Jewish people. It was a sign of the Old Covenant. It has nothing to do with the New Covenant




What some individual Catholic priest said 120 years ago is irrelevant. He was speaking his own opinion not for the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. If you want to claim the Catholic Church teaches something then you need to quote from official Church documents.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

 

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We are not under the Old Law. The Old Law was done away with:
Are you unaware, brothers (for I am speaking to people who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over one as long as one lives? Thus a married woman is bound by law to her living husband; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law in respect to her husband. Consequently, while her husband is alive she will be called an adulteress if she consorts with another man. But if her husband dies she is free from that law, and she is not an adulteress if she consorts with another man.

In the same way, my brothers, you also were put to death to the law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to the one who was raised from the dead in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the flesh, our sinful passions, awakened by the law, worked in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, dead to what held us captive, so that we may serve in the newness of the spirit and not under the obsolete letter.(Rom 7:1-6)
Galatians 3, especially:
Before faith came, we were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. (Gal 3:23-25)

Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, was so glorious that the Israelites could not look intently at the face of Moses because of its glory that was going to fade, how much more will the ministry of the Spirit be glorious? (2 Cor 3:7-8)
What was carved in letters on stone and therefore described as “the ministry of death”. Answer – the Ten Commandments

For he is our peace, he who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of enmity, through his flesh, abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims, (Eph 2:14-15)

The Sabbath was a sign of the old Covenant. It is not applicable to the New Covenant.

There is nothing in the New Testament that says that the Saturday Sabbath should be kept.
However it is clear that the early Christians kept the first day of the week as a special day.
On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread (Acts 20:7) They met for the Eucharist on Sunday.
Sunday was the day when Jesus first celebrated the Eucharist after his resurrection (Lk 24:30)
Quotes from early documents confirm meeting for worship on Sunday was the normal practice.
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead"(Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

“When you come together on the Lord’s Day, break bread and give thanks, having confessed your sins, so that your sacrifice may be pure.” (The Didache – 1st Cent)

"Those who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death"(Ignatius of Antioch: Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead" (Justin Martyr: First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

I have given you examples above. The early Church post in apostolic and in post apostolic times kept Sunday as the day to celebrate and worship.

The Catholic Record may, or may not, give official teaching of the Catholic Church. It is not authoritative on that account. It is just a newspaper. It is irrelevant to this discussion.

I gave you an authoritative quote - from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Then consider also that [FONT=&quot]Pope John Paul II in his Apostolic Letter Dies Domini (The Lord’s Day) - 1998[/FONT]

In the light of this [Paschal] mystery, the meaning of the Old Testament precept concerning the Lord's Day is recovered, perfected and fully revealed in the glory which shines on the face of the Risen Christ (cf. 2 Cor 4:6). We move from the "Sabbath" to the "first day after the Sabbath", from the seventh day to the first day: the dies Domini becomes the dies Christi!

It is recovered, not transferred. We move from Sabbath to the first day after the Sabbath. Note WE move not the Sabbath
Yes, Jesus proclaimed himself Lord of the Sabbath. And he also said he had not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it (Mt 5:17). So remembering the liberation of Israel from the slavery of Egypt becomes the remembering of the universal of Christ by his Death and Resurrection. It is more than a “replacement” of the Sabbath. Sunday becomes a true fulfilment of the Sabbath in remembering the saving actions of Christ on the “Lord’s Day”.

Christ accomplished a new "exodus", restoring freedom to the oppressed. He carried out many healings on the Sabbath (cf. Mt 12:9-14 and parallels). He did not thereby violate the Lord's Day, but to revealed its full meaning: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mk 2:27). Jesus therefore, as "Lord even of the Sabbath" (Mk 2:28), restores to the Sabbath observance its liberating character. We remember that Christ has liberated us from the slavery much more enslaving than that of the Israelites in Egypt.

There is no need to keep a sign of a covenant that is not applicable to us.

If you keep the Sabbath you put yourself under the Old Law of Moses and, as you stated yourself, youare obliged to keep the whole of the Law, something the Jews themselves could not do.

I have show that there was. I have also shown that the change did not come years afterwards but there is clear evidence of keeping Sunday as the day of worship in apostolic and post apostolic times.

God told the Jews under the Old Covenant to remember the Sabbath day

First of all the New Covenant is based on the words of Jesus not Justin Martyr, Ignatius of Antioch or anyone else outside of Scripture. The words of Jesus are the foundation of the New Covenant. We have to go to His words to build New Covenant principles. In the words of Jesus we neither hear Him doing away with the Sabbath nor do we find Him changing the day. What we do find is Jesus correcting the misunderstanding as to what could be done on the Sabbath. The fact that we find Jesus making these corrections is a powerful witness for Sabbath observance under the New Covenant.

The Law on stone was a ministry of death because of sin, not because of the Law itself. The Law itself was meant to bring life.

Romans 7:9-11 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me.

Once Jesus cleanses us of sin and writes the Law on our heart, which is the New Covenant, we will once again delight in the Law even though our outward man still struggles.

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

Hebrews 8:10 "For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days,'' says the Lord, "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Both Jew and Genltile are the house of Israel under the New Covenant through the filling of God's Spirit.

Just because God uses the Sabbath as a sign in the Old Covenant does not mean that's its only use. Marriage is an Old Covenant sign between a man and a woman yet God uses marriage as an example of His relationship with His church but that does not do away with the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman.

The seventh day was blessed and called holy before sin. God used the seventh day for many things not only a covenant sign.

The seventh day is a blessed day and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath of which He gave instruction that it is right to do good on the Sabbath. For some reason when Jesus says its right to do good on the Sabbath you interpret it to mean the Sabbath is done away with.

Not one of the eight first day text in the New Testament say anything about a Sabbath change. Look here for a detailed study on the misinterpretation of the first day verses http://looking4jesus.com/End-time-Delusion.html

Can you answer this question?

Do you believe it's okay to commit adultery or worship other Gods or use God's name in vain?

 

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Can you answer this question?

Do you believe it's okay to commit adultery or worship other Gods or use God's name in vain?

No, it's not and we know it's not because we are told it is not in the New Testament. The point is that the Old Law was abolished and we are given a New Law. The moral imperatives of the Old Law are carried over and restated in the New Law. Take for example the ones you give above:

You shall not have other gods besides me
You shall not carve idols for yourselves…
You shall not bow down before them or worship them…..
Carried over in Acts 14:11-15
When the crowds saw what Paul had done, they cried out in Lycaonian, “The gods have come down to us in human form.” They called Barnabas “Zeus” and Paul “Hermes,” because he was the chief speaker. And the priest of Zeus, whose temple was at the entrance to the city, brought oxen and garlands to the gates, for he together with the people intended to offer sacrifice.
The apostles Barnabas and Paul tore their garments when they heard this and rushed out into the crowd, shouting, “Men, why are you doing this? We are of the same nature as you, human beings. We proclaim to you good news that you should turn from these idols to the living God, ‘who made heaven and earth and sea and all that is in them.

And in 1Thess 1:9
For they themselves openly declare about us what sort of reception we had among you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God

And Mt 6:24
“No one can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
See also 1Cor 12:2, 1Jn 5:21, Rev 9:20

You shall not commit adultery.
Carried over in Heb 13:4
Let marriage be honoured among all and the marriage bed be kept undefiled, for God will judge the immoral and adulterers.
And Mt 5:27-28
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

NOWHERE in the New Testament do you find the Sabbath law carried over and restated.


Let me put this simply with some irrefutable facts.

1. The first time Sabbath is mentioned in the Bible is in Exodus.

2. God did not ask Adam or Noah or Abraham to keep the Sabbath.

3. The Sabbath was a sign of the Old (Mosaic) Covenant.

4. We are under the New Covenant not the Old.

5. Nowhere in the New Testament are we told to keep the Sabbath.

6. The Church, from apostolic times onwards has kept Sunday – the Lord’s Day - as the main day of worship in honour of the Lords Resurrection.

7. Sabbatarians are Judaizers who are putting themselves under the Old Law.

 

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winsome; No, it's not and we know it's not because we are told it is not in the New Testament. The point is that the Old Law was abolished and we are given a New Law. The moral imperatives of the Old Law are carried over and restated in the New Law. Take for example the ones you give above:

You shall not have other gods besides me
You shall not carve idols for yourselves…
You shall not bow down before them or worship them…..
Carried over in Acts 14:11-15
When the crowds saw what Paul had done, they cried out in Lycaonian, “The gods have come down to us in human form.” They called Barnabas “Zeus” and Paul “Hermes,” because he was the chief speaker. And the priest of Zeus, whose temple was at the entrance to the city, brought oxen and garlands to the gates, for he together with the people intended to offer sacrifice.
The apostles Barnabas and Paul tore their garments when they heard this and rushed out into the crowd, shouting, “Men, why are you doing this? We are of the same nature as you, human beings. We proclaim to you good news that you should turn from these idols to the living God, ‘who made heaven and earth and sea and all that is in them.

And in 1Thess 1:9
For they themselves openly declare about us what sort of reception we had among you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God

And Mt 6:24
“No one can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
See also 1Cor 12:2, 1Jn 5:21, Rev 9:20

You shall not commit adultery.
Carried over in Heb 13:4
Let marriage be honoured among all and the marriage bed be kept undefiled, for God will judge the immoral and adulterers.
And Mt 5:27-28
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Did you know that if you break any one of the Ten Commandments that you yourself mentioned above you've broken them all because the same God who said back then, "Do not commit adultery" also said at the same time "Do not commit murder" and the same God back then who said, "Do not commit murder" also said at the same time, "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy".

James 2:10-11 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, "Do not commit adultery,'' also said, "Do not murder.'' Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

NOWHERE in the New Testament do you find the Sabbath law carried over and restated.

The problem with the Sabbath, in Jesus' time, was all the ritualistic burdens that were put on the Sabbath day by the religious Jews. There were two ways to violate the Sabbath. One was to do unnecessary work on the Sabbath and the other was to put the Sabbath above human needs.

When you hear of people being corrected, in regard to the Ten Commandments, you hear them say things like the verses you quoted about. Because of the verses you quoted you say nine of the commandments are still valid even though I don't hear within the verse you quoted, "Thou shall not have other Gods before Me" nor do I hear, "Thou shall not commit adultery" yet you say those commandments are still in affect.

With this in mind, let's look at all the corrections Jesus made as it relates to how to keep the Sabbath day holy.

Matthew 12:1-5 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!'' Then He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: "how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? "Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?

Mark 2:23-27 Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain. And the Pharisees said to Him, "Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?'' But He said to them, "Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry, he and those with him: "how he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which is not lawful to eat, except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?'' And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. ?

In the above verses we don't hear Jesus doing away with the Sabbath, but rather, we hear Him magnifying the Sabbath in how He was correcting the people in how to keep it holy. Jesus even points us back to the Old Testament, which tells us that the truth Jesus was teaching them, regarding how to keep the Sabbath by not placing the Sabbath above necessary needs, was also priniciple that was used in the Old Testament as well.

Matthew 12:10-13 And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?'' that they might accuse Him. Then He said to them, "What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? "Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.'' Then He said to the man, "Stretch out your hand.'' And he stretched it out, and it was restored as whole as the other.

Here again we have Jesus teaching us the proper way to keep the Sabbath. In the above verses we find principle of Sabbath keeping that tell us the Sabbath should not be place above the necessary needs of living creatures. These teachings of Jesus do not do away with the Sabbath, but rather, they magnify and restore honor to the Sabbath day.

Matthew 24:19-20 Jesus said, "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those with nursing babies in those days! "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

Here we have Jesus foretelling of a terrible time of persecution that was to take place fourty years after Jesus' resurrection. Jesus was concerned His people having to flee if they were pregnant woman or if it was winter or if they had to flee during the Sabbath. I don't believe Jesus was warning them about violating that Sabbath by fleeing for their life, I believe He was indicating that it would be harder to flee on the Sabbath because for whatever reason. The point is that fourty years after the resurrection of Jesus, He was still confirming the Sabbath.

There is so much more that Jesus taught on how to keep the Sabbath holy but I think you can see that in all of Jesus' teachings, regarding the Sabbath, He never once said it was done away with or changed.

Let me put this simply with some irrefutable facts.

1. The first time Sabbath is mentioned in the Bible is in Exodus.

In the fourth commandment, God uses the word, "Remember" followed by "To keep the seventh day holy". When was the seventh day made holy? It was made holy at creation so when God says, "Remember" He was pointing back to creation week.

2. God did not ask Adam or Noah or Abraham to keep the Sabbath.

God didn not tell Cain that murder was wrong or a sin but when Cain was contemplating killing Abel God said sin was at Cain's door. Cain was punished for killing his brother. How can someone be punished for something that was never said to be wrong.

God never said coveting, murder, lying, adultery or stealing was a sin before Exodus but you find people being punished for committing those acts before Exodus.

3. The Sabbath was a sign of the Old (Mosaic) Covenant.

The Sabbath was used as a sign for the Old Covenant but is was still the Sabbath before it was used as a sign.

4. We are under the New Covenant not the Old.

Amen, because if we were under the Old Covenant we would be stoned for breaking the Law. But now we are now under grace, which does not do away with the Law, but rather, it does away with the swift punishment that should come for breaking the Law. The grace of God teaches us to deny sin, not continue it in it.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!

5. Nowhere in the New Testament are we told to keep the Sabbath.

I think you need to rephase your question to say this, "Where in the New Testament do we find Jesus teaching us how to keep the Sabbath?"

6. The Church, from apostolic times onwards has kept Sunday – the Lord’s Day - as the main day of worship in honour of the Lords Resurrection.

You like to ask things like, "Where does it say we have to keep the Sabbath in the New Testament?" so I would like to ask you a question. Where does it say Sunday is the Lord's day in the New Testament and where does it say we are to keep Sunday as the Lord's day in the New Testament?

7. Sabbatarians are Judaizers who are putting themselves under the Old Law.

Keeping the Sabbath, in light of how Jesus taught us, is an expression of love towards God and man.

 

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Did you know that if you break any one of the Ten Commandments that you yourself mentioned above you've broken them all because the same God who said back then, "Do not commit adultery" also said at the same time "Do not commit murder" and the same God back then who said, "Do not commit murder" also said at the same time, "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy".

James 2:10-11 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, "Do not commit adultery,'' also said, "Do not murder.'' Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

If you follow that argument then you should be keeping all 613 commands of the Old Law, like being circumcised, not eating pork, not clipping the hair at the temple, not trimming a beard, not putting on a garment with two different kinds of thread etc. etc.

Jesus abolished the Old Law. This is what you are failing to address.
Before faith came, we were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. (Gal 3:23-25). We are not under the Law

For he is our peace, he who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of enmity, through his flesh, abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims, (Eph 2:14-15) The Law is abolished

Are you unaware, brothers (for I am speaking to people who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over one as long as one lives? Thus a married woman is bound by law to her living husband; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law in respect to her husband. Consequently, while her husband is alive she will be called an adulteress if she consorts with another man. But if her husband dies she is free from that law, and she is not an adulteress if she consorts with another man.

In the same way, my brothers, you also were put to death to the law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to the one who was raised from the dead in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the flesh, our sinful passions, awakened by the law, worked in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, dead to what held us captive, so that we may serve in the newness of the spirit and not under the obsolete letter.(Rom 7:1-6) We are released from the Law

I don’t know how much clearer it could be.

The problem with the Sabbath, in Jesus' time, was all the ritualistic burdens that were put on the Sabbath day by the religious Jews. There were two ways to violate the Sabbath. One was to do unnecessary work on the Sabbath and the other was to put the Sabbath above human needs.

When you hear of people being corrected, in regard to the Ten Commandments, you hear them say things like the verses you quoted about. Because of the verses you quoted you say nine of the commandments are still valid even though I don't hear within the verse you quoted, "Thou shall not have other Gods before Me" nor do I hear, "Thou shall not commit adultery" yet you say those commandments are still in affect.

With this in mind, let's look at all the corrections Jesus made as it relates to how to keep the Sabbath day holy.

Matthew 12:1-5 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!'' Then He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: "how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? "Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?

Mark 2:23-27 Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain. And the Pharisees said to Him, "Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?'' But He said to them, "Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry, he and those with him: "how he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which is not lawful to eat, except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?'' And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. ?

In the above verses we don't hear Jesus doing away with the Sabbath, but rather, we hear Him magnifying the Sabbath in how He was correcting the people in how to keep it holy. Jesus even points us back to the Old Testament, which tells us that the truth Jesus was teaching them, regarding how to keep the Sabbath by not placing the Sabbath above necessary needs, was also priniciple that was used in the Old Testament as well.

Matthew 12:10-13 And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?'' that they might accuse Him. Then He said to them, "What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? "Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.'' Then He said to the man, "Stretch out your hand.'' And he stretched it out, and it was restored as whole as the other.

Here again we have Jesus teaching us the proper way to keep the Sabbath. In the above verses we find principle of Sabbath keeping that tell us the Sabbath should not be place above the necessary needs of living creatures. These teachings of Jesus do not do away with the Sabbath, but rather, they magnify and restore honor to the Sabbath day.

Jesus was a Jew talking to Jews before the Sabbath was done away with. Jesus lived under the Mosaic Covenant. He kept the Law because he was a Jew under that Covenant. We are not.

Matthew 24:19-20 Jesus said, "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those with nursing babies in those days! "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

Here we have Jesus foretelling of a terrible time of persecution that was to take place fourty years after Jesus' resurrection. Jesus was concerned His people having to flee if they were pregnant woman or if it was winter or if they had to flee during the Sabbath. I don't believe Jesus was warning them about violating that Sabbath by fleeing for their life, I believe He was indicating that it would be harder to flee on the Sabbath because for whatever reason. The point is that fourty years after the resurrection of Jesus, He was still confirming the Sabbath.

Jesus was not confirming the Sabbath. Sabbatarians like to quote this but they misinterpret it. There was a problem is fleeing on the Sabbath because the Jews would try and prevent them for violating the Jewish Sabbath. It’s nothing to do with Jesus confirming the Sabbath

There is so much more that Jesus taught on how to keep the Sabbath holy but I think you can see that in all of Jesus' teachings, regarding the Sabbath, He never once said it was done away with or changed.

Paul made it quite clear in the quotes I have given that the Sabbath was abolished.

In the fourth commandment, God uses the word, "Remember" followed by "To keep the seventh day holy". When was the seventh day made holy? It was made holy at creation so when God says, "Remember" He was pointing back to creation week.

God did not tell Cain that murder was wrong or a sin but when Cain was contemplating killing Abel God said sin was at Cain's door. Cain was punished for killing his brother. How can someone be punished for something that was never said to be wrong.

God never said coveting, murder, lying, adultery or stealing was a sin before Exodus but you find people being punished for committing those acts before Exodus.

The Sabbath was used as a sign for the Old Covenant but is was still the Sabbath before it was used as a sign.

No it wasn’t the Sabbath before made it so in Exodus.

God blessed the seventh day of creation and made it holy. He didn’t say he was blessing and making holy every seventh day. Neither did he command anyone to make it holy until he made it a Sabbath in Exodus

Amen, because if we were under the Old Covenant we would be stoned for breaking the Law. But now we are now under grace, which does not do away with the Law, but rather, it does away with the swift punishment that should come for breaking the Law. The grace of God teaches us to deny sin, not continue it in it.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!

Grace does do away with the Old Law because it was abolished – see all the verses I have quoted. We are under the New Law and nowhere does the New Law say we are to keep the Sabbath

I think you need to rephase your question to say this, "Where in the New Testament do we find Jesus teaching us how to keep the Sabbath?"

It wasn’t a question but a statement and it doesn’t need re-phrasing just because you have no response to it.

You like to ask things like, "Where does it say we have to keep the Sabbath in the New Testament?" so I would like to ask you a question. Where does it say Sunday is the Lord's day in the New Testament and where does it say we are to keep Sunday as the Lord's day in the New Testament?

Keeping the Sabbath, in light of how Jesus taught us, is an expression of love towards God and man.

The first Christians kept Sunday as their main day of worship. It came to be called The Lord’s Day.
As I quoted before:
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead"(Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

“When you come together on the Lord’s Day, break bread and give thanks, having confessed your sins, so that your sacrifice may be pure.” (The Didache – 1st Cent)

When did they come together to break bread?
On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread (Acts 20:7)

 

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winsome: If you follow that argument then you should be keeping all 613 commands of the Old Law, like being circumcised, not eating pork, not clipping the hair at the temple, not trimming a beard, not putting on a garment with two different kinds of thread etc. etc.

The Ten Commandments is the only Law that was written with God's own finger. It's these same commandments that God wrote in stone under the Old Covenant and now writes in our hearts with His finger love under the New Covenant.

Jesus abolished the Old Law. This is what you are failing to address.
Before faith came, we were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. (Gal 3:23-25). We are not under the Law

For he is our peace, he who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of enmity, through his flesh, abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims, (Eph 2:14-15) The Law is abolished

Are you unaware, brothers (for I am speaking to people who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over one as long as one lives? Thus a married woman is bound by law to her living husband; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law in respect to her husband. Consequently, while her husband is alive she will be called an adulteress if she consorts with another man. But if her husband dies she is free from that law, and she is not an adulteress if she consorts with another man.

In the same way, my brothers, you also were put to death to the law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to the one who was raised from the dead in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the flesh, our sinful passions, awakened by the law, worked in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, dead to what held us captive, so that we may serve in the newness of the spirit and not under the obsolete letter.(Rom 7:1-6) We are released from the Law

I don’t know how much clearer it could be.

Did Jesus come to abolish the Law?

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.

The marriage issue was the fact that the marriage covenant had authority over the person so as to prevent them from being with another without committing adultery. This is the same with the Ten Commandments. We are not under the Law so as to it having the authority to bring the death penalty for breaking it because of the grace of God but God's grace does not give us the right to break it. In the same way once we are free from the marriage covenant we do not have the right to go sleep around.

Jesus was a Jew talking to Jews before the Sabbath was done away with. Jesus lived under the Mosaic Covenant. He kept the Law because he was a Jew under that Covenant. We are not.

The way Jesus lived His life while He was alive was our example.

1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Christ ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

Once Jesus died everything He said was sealed. If He made any changes to the Sabbath it would have to be done while He was still living but we don't find Him making any changes.

Hebrews 9:15-17 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.

The part of the Law that was nailed to the cross was the curse, in other words, the penelty for sin, not the Law itself.

Galatians 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree''),

The foundation of the gospel message is that Jesus died for our sins, the Law is not sin, it points out sin so we can come to Christ and make the changes in our lives once we come to Christ to have our sin, which is the transgression of the Law, cleansed.

When God says we are not under law but under grace He is referring to the side of the Law that speaks of the curse because of Sin. He is not saying the Lasw is sin or that we can break the Law.

Romans 7:12-13 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

The opposite of grace is not lawlessness, it's punishment.

Jesus was not confirming the Sabbath. Sabbatarians like to quote this but they misinterpret it. There was a problem is fleeing on the Sabbath because the Jews would try and prevent them for violating the Jewish Sabbath. It’s nothing to do with Jesus confirming the Sabbath

Paul made it quite clear in the quotes I have given that the Sabbath was abolished.

However you want to interpret the above verse does not change the fact that Jesus still called it the Sabbath, of which He is Lord of.

No it wasn’t the Sabbath before made it so in Exodus.

God blessed the seventh day of creation and made it holy. He didn’t say he was blessing and making holy every seventh day. Neither did he command anyone to make it holy until he made it a Sabbath in Exodus

The rest that we do on the Sabbath is not what makes the day holy. The day is holy so we rest in light of its holiness. The holiness of the seventh day was established at creation even before sin was in the world.

Grace does do away with the Old Law because it was abolished – see all the verses I have quoted. We are under the New Law and nowhere does the New Law say we are to keep the Sabbath

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!

Grace is the fact that God does not punish us for breaking the Law so that we can freely come to His without fear so that love would be our motive for obedence, rather than, fear.

The first Christians kept Sunday as their main day of worship. It came to be called The Lord’s Day.

As I quoted before:

"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead"(Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

“When you come together on the Lord’s Day, break bread and give thanks, having confessed your sins, so that your sacrifice may be pure.” (The Didache – 1st Cent)

When did they come together to break bread?
On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread (Acts 20:7)

The early church is found in Scripture, not outside of Scripture. If we go outside of Scripture we would also have to say that the early church killed Christians too. Should that be our standard today as well?

The early church in the Bible did in fact keep the Sabbath.

 

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The Ten Commandments were written with God's own finger. It's these same commandments that God wrote in stone and now writes in our hearts with His the finger love.

Very poetical but the Bible does not say that.
The Law was the Law. It was not subdivided.


James 2:10-11
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

Jesus gave us a New Covenant with New Laws. Many of these were the same, or expansion of, the moral commandments of the Old Law. Sabbath keeping was not among them.


I keep giving you scriptures that show that the Old Covenant and the Old Law was abolished but you make no attempt to answer them. Here is another one:

Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, was so glorious that the Israelites could not look intently at the face of Moses because of its glory that was going to fade, how much more will the ministry of the Spirit be glorious? (2 Cor 3:7-8)
What was carved in letters on stone and therefore described as “the ministry of death”. Answer – the Ten Commandments

Did Jesus come to abolish the Law?

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.

So in that literalistic thinking the whole Law is still in operation? The Law is the whole Law no just a Ten Commandments.
Do you keep the whole Law - like being circumcised, not eating pork, not clipping the hair at the temple, not trimming a beard, not putting on a garment with two different kinds of thread etc. etc.

The way Jesus lived His life while He was alive was our example.

1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Christ ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

Jesus wore tassels on a robe with a blue cord.
Jesus paid tax to the temple and supported temple worship
Jesus went to a Jewish synagogue on Sabbath and read from the Torah in Hebrew.
Jesus kept all 12 sabbaths including eating the Passover lamb.
Jesus did not own a home, did not marry, was not employed, had no income, stayed in other peoples homes, rode a donkey.

Do you do all these?


You said in an earlier post
“He [Jesus] never once said it [the Sabbath] was done away with or changed.”

You can equally apply that argument to circumcision. Jesus never once said it was done away with. But in Acts 15 the Church decided it was. Moreover the reason they ruled on it at all is interesting.
Acts 15:1
Some who had come down from Judea were instructing the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the Mosaic practice, you cannot be saved.”
You see it’s the same issue of living under the Mosaic Law or not. The apostles ruled that we are not.

(contd.)

 

[winsome]

Once Jesus died everything He said was sealed. If He made any changes to the Sabbath it would have to be done while He was still living but we don't find Him making any changes.

Not true. Revelation was given to the apostles after his death, particularly to Paul and John (the book of Revelation). It was sealed upon the death of the last apostle.

And as I said above he made no changes to circumcision either.

Hebrews 9:15-17 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.

The part of the Law that was nailed to the cross was the curse, in other words, the penelty for sin, not the Law itself.

Galatians 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree''),

The foundation of the gospel message is that Jesus died for our sins, the Law is not sin, it points out sin so we can come to Christ and make the changes in our lives once we come to Christ to have our sin, which is the transgression of the Law, cleansed.

When God says we are not under law but under grace He is referring to the side of the Law that speaks of the curse because of Sin. He is not saying the Lasw is sin or that we can break the Law.

Romans 7:12-13 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

The opposite of grace is not lawlessness, it's punishment.

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!

Grace is the fact that God does not punish us for breaking the Law so that we can freely come to His without fear so that that love would be our motive for obedence, rather than, fear.

Are you suggesting that we can now sin without any penalties? The Law applies but there are no penalties for breaking it.
That is absurd.
Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor 9,10).

I keep posting these and you fail to address them
Before faith came, we were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. (Gal 3:23-25). We are not under the Law

For he is our peace, he who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of enmity, through his flesh, abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims, (Eph 2:14-15) The Law is abolished

Are you unaware, brothers (for I am speaking to people who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over one as long as one lives? Thus a married woman is bound by law to her living husband; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law in respect to her husband. Consequently, while her husband is alive she will be called an adulteress if she consorts with another man. But if her husband dies she is free from that law, and she is not an adulteress if she consorts with another man.

In the same way, my brothers, you also were put to death to the law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to the one who was raised from the dead in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the flesh, our sinful passions, awakened by the law, worked in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, dead to what held us captive, so that we may serve in the newness of the spirit and not under the obsolete letter.(Rom 7:1-6) We are released from the Law

Nowhere in these quotes does it say it is just punishment that we are released from (for example).
abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims
so that we may serve in the newness of the spirit and not under the obsolete letter
Which part of these do you not understand?

And then there is this:
When he speaks of a “new” covenant, he declares the first one obsolete. And what has become obsolete and has grown old is close to disappearing (Heb 8:13)

And even when you were dead (in) transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, he brought you to life along with him, having forgiven us all our transgressions; obliterating the bond against us, with its legal claims, which was opposed to us, he also removed it from our midst, nailing it to the cross;
Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or sabbath. (Coll 2:13-15, 16)

(contd)

 

[winsome]

The early church is found in Scripture, not outside of Scripture. If we go outside of Scripture we would also have to say that the early church killed Christians too. Should that be our standard today as well?

The early church in the Bible did in fact keep the Sabbath.

The early Church is found both in scripture and outside it.
The early Church did not keep the Sabbath.

The only time it is recorded that Jesus broke bread was on the first day of the week.(Acts 24:30)

On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread (Acts 20:7)

"On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that contributions need not be made when I come." (1Cor 16:2)
He says that because that is the day them met for worship, not Saturday.

"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead"(Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

“When you come together on the Lord’s Day, break bread and give thanks, having confessed your sins, so that your sacrifice may be pure.” (The Didache – 1st Cent)

Both of the last two quotes are from apostolic times.


The early church continued to meet on Sunday:
"Those who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death"(Ignatius of Antioch: Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).
Note, this is less than 20 years after the death of the last apostle. Ingnatius of Antioch was reputed to be a disciple of the apostle John and a friend of Polycarp who was also a disciple of John.

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead" (Justin Martyr: First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

 

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The early Church is found both in scripture and outside it.
The early Church did not keep the Sabbath.

The only time it is recorded that Jesus broke bread was on the first day of the week.(Acts 24:30)

On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread (Acts 20:7)

"On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that contributions need not be made when I come." (1Cor 16:2)
He says that because that is the day them met for worship, not Saturday.

"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead"(Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

“When you come together on the Lord’s Day, break bread and give thanks, having confessed your sins, so that your sacrifice may be pure.” (The Didache – 1st Cent)

Both of the last two quotes are from apostolic times.

The early church continued to meet on Sunday:
"Those who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death"(Ignatius of Antioch: Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).
Note, this is less than 20 years after the death of the last apostle. Ingnatius of Antioch was reputed to be a disciple of the apostle John and a friend of Polycarp who was also a disciple of John.

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead" (Justin Martyr: First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

It's important to use the Bible and the Bible alone to form our doctrines. All these men you quote as saying Sunday is the Lord's are found outside of Scripture. These men came to their conclusion based on there interpretation of the verses you quoted. But keep in mind, Satan had a plan long ago to change God's Law and time so at some point this was going to happen. With this in mind, let's take a closer look at the verses they used to prove a Sabbath change.​

Before we start, it's also important that we understand two things. First, we can break bread seven days a week if we want because breaking bread is just a term used for fellowship but just because we fellowship does not mean we do away with the Sabbath. Second, the Bible is clear, the Sabbath, which is the seventh day, is in fact the Lord's day.​

Leviticus 23:3 You will work for six days, but the seventh will be a day of complete rest, a day for the sacred assembly on which you do no work at all. Wherever you live, this is a Sabbath for LORD.​

Now let's take a look at the term 'Lord's Day'.​

The term, "The Lord's day" was taken from Revelation 1:10.​

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet.​

There is not one mention in this verse of Sunday or Saturday being the Lord's Day so saying Sunday is the Lord's from this verse is something that has to be added by man.​

Now let's continue to the 'first day' texts.​

The first one is found in Acts 20:7.​

Acts 20:7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.​

Right away we can see the reason for the gathering was because Paul was leaving the next day, not because it was a worship service or a change of the Sabbath day.​

Another important thing to understand in this verse is that the Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday and ends at sunset on Saturday. This gathering happened after the close of the Sabbath at sunset on Saturday, which would now make it the first day. To us it would still be Saturday because our days go from midnight to midnight but, to a Jew, the days go from sunset to sunset. Paul talked from sunset Saturday (making it the first day) until midnight. Then at sunrise, which would be Sunday morning, Paul left for his journey. He walked a long distance and then took a boat. If Sunday was now the day of worship or the Lord's Day Paul would have never journeyed all day, but instead, he would have been in church preaching on the Sabbath, like it was His custom.​

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures. ​

The next verse we'll look at is 1 Corinthians 16:2.​

1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let each one of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come.

Some people use this verse to say a church offering was taken on the first day so they must have been in church but a quick look at this verse we will see this is not what Paul was saying. Paul was going away but when he returned he was going to take some supplies to the saints in Jerusalem. The important words in this verse are the words, 'Lay by him in store'. People interpret these words to mean a church offering but this is not so. These words, 'Lay by him in store' are referring to getting things together from home such as water, food, livestock or whatever else the suffering saints in Jerusalem would need. Some Bible translations make it clear.​

Darby Bible Translation​

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first of the week let each of you put by at home, laying up in whatever degree he may have prospered, that there may be no collections when I come.

Weymouth New Testament
1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week let each of you put on one side and store up at his home whatever gain has been granted to him; so that whenever I come, there may then be no collections going on.​

International Standard Version
1 Corinthians 16:2 After the Sabbath ends, each of you should set aside and save something from your surplus in proportion to what you have, so that no collections will have to be made when I arrive.​

Paul knew how getting all this stuff together from their homes and barns would be labor intensive and time consuming so he specifically tells them to do it on the first day, rather than, on the Sabbath day.​

The next verse we'll look at is John 20:19.​

John 20:19 Then, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them, "Peace be with you.'' ​

Some people say the disciples gathered in this verse on the first day to worship God. They use this verse to say that the Sabbath was now changed from the seventh day to the first day but a quick look at the context will show it to be a delusion. The disciples were not gathering to worship God, they were hiding for fear of the Jews. Jesus had been crucified and they didn't know what was going to happen to them so they hid. Some people go as far as to say that they gathered in these verses to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus but this also is a delusion. The truth of the matter is, the disciples didn't even know Jesus had risen at this point this is why they were hiding for fear that the Jews would kill them too just like they did to Jesus.

So as you can see, none of these 'first day' texts say what people are making them say. The Sabbath is still the seventh day and we should honor it as the Lord commands.

One more piece of evidence that many people have never noticed. Before Paul's conversion, while on the road to Damascus, he told Jesus how he would go from synagogue to synagogue imprisonnig Christians, those who believed in Jesus.

Acts 22:19 Paul replied, 'Lord, they themselves know that from synagogue to synagogue I used to imprison and beat those who believed in you.

In other words, these early Christians were worshiping on the Sabbath in the synagogues when Paul pulled them out to imprison them.