Iran - where is this going?

Wolfman66 said:

Well I usually have something to add to a thread but I am completely without confidence on this one. I guess I have just lost faith in anything happening. Over the years they predict something is going to happen and pfffthhhh nothing ever has..............so far at least.
I must be alone but Im losing hope here.

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Hang in there , it's coming...




Osama bin Laden's latest tape, verified by the CIA, says more attacks are planned on U.S. soil.

Yes but I am impatient. Wish I werent but Im ready to see the exit sign.
Soooo ready.

Lu 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Wolfman66 said:

Well I usually have something to add to a thread but I am completely without confidence on this one. I guess I have just lost faith in anything happening. Over the years they predict something is going to happen and pfffthhhh nothing ever has..............so far at least.
I must be alone but Im losing hope here.

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the media controls your minds they are also intrinsically involved on what the devils are going to do. The devils are busy at war with each other and they implicate the pawns by convincing them that their theories are right. On one hand you have a kind of mulsim extremist' which is to say ' a want to be moral man' at least veiwed according to the way they see god and they see defending their freedoms. One of there main beefs is the liberalism of the western cultures. They see democracy as a way to exploit and expose their women and increase their bodily exposure, so they can see their skin and thier curves. That 's what they say the 'Jews' are trying to do to them. So they are teach their own that the west is a sick evil way of living and is opposed to the God of the Bible.

AND THEY ARE RIGHT IN MANY WAYS.

so the fears of the middle east center around the jews who are the poster children of so called the God of all Gods, who is backed by the mighty army and their enemy as well the USA.

So your gove boys are saying we have to defend democracy, that little country called jerusalem.
They are not saying they are defending God of Abraham.
They son't say they are defending jesus and his birth place b/c he's coming back.

NO, They say they are defending playboy and penthouse and want to undress the women all comvered up and get to dance booty style and sell the g string underwear.
That ;'s the bottom line, fellas.

And bin laden and the other so called religious zealots don't want the demons, devils of democracy coming into their houses via the TV, and showing how to get more booty and promote sicko soap operas all day long and sell them less clothes to wear and call themselves equal rights and womens rights.

Futhermore ultimately the western culture knows that their will be tension between the party's within these cultures and they see that changing thier cultural ideas will cause civil disobediance and war hence confusion.

This is the art of of the King of Evils, to keep the world subject to the elitists devils and their exploits of the masses of people all the while keeping a focus on what is important to their own way of life.

oil

and the use and control of it.

What you don't get from the mixed media is the long term projection and master planning of the Devils and kings of Greed and who it should go in 10 or 40 years.

You are kept on the edge of your seat , but they have long term goals and try to fit it in for the future of their personal agenda's

Though the devils have their ways of planning God is still in charge and if you can get a glimpse into the Supreme Plan of God it is to establish the NEw Zion seperate from what once was, since that is place is not ever going to be in a peaceful way, b/c there will be no agreement as to who 's God is who and the jews will forever deny the son came and came again, b/c that goes against their game plan of financial and cultural controls ie Follywood and the median and the financial world.

This is a very quick synopsis of what the HOLY PROPHETS wrote in the OT, repeatedly, regarding their times and the same was prophecied for the future except the names of places have changed.
This is what you must become aware of, names change, but the SPIRIT IS THE SAME.

get it, you can change your name even the name of your city , but or football ball team, but what's in a name? nothing. but a name.

the same is with God. God is Spirit worship Him in sprirt and His name is Yeshua.

are you reading and understanding the OT???????

no !!!!!!!

So when will you hear properly?

Brain Damage said:

Hang in there , it's coming...

Osama bin Laden's latest tape, verified by the CIA, says more attacks are planned on U.S. soil.

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You dont think that bin Laden is really behind this do you?
He's a great scapegoat, nothing more.
If he's not working for the Americans, then he's dead, and Bush is still using him for his gain.
Ever read Orwell's 1984? Remember Emmanuel Goldstein...?
See a similarity?

I've read from reliable sources that many experts think Iran is 8-10 years away from actually having a nuclear bomb.

A lot can happen in that time. I wonder if people were equally sure something terrible was going to happen during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Perhaps 40 years from now, only a few historians will know that the Republic of Persia was at one time scaring Americans.

The current estimates run from your 8yr scenario right down to three months after beginning enrichment in earnest.....take your pick.
Add to that the extremely possible scenario of having already obtained either enough fissile material from more than one possible sources,to ready to use nukes from the rebel states like Chechnaya etc.(there are 1-200 missing nuclear devices that are not yet accounted for in the former Soviet Union.)
Latest claims are that they have also the schematics for casting components and shaping the primary explosives.atc,IN OTHER WORDS THE COMPLETE INSTUCTIONS!
The propaganda is ratchetting up!as the weeks go by till they actually unleash the dogs of war,we should see the scariness of the Iranian wmd potential rocket even higher on the stridency scale.
By the time Isreal and the US are ready to bomb the sites they already have targeted and identified as" hot "Iran will have grown in stature to such a world menace that they will have no choice but to do something to save the world from this tiny nation.
(and incidently gain control of a further 20%of the worlds oil resources.)

The biblcal perspective about Iran is deduced from the book of Daniel. In the image which Nebuchadnezzar dreamt, the stone struck the image while it was standing.

However from history we know that the empires rose and fell one after another. When one empire, like Babylon was in existence, Persia (modern day Iran) was not prominent.

But in the vision, the stone struck the image when it was standing. This means that the all the nations that were included in the image must come to prominence in the last days. The stone represts the return of our Lord to establish the everlasing kingdom.

Therefore what now you see and hear about Iran is the precursor to the events that are yet to be unfolded. Iraq (Babylon) must become rich. It will take sometime for it to happen. While that is being decided, another important event also must take place.

That event is the change in the world's climate. many are unaware that the Bible talks about the worldwide rise of seas and floding of the farming lands. This will bring on the greatest famine the world has seen.

Moreover, AC will come from north west of Israel for Daniel 8:9 says he will flow into Israel in south and east ward. That means he has to start with north and west. The little horn is the name Daniel gives for AC. He comes from the 4 horns after the first horn was broken. Daniel was told the first horn was the first king of greece i.e., Alaxender the great. His kingdom was divided into 4 parts. Persia, Egypt, Syria and Greece. AC will come from the Greecian line.

Watch out for the following nations as they take their place in the world arena before the return of our Lord:

1. European countries that were in Roman Empire
2. Egypt
3. Syria
4. Iraq (Babylon)
5. Iran (Persia)
6. Turkey and Turkish nations of central Asia

You can see the clouds gathering at these countries.As Jesus said, let us watch and look up for His coming!

bertie said:

The current estimates run from your 8yr scenario right down to three months after beginning enrichment in earnest.....take your pick.

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Ok, I'll take the 8-year scenario. Now that that's settled..

bertie said:

Add to that the extremely possible scenario of having already obtained either enough fissile material from more than one possible sources,to ready to use nukes from the rebel states like Chechnaya etc.(there are 1-200 missing nuclear devices that are not yet accounted for in the former Soviet Union.)

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If they already HAVE it, why are they making such a fuss about wanting to DEVELOP it? That doesn't make sense.

bertie said:

Latest claims are that they have also the schematics for casting components and shaping the primary explosives.atc,IN OTHER WORDS THE COMPLETE INSTUCTIONS!

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It's amazing what you can find in the pages of world net daily.

This is an interesting note I found on a well known escatology scholars website that might put the going on in Iran in a new perspective:

" According to the Shiite branch of the Islamic religion the 12th Imam disappeared as a child in A.D. 941.
Most Shiites believe he has been supernaturally preserved somewhere in the Middle East , either in Saudi Arabia or Iraq , and will re-emerge at the end of days.
They contend that he will unite the Islamic world in the end of days, and three things will happen:
He will lead an Islamic revival in which the Jews will be destroyed.

• Christians will forsake their belief in the Trinity.
• And Christians will acknowledge that Jesus is not the Son of God.

Bringing Back the Mahdi
Currently leading this revival of interest in the Mahdi is the new president of Iran , Mahmoud Ahamdinejad. This fanatical Muslim leader sees himself on a mission from Allah to “pave the path for the glorious reappearance of the Imam Mahdi.”
He is telling people in Iran to prepare for the coming of the Mahdi by turning Iran into a mighty, advanced Islamic society, and by avoiding the corruption and excesses of the West.
Ahamdinejad has restored the concept of the Hidden Imam as the central truth of Iran ’s political, cultural, economic and social life. He emphasizes the theme that the return of the Shiite messiah, the Mahdi, is not far off and Muslims must prepare for it!
The most disturbing rhetoric is his obsession with nuclear arms. The intelligence community is certain the Iranians want nuclear weapons, and would use them against Israel and the United states the moment they know they can.

This pre-occupation with the Mahdi has the West concerned that a nuclear-armed Islamic republic could trigger a global nuclear conflict if they think it will help bring about the Islamic expectations of the end of the world!
The Mahdi is expected by some traditions to lead a war between the East and the West, in which the West will be defeated and the East will rise under the leadership of this Islamic savior.
Ahamadinejad claims he has secretly met with the future Mahdi. Sources in Iran say that he has written and signed a pact with the Hidden Imam and has asked all his officials to do so. He also claims that the Mahdi told him in a dream to destroy Israel and make plans to attack America .
The most stunning statement was when those closest to the new president say they expect the Mahdi to appear within the next two years! "
From Perry Stone's website

Could the antichrist be alive and well in the middle east and rise to power in the next two years? Will be interesting to watch how the next two years unfold won't it.

kokov said:

The biblcal perspective about Iran is deduced from the book of Daniel. In the image which Nebuchadnezzar dreamt, the stone struck the image while it was standing.

However from history we know that the empires rose and fell one after another. When one empire, like Babylon was in existence, Persia (modern day Iran) was not prominent.

But in the vision, the stone struck the image when it was standing. This means that the all the nations that were included in the image must come to prominence in the last days. The stone represts the return of our Lord to establish the everlasing kingdom.

Therefore what now you see and hear about Iran is the precursor to the events that are yet to be unfolded. Iraq (Babylon) must become rich. It will take sometime for it to happen. While that is being decided, another important event also must take place.

That event is the change in the world's climate. many are unaware that the Bible talks about the worldwide rise of seas and floding of the farming lands. This will bring on the greatest famine the world has seen.

Moreover, AC will come from north west of Israel for Daniel 8:9 says he will flow into Israel in south and east ward. That means he has to start with north and west. The little horn is the name Daniel gives for AC. He comes from the 4 horns after the first horn was broken. Daniel was told the first horn was the first king of greece i.e., Alaxender the great. His kingdom was divided into 4 parts. Persia, Egypt, Syria and Greece. AC will come from the Greecian line.

Watch out for the following nations as they take their place in the world arena before the return of our Lord:

1. European countries that were in Roman Empire
2. Egypt
3. Syria
4. Iraq (Babylon)
5. Iran (Persia)
6. Turkey and Turkish nations of central Asia

You can see the clouds gathering at these countries.As Jesus said, let us watch and look up for His coming!

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Yep.....I'll agree......if one looks at Daniel chapter 2 ..verse 35...it says...then was the iron.. clay.. brass.. silver.. gold...broken to pieces TOGETHER......

cant wait to read about in the world net daily...
The idea that they may have one or two weapons came to me when i noted th great strides they were making in missle tech nology.
They have more advanced missles than mere convetional weapons would call for i thought.
Not only that but they have steadily improved their all round missle technlogy with a steadfastness that belies the negotiation process on enrichment.Why push so hard to get the delivery system in place if you have nothing to deliver,and are negotiating to cease production of weapons grade uranium permanently?

bertie said:

Why push so hard to get the delivery system in place if you have nothing to deliver,and are negotiating to cease production of weapons grade uranium permanently?

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They might negotiate differently than you or I. I suspect they are sabre-rattling. Or, perhaps they just want to be ready when they do get a nuke. Or, perhaps they are just delusional, like Hitler in 1945. Or, perhaps something different. Perhaps they are in cahoots with the gove boys.

The propaganda is getting shriller every day,on both sides....Though it may be a little premature,i think we all should be paying attention to any aircraft deployments of the right types,to europe,or turkey,the Caucasus or whatever that may indicate the buildup for an air strike is under way.The Isrealis are mid purchase of the right aircraft for such a strike,and accellerated delivery of them may be a sign....stuff like that you find here and there is important info from here on out till they resolve the impasse which they will one way or another as stataed by both the US,France,Isreal and Iran.A nuclear first strike is not a small possibility in the end that they really do have to go for it.

Oh, I agree, the possibilities are very interesting. I don't pretend to know more than the intelligence agencies whose job it is to track these things. Althought I don't believe we are on the brink of war with Iran, I could certainly be wrong.

I'm just not willing to make a definite call, yet. But, I'm certainly paying attention.

I dont think it a presumption to suppose that either side will grab onto and work to death,any advantage they percieve they may ahve.as well as exploit every opportunity to bloody the other guys nose.
The one difference between them and US is that they believe they are fighting and dying for their families their countrys and their religion.We on the other hand are only doing it for the oil,the money.And domination of the world in the comming oil poor years.

OttawaUk said:

Any predictions on the Iran situation? Ahmadinejad is quite the nut in the right place for a hungry squirrel.

How do you guys think this is going to go? Iran gets attacked? Attacks? Shuts down their oil? UN sanctions?

Any way you slice this, its not looking good.

OU

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Hmm, like a lot of you here, I am watching the news, and reading up on Iran. This guy is like Hitler come back from the dead!

mhoward

jeffweeder said:

Whatever is going to happen, i think will happen quickly.
There may be more to this than meets the eye.

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I have been wondering that too, Jeff. It is like he is trying to provoke, either the US, or Israel into striking first? Something that would not hurt any of us to pray over.
mhoward