Intersexuality

[MachZer0]

Absolutely nothing. That's the point. This entire thread has nothing to do with homosexuals.

Earlier, you said this:



If this is true, then STOP DOING IT! This thread is not about homosexual marriage or sexual orientation--or, it wasn't until you and TwinCrier started dithering about such things. It is, or was, about a medical issue and the confusing legal situations it produces. Please stop twisting the conversation to pursue your own agenda, and then tearfully bemoaning the fact that it is being twisted.

I think a review of the OP would benefit you greatly in this discussion

 

[Waiting for the Verdict]

I think a review of the OP would benefit you greatly in this discussion

Mach, I'm not really interested per se in whether homosexuality is moral or not, for the purpose of this thread. My point was that outlawing gay marriage would almost inevitably lead to the outlawing of intersexuals who wanted to get married. My point was that if one wants to outlaw gay marriage, there needs to be a more exact method than stating marriage is between "one man and one woman." For instance, an alternate definition might be that marriage is between "one male phenotype and one female phenotype."

That's all.

 

[MachZer0]

Mach, I'm not really interested per se in whether homosexuality is moral or not, for the purpose of this thread. My point was that outlawing gay marriage would almost inevitably lead to the outlawing of intersexuals who wanted to get married. My point was that if one wants to outlaw gay marriage, there needs to be a more exact method than stating marriage is between "one man and one woman." For instance, an alternate definition might be that marriage is between "one male phenotype and one female phenotype."

That's all.

So you are indeed equating intersexuality with homosexuality

 

[Mling]

So you are indeed equating intersexuality with homosexuality

Only in the sense that if a person has both male and female parts, any relationship they are in might be considered both homosexual and heterosexual. Therefore, without a clear definition of which parts determine a persons sex, laws governing which types of marriage are allowed may end up barring people who are intersexed from marrying anybody at all.

But calling any relationship in which one partner is intersexed "homosexual" or "heterosexual" without considering any one relationship, is a matter of tossing around pure definitions and their logical conclusions, without concern for what those words really mean. I don't believe anybody here has suggested that people who are intersexed hold the social role or identity of "homosexual."

 

[MachZer0]

Only in the sense that if a person has both male and female parts, any relationship they are in might be considered both homosexual and heterosexual. Therefore, without a clear definition of which parts determine a persons sex, laws governing which types of marriage are allowed may end up barring people who are intersexed from marrying anybody at all.

But calling any relationship in which one partner is intersexed "homosexual" or "heterosexual" without considering any one relationship, is a matter of tossing around pure definitions and their logical conclusions, without concern for what those words really mean. I don't believe anybody here has suggested that people who are intersexed hold the social role or identity of "homosexual."

That leaves the premise of the OP quite confusing

 

[Mling]

That leaves the premise of the OP quite confusing

Not really.

It's a pretty simple question. It could also be addressed to anybody who opposes hetersexual marriage, though I don't know of anybody who does.

I'll try to summerize: If marriage is restricted only to one "man" with one "woman," but "man" and "woman" are not well-defined in our legal system, then what, in the opinion of anybody who cares to answer, should the law be concerning people who are medically both "men" and "women?"

Should they be allowed to marry anybody (because any relationship might be considered heterosexual)? Nobody (because any relationship might be considered homsexual)? Are there other answers?