interracial relationship?

[Mechanical Bliss]

No where in the bible does it say interacial marriage is an abomination-

However religion was used (including by judges) to claim that interracial marriage should not be legal in the United States not even four decades ago using reasoning similar to that described in the OP of this thread.

but it does say that men w/ men,women lying w/ women, etc is...numerous times!

Actually only once--in the OT.

the only rights gays don't have(for now)is to marry!

That's quite simply not true. However it does illustrate that gays aren't treated equally under the law without any secular, logical or constitutional justification and the discrimination exists solely because of a characteristic they have, like race.

I love how ppl try to portray the gay plight w/ the plight of what blacks went through in the 50's@ 60's

Even MLK Jr.'s wife condones the comparison in its most basic sense, which is how it's being used now. They are comparable in the sense that both groups have been denied rights due solely to bigotry (in some cases religiously motivated).

Many of those ppl that hated blacks weren't even christian

That's not true either unless you're going to pull the "not a True Christian" card.

but then again it seems like christians always get the brunt of all the evils in society

I beg to differ. Homosexuals and atheists are the last groups of people against whom discrimination and hatred are still considered at least somewhat justified to completely justified by many people in the country. Look at people like Falwell and Robertson who blamed 9/11 on "evil" people like homosexuals and non-believers in Christianity.

 

[seebs]

this is a very funny topic to me many Christians are saying theres nothing wrong with it.

Funny as in the 1950s you guys were saying that god is against it and were pulling verses from the bible saying how god was against it and such.

and now days you look at it and say "theres nothing wrong with that"

In the future i know you will look back on gay marriage and say the same thing.

Perhaps.

Reason number 2235264089386082 why i hate Christians

Because you object to correction of errors?

 

[Volos]

Don't forget not ALL christians were saying "race mixing" was wrong!No where in the bible does it say interacial marriage is an abomination- but it does say that men w/ men,women lying w/ women, etc is...numerous times!The race/ gay comparison is really getting old!For #1 blacks had close to NO rights,the only rights gays don't have(for now)is to marry!I love how ppl try to portray the gay plight w/ the plight of what blacks went through in the 50's@ 60's Many of those ppl that hated blacks weren't even christian,but then again it seems like christians always get the brunt of all the evils in society Also we are not taught to hate gays,but to love them,but at the same time not condone what God calls sin

the reference is to the use of religious arguments against interracial marriage both in the1960’s and before.



In the case of Loving vs. Virginia the lawyers for the state used this argument in support of discrimination:

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."



Looking at a good number of Christian sites that talk about interracial marriage almost all explicitly say that nothing in the bible specifically condemns interracial marriage and then they go on to say that people who historically used the bible to justify discrimination against interracial marriage were somehow wrong, leading me to believe that there exists a number of verses that could be construed to by those wishing to justify prejudice do exist though none of these sites would talk about just what verses were being used. One site called individuals who used the bible to promote prejudice against interracial marriage “spiritually corrupt” but this same site then goes on to say that it is not wrong or spiritually corrupt to use the bible to promote prejudice against homosexuals. Apparently it is wrong to hate someone because of the color of their skin but it is all right to hate for other reasons.

 

[Volos]

Currently there are approximately 1,400 civil rights and legal protections denied homosexuals and same sex couples by the government of the United States.
Here is a short list of (one hundred and fifty civil rights and legal protections) of these denied rights and protections:



The right to have our marriages legally recognized

Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities

Next of kin privileges for hospital visitation, medical decisions and death benefits (and before anyone is foolish enough to suggest that such rights can be conferred by extensive and expensive legal document please note that the possession of a power of attorney does not confer these rights if the hospital chooses not to accept that power of attorney and hospitals have the right to deny recognition as well as deny visitation to anyone but the parent (if the patient is a minor) and/or the legally married spouse of the patient they are treating.)



Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse (Because our marriages are not legally recognized the even legally assigned conservatorship can be revoked at the request of any blood relative and re-assigned to without that relative showing cause.

Bereavement leave form work

Wrongful death benefits



Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.

Pension benefits

Health insurance benefits

Social security benefits

Automatic inheritance rights. (again there art those who will claim that a will take care of this. If you believe this I suggest you actually investigate probate law where you will find this is definitely not the case.)

Joint adoption (Current law allows for only one person of a same sex couple be the adoptive parent meaning that in the event of the death of that person their spouse has no parental rights regarding their child and in the event of the untimely death of that legal adoptive parent the surviving parent has no parental rights.)

Joint custody of minor children (see above)

Family discounts at business, insurance companies and the like

Accidental death benefits for the surviving spouse

Employment discrimination (yes individuals can be denied jobs simply because of the sexual orientation and have no legal recourse)

Award of child custody in divorce proceedings

Beneficial owner status of corporate securities

Denial of legal protection guaranteed under the constitution preventing the forced testimony against a spouse.

Burial of service member’s dependants

Denial of military benefits

Consent to post mortem examinations

Continuation of rights under existing homestead leases

Control, division, acquisition and disposition of community property

Criminal injuries compensation

Death benefits for surviving spouse for government employee

The right of a legally married foreign same sex couple to declare themselves married on visas.

Disclosure of vital statistics



Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse



Exemption from estate taxes for all property you leave your spouse



Exemption from gift taxes for all property you give your spouse


Division of property after dissolution of marriage

Eligibility for housing opportunity allowance program of the Housing, Finance and Development Corporation

Exemption of claims of Department of Human Services for social services payments, financial assistance or burial payments

Exemption from conveyance tax

Making burial or other final arrangements in event of spouse death

Exemption from regulation of condominium sales to owner occupant

Access to family medical leave

Homes of disabled veterans exempt from property taxes



Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts and marital deduction trusts.


Income tax deductions , credit, rates exemption and estimates

Inheritance of land patents

Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility and benefits organization of mutual benefits society

Legal status with partner’s children

Making, revoking and objecting to anatomical gifts

Nonresident tuition deferment waiver

Notice of guardian ad litem proceedings

Notice of probate proceedings

Payment of wages to a relative of deceased employee

Payment of workers' compensation benefits after death

Permission to make arrangements for burial or cremation

Proof of business partnership

Public assistance from the Department of Human Services qualifications at a facility for the elderly

Real property exemption from attachment or execution

Right of survivorship to custodial trust

Right to be notified of parole or escape of inmate

Right to change names

Right to enter into premarital agreement

Right to file action for nonsupport

Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."



Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (yes this is a right of heterosexual couples)

Right to inherit property

Right to purchase leases and cash freehold agreements concerning the management and disposition of public land

Right to sue for tort and death by wrong full act

Right to support after divorce

Right to support from spouse

Rights and proceedings for involuntary hospitalization and treatment

Rights by way of dour or courtesy

Rights to notice, protection, benefits and inheritance under the uniform probate code

Social security benefits on the death of spouse

Sole interest in property

Spousal privilege and confidential marriage communications

Spousal immigration benefits

Tax relief for natural disaster losses

Vacation allowance on termination of public employment by death Veterans' preference to spouse in public employment

In vitro fertilization coverage

Waiver of fees for certified copies and searches of vital statistics

joint foster care

joint insurance policies for home, auto and health

protection from denial of health insurance

protection from denial of home and auto insurance

Protection for housing discrimination



Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members

benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare

wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children

crime victims' recovery benefits

Car ownership automatically transfers to a spouse, but not to a surviving partner



The right to serve openly in the armed forces


And hundreds of other protections and rights

 

[Blackguard_]

For the record I believe black guard is doing just what he stated in a previous post"playing devils advocate"I highly doubt he/she believes/feels that way!

I am actually against inter-racial marriage, I believe that God created the races for a reason and I think it wrong to destroy his creation and go against the way he intended the races to be.

And I meant someone needed to voice a dissenting opinion as I don't like it when a thread is a one-sided chorus.

 

[slayer-2004]

I am actually against inter-racial marriage, I believe that God created the races for a reason and I think it wrong to destroy his creation and go against the way he intended the races to be.

Did you ever stop to think God might have made differant races in order to allow us to see the beauty in individuality rather then have us all be intolerant bigots ?

God would not intentionally put us into a situation where he wanted us to fight each other and hold prejudices against each other , unless you believe God is a sadistic wackjob . Doesnt it make a lot more sense to assume the racial differance was placed in this universe so we may one day realize that deep down inside we are all good people just trying to live ? That he might have placed diversity in this universe so that we may someday understand how we should treat each other no matter what ?

 

[rhema glory]

the reference is to the use of religious arguments against interracial marriage both in the1960’s and before.



In the case of Loving vs. Virginia the lawyers for the state used this argument in support of discrimination:

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."



Looking at a good number of Christian sites that talk about interracial marriage almost all explicitly say that nothing in the bible specifically condemns interracial marriage and then they go on to say that people who historically used the bible to justify discrimination against interracial marriage were somehow wrong, leading me to believe that there exists a number of verses that could be construed to by those wishing to justify prejudice do exist though none of these sites would talk about just what verses were being used. One site called individuals who used the bible to promote prejudice against interracial marriage “spiritually corrupt” but this same site then goes on to say that it is not wrong or spiritually corrupt to use the bible to promote prejudice against homosexuals. Apparently it is wrong to hate someone because of the color of their skin but it is all right to hate for other reasons.

I actually saw that movie (mr and mrs loving) and I really like it,but that phrase the judge used was never in the bible!I admit there are some things in the bible that are black and white and there are some grey areas!It has already been adressed that the misinterpretation on race mixing was scripture talking about other tribes and not mixing w/ ppl who had other God's-it was a heart issue!Homosexuality is not a grey area when you study the scripture!I can spout them off but I'm sure you''ve seen them all, and I really don't have the time to make sure I'm stating the correct ones(know what chapters just a lil fuzzy on the verses)

However I know that not everyone subscribes to the bible or christianity and God gives us a choice!I don't think denying anyone certain rights will turn them to God!I am not against civil unions, but not a marriage covenant w/ it's religious blessings!How can God bless something that is cursed?Maybe I am biased bc I have experienced some things and maybe I shouldn't compare the prejudices!To me,having seperate water fountains, segregatedschools,being hosed,slaved,lynched,having to sit on the back of the bus,lack of good education,and other atrocities just don't compare to the inconveniences some gays have faced!Of course I know there has been some hate crimes against them just like any other different group,and I don't condone that!I don't even have a prob w/ ppl that don't believe in IRM as long as they are not physically or emotionally harming people!I just don't understand how the world says that christians hate gays etc!I don't hate anyone(and don't know of another christian that hates gays)either!I would not treat a hmsxl as they were diseased,I would not preach to them(unless they asked)I would have them over for dinner,what have you!Someone who hates someone,has a strong disliking for that person,and or treats them worse than animals!I think the few bi-polar christians that killed gays or hold up signs that say "God hates ****" ruined the rest of our reputations!Ok I'm tired,rambling and need to head off to bed,sorry if my post doesn't make sense!

 

[Blackguard_]

Did you ever stop to think God might have made differant races in order to allow us to see the beauty in individuality rather then have us all be intolerant bigots ?

1. explain the first part better.
2.How does recognizing that race exists and should be preserved make you an intolerant bigot?

God would not intentionally put us into a situation where he wanted us to fight each other and hold prejudices against each other , unless you believe God is a sadistic wackjob .

I never said the races had to fight and hate each other. Ideally they'd each have thier own lands or be able to live in the same areas without strife, I'm not sure which God ultimately wants.

Doesnt it make a lot more sense to assume the racial differance was placed in this universe so we may one day realize that deep down inside we are all good people just trying to live ?

How does your conclusion follow? I don't see how this is an arguement for inter-racial marriage. And again you can aknowledge race exists and should be preserved without looking down on the other races.

That he might have placed diversity in this universe so that we may someday understand how we should treat each other no matter what ?

Again, how does that follow?

 

[cabbitgrrrl]

I am actually against inter-racial marriage, I believe that God created the races for a reason and I think it wrong to destroy his creation and go against the way he intended the races to be.

And I meant someone needed to voice a dissenting opinion as I don't like it when a thread is a one-sided chorus.

if humanity started off as one race then why does it matter?

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

but not a marriage covenant w/ it's religious blessings!

Marriage is inherently secular in the eyes of the government. By this logic, non-Christians would not be allowed marriage rights. Fortunately, marriage has nothing to do with "religious blessings" but is rather a contractual agreement regardless of religion.

The government cannot force religious organizations to marry homosexual couples as per the first amendment. The government has no such jurisdiction. Likewise, religious justifications to ban gay marriage are null and void as well for the same reason.

just don't compare to the inconveniences some gays have faced!

You are still missing the point of the comparison, which was previously explained to you.

I just don't understand how the world says that christians hate gays etc!

Reading some of the posts made on this website illustrate that point quite well in addition to some self-proclaimed Christian groups. Denying rights to a group of people for no logical, secular, or constitutional reason can be justifiably excused as hatred.

 

[Blackguard_]

if humanity started off as one race then why does it matter?

Then why didn't God leave it at one race? And of course for there to have been a first human and many races eventually, humanity had to start off with one race.

If this is arguing for everone to breed into one race, you do realize that everyone will end up looking like Tiger Woods and human diversity will have been destroyed? I believe God wanted diversity in humanity rather then having one monolithic race.

 

[cabbitgrrrl]

Then why didn't God leave it at one race? And of course for there to have been a first human and many races eventually, humanity had to start off with one race.

If this is arguing for everone to breed into one race, you do realize that everyone will end up looking like Tiger Woods and human diversity will have been destroyed? I believe God wanted diversity in humanity rather then having one monolithic race.

wouldn't humanity just become diversified again eventually?

 

[Caylin]

Then why didn't God leave it at one race? And of course for there to have been a first human and many races eventually, humanity had to start off with one race.

If this is arguing for everone to breed into one race, you do realize that everyone will end up looking like Tiger Woods and human diversity will have been destroyed? I believe God wanted diversity in humanity rather then having one monolithic race.

You act like being black is a bad thing.

 

[Blackguard_]

wouldn't humanity just become diversified again eventually?

Nope. You can wave good-bye to red, blonde, and brown hair, Blue, green, and gray eyes.

Haven't you ever noticed how dominant the traits of Blacks are? Tiger Woods is half Oriental. Ever notice how the child of a black/white marriage always looks black but just a little lighter-skinned?

That is because of dominant and recessive genetic traits, the traits associated with Whites such as red hair and blue eyes, are very recessive while the traits associated with other races, espcially the Blacks are dominant.

The very, very, dominant traits of the Blacks combined with the sheer numbers of Orientals would mean everyone would look like Tiger Woods and the races would not return as the very dominat traits would preven the less dominant ones from resurfacing.

So in short the black traits would stomp the less recessive traits into the dirt and the Orientals would drown out them out.

 

[Blackguard_]

You act like being black is a bad thing.

Tiger Woods is not Black, he is half Oriental. I never even mentioned the word "black" in that post.

 

[cabbitgrrrl]

Nope. You can wave good-bye to red, blonde, and brown hair, Blue, green, and gray eyes.

Haven't you ever noticed how dominant the traits of Blacks are? Tiger Woods is half Oriental. Ever notice how the child of a black/white marriage always looks black but just a little lighter-skinned?

That is because of dominant and recessive genetic traits, the traits associated with Whites such as red hair and blue eyes, are very recessive while the traits associated with other races, espcially the Blacks are dominant.

The very, very, dominant traits of the Blacks combined with the sheer numbers of Orientals would mean everyone would look like Tiger Woods and the races would not return as the very dominat traits would preven the less dominant ones from resurfacing.

So in short the black traits would stomp the less recessive traits into the dirt and the Orientals would drown out them out.

do you have any idea how racist that sounds? do you have any proof?

 

[Blackguard_]

do you have any idea how racist that sounds?

Yes and no. I know many would think it racist, but I don't understand how.

Dominant and recessive traits do exist, and it is a fact that Black traits are very dominant and white traits very recessive and if they mixed the black traits would stomp the white ones out of existance as demonstrated by numerous mulattos. Or do you deny that? Do you deny the existance of dominant and recessive traits?

You know how the eye color brown is dominant over the recessive blue and green? Or how about the dominant black hair versus the recessive blonde and red?

 

[Radagast]

I am actually against inter-racial marriage, I believe that God created the races for a reason and I think it wrong to destroy his creation and go against the way he intended the races to be.

Any Biblical evidence for that?

-- Radagast

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Then why didn't God leave it at one race? And of course for there to have been a first human and many races eventually, humanity had to start off with one race.

If this is arguing for everone to breed into one race, you do realize that everyone will end up looking like Tiger Woods and human diversity will have been destroyed? I believe God wanted diversity in humanity rather then having one monolithic race.

Why does God do anything? For some reason He created multiple races, but it does not follow that He wishes them to remain seperate. Especially when one considers that race is continuous and not discrete.

 

[Mother Vashti]

Interracial relationships are not the issue, at its heart. The problem is cross-cultural relationships. Sometimes, the significant other has trouble adapting to one's culture, or they adapt very poorly.

this is a very funny topic to me many Christians are saying theres nothing wrong with it.

Funny as in the 1950s you guys were saying that god is against it and were pulling verses from the bible saying how god was against it and such.

and now days you look at it and say "theres nothing wrong with that"

In the future i know you will look back on gay marriage and say the same thing.


Reason number 2235264089386082 why i hate Christians

What an incredibly ignorant comment. Christians fought to abolish slavery, Christians stood up for civil rights, Christians attempted to assassinate Hitler. I'm not saying persons of other backgrounds were not involved in these events, but suffice to say you really need to get out more.