Internet Explorer Vs. Firefox

[rdale]

I have tried Opera several times, on several OSes, in the past. I stongly disliked it for many reasons. I'm set with Firefox ever since version 0.4 (Firebird back then) and I couldn't find a better browser (hmm lynx maybe lol).

Why stongly, I'm curious...

I haven't installed Opera on my OS now, since it is so great that there is not even an official Debian package...

None of these work?
http://www.opera.com/download/?platform=linux&oldbrowser=1
?'s
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Opera+Debian+package&btnG=Google+Search

Anyway, when windows people ask me about a good browser, I always tell them : Firefox OR Opera, so they have the choice. Most of the time they'll end up with Firefox by choice though...

Agreed on the first part, on the second part,

 

[SirKenin]

Greetings ,

I'm relatively new to computers and have been having trouble with Internet Explorer shutting down for an hour or more ( for no apparent reason ) about once or twice every week or two .

I've heard some good words about Firefox , and was wondering if I'd have better , less troublesome , browsing if I switched ?

Also , is it possible to have both on the same computer , with the option of using either one ?

Appreciate any replies .

wm

You can use both. You're going to have to. Firefox has a lot of problems with generated websites that have been coded for IE and any site that uses activex controls for their multimedia or interactive content. A prime example of this is internet radio, Trendmicro's housecall web based antivirus scan and Windows Update, to name a few of many.

 

[raphink]

You're going to have to. Firefox has a lot of problems with generated websites that have been coded for IE and any site that uses activex controls for their multimedia or interactive content.

The problem doesn't come from Firefox though, since there in an authority that decides what is right internet coding and what is not and this is called W3C. Firefox respects the W3C standards, IE doesn't. Thus it's the sites made for IE that are wrong, not Firefox.

When you have a book called the Bible that tells you what is right, will you not follow it only because most people don't?

 

[WalksWithChrist]

You can use both. You're going to have to. Firefox has a lot of problems with generated websites that have been coded for IE and any site that uses activex controls for their multimedia or interactive content. A prime example of this is internet radio, Trendmicro's housecall web based antivirus scan and Windows Update, to name a few of many.

About time you showed up...lol

 

[WalksWithChrist]

The problem doesn't come from Firefox though, since there in an authority that decides what is right internet coding and what is not and this is called W3C. Firefox respects the W3C standards, IE doesn't. Thus it's the sites made for IE that are wrong, not Firefox.

When you have a book called the Bible that tells you what is right, will you not follow it only because most people don't?

This really is the bottom line. STANDARDS! Get with it M$.

 

[SirKenin]

This really is the bottom line. STANDARDS! Get with it M$.

If you think about it long enough, IE IS the standard. To me W3C is almost a puppet organization

 

[WalksWithChrist]

If you think about it long enough, IE IS the standard. To me W3C is almost a puppet organization

I hear more and more buzz in my life and online that people are dropping IE. Times are a-changing! Even average Joe Users are getting wise from what I'm seeing and hearing. Now if I could just get my finacee to use Firefox...

 

[flashwizard]

Has anyone noticed that across the boards:

FIREFOX IS BETTER THAN IE? -or- FIREFOX IS SAFER THAN IE? -or- FIREFOX HAS LESS POPUPS THAN IE? -ect...-

Why is this so? Why is FireFox "safer," why is FireFox "better" than IE? Everyone has an answer, but has anyone thought of this:

FireFox is "open source." Open source means that the code/browser/capabilities are accessible to all users. This is the worst case scenario and a hackers dream. I am a software developer and engineer and I almost always provide the "other side" of the run to open source responses to complaints on "paid" software solutions. IE has approximately 75 percent of the browser market. So approximately 90 percent of all hackers will target the larger percentage because where there is more, there is more to have.

Unfortunately, IE is not "open source." Or wait, is that less fortunate?? This means that me and anyone else with the capabilities and knowlegde to crack code can't easily because it's not easily accessible, because it is NOT open source. Mozzilla for example IS open source. So what I can do, and many others, is take the program crack it and find out every loop hole ever built into it. Now while everyone feels secure, since FireFox's code is all over the web seen by all, it can be abused and abused EXTREMELY easily. Open source programs are very easy to crack because of that this is the reason why FireFox will fail in the future, without intervention and keeping code secret.

If FireFox even gets close to 50% of the browser market, there will be such a surge on it and this surge will be extremely quick because the to breach something that is known is so much easier to breach something unknown. It's like knowing the enemies defenses before you attack, you are guaranteed to win. It's like knowing a maze before you do it, of course you will be able to complete the maze fast! It will make IE look like a king in the near future, and everyone's safety emotions will turn into tears and fears. You see Microsoft protects IE code, but Mozilla doesn't protect FireFox code. Has anyone installed FireFox 1.0.2 yet? FireFox has already been breached, and it will get worse and worse the more people that switch to it. Soon it will be very overwhelming and eventually take as much heat as Microsoft IE, and then a paid team will need to be hired to being protecting FireFox code.

Then what? Switch to a new browser? Say open source FlashWizard Browser 1.0.0?? Same thing will happen...soon it will become FlashWizard 1.0.3, then maybe FlashWizard 1.0.5, then soon it will need to be funded to continue the updates on protecting from the high fluctuation of Malicious attacks.

So, there's the other side, from a Software Engineer and developer. By the way, I use both FireFox and IE, and haven't had problems with either, but one is no safer than the other in reality. And it may seem so now, but be cautions because open source is extremely vunerable.

 

[Confused and alone]

Firefox is the better one as opensource because most hackers use opensource software so they are less likely to expose problems and musch quicker to fix them.

 

[wayfaring man]

Greeting all ,

It seems the problem with IE was due to some left-over " Add ons " which were stuck in my PC during an atempt to hijack my browser , which occurred some time ago . Thought they had been completely removed already .

There were found while hunting around looking for possible causes of the problem of having IE shut down and become inoperable for hours at a time , for no apparent reason .

Using Windows Xp - Found them by clicking , Control Panel , Internet Options , Programs Tab , Manage Add Ons Button & Looking over list and unchecking dubious items .

Also , have started using Firefox ... no troubles so far , with either IE or Firefox .

May The Lord Be Pleased To Bless .

From raphink --When you have a book called the Bible that tells you what is right, will you not follow it only because most people don't?

I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart. <-----> Psalm 119:32

Hear me when I call, O God of my righteousness: thou hast enlarged me when I was in distress; have mercy upon me, and hear my prayer. <-----> Psalm 4:1

And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. <-----> 2nd Corinthians 12:9+10

But [those] which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also . <-----> Acts 17:5+6

Sincerely ,

wm

 

[SirKenin]

Firefox is the better one as opensource because most hackers use opensource software so they are less likely to expose problems and musch quicker to fix them.

That doesn't make any sense at all. True hackers, not these wannabe script kiddies, use open source programs to exploit anything and everything and they don't tell ANYBODY how to follow in their footsteps until after the hole has been fixed. Then they publish a document bragging how they did it on a website such as the one I frequent on a semi-regular basis.

Firefox is already getting hacked somewhat regularly, and they don't own anywhere close to the market share IE has. As they increase in popularity Firefox is going to get trashed.

 

[flashwizard]

FireFox also runs on the Windows Platform on a PC. Microsoft's .NET architecture is directly incorporated into the platform and is capable of building many agents that can breach other programs running the same architecture, all you have to do is decompile the exe's and dll files and boom, all laid out in front of you. Then you just have to be educated in how to go about looking for loopholes. Which, if you program it everyday won't take that long to do, especially if there's a group of educated developers working on it.

 

[Confused and alone]

the reason IE has the market share becuase most users are too stupid to realize how much more open to spyware IE is and why would the true hackers hack something that is the flag of their area?

I can atest to the spyware numbers because before firefox my numbers would reach into the hundreds now they maybe break fifty. When i say hundreds i'm talking about 7-9 hundred in about a two week peroid.

 

[flashwizard]

the reason IE has the market share becuase most users are too stupid to realize how much more open to spyware IE is and why would the true hackers hack something that is the flag of their area?

I can atest to the spyware numbers because before firefox my numbers would reach into the hundreds now they maybe break fifty. When i say hundreds i'm talking about 7-9 hundred in about a two week peroid.

IE is more open to spyware because it is on the majority of computers. I don't know why you get so much spyware, I don't get any and I have both IE and FireFox. FireFox is more susceptible to attacks because it's open source. So, it's only a matter of time before FireFox goes into the pile of unsafe browsers.

A hacker is someone that exploits programs and hardware for gain. Any .NET architect is capable of hacking, especially an open source entity on the PC platform.

 

[GW_in_04]

You dont know what you are talking about....being open source has nothing to do with being vulnerable to attacks....yes most hackers go after the larger market which is I.E. and WinBlows, but overall the structure of file writing and OS development by Apple, Linux, and browsers like Firefox are the reason Microsoft loses more and more ground ever year. People are finally waking up to the fact MS has HUGE security issues and their answers for fixing it is to just shut everything off and every port off. Well folks thats not the answer. Run Ad Aware, then run nothing but Firefox for a week. Run Ad Aware again, you will see hardly any spyware or malware on your pc. Now do the same process but run Internet Exploder for a week. You will find tons of adware, spyware, malware, etc on it. This is not a fair question as I stated before. Its like I get to choose from a Kia or this brand new BMW X5 for free. Which one should I choose?

 

[SirKenin]

HUGE security issues? Pass the bowl, would you please? Since the advent of SP2 and M AS B, there have been no security issues. But who has ended up in the news for new vulnerabilities and exploits? Why Firefox of course.

When you have easy access to the code, you have easy access to it's vulnerabilities. Do you know why hackers don't bother with home users using Linux as opposed to servers? Because they don't have a share in that market worth talking about. He knows exactly what he is talking about.

 

[superfly]

oh, yes, you're talking about the non-standard ie-only css extensions...

 

[superfly]

hold on... i've seen you talk this garbage before.. and now i'm not going to ignore it...

FireFox is more susceptible to attacks because it's open source.

huh??? where is your evidence? did you know that although iis (the CLOSED SOURCE web server) runs less than 20% of internet sites world wide, in 2001 it was successfully hacked 1400 times more than apache (yes, the OPEN SOURCE web server) which runs almost 69% of sites. according to your statement, this FACT is not true.

let me encourage everyone who thinks that their operating system is the best to go and read the paper on this site: http://www.dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html. get the REAL facts, not propaganda. facts that have real sources, not sponsored studies or anything else funny..

 

[SirKenin]

hold on... i've seen you talk this garbage before.. and now i'm not going to ignore it...


huh??? where is your evidence? did you know that although iis (the CLOSED SOURCE web server) runs less than 20% of internet sites world wide, in 2001 it was successfully hacked 1400 times more than apache (yes, the OPEN SOURCE web server) which runs almost 69% of sites. according to your statement, this FACT is not true.

let me encourage everyone who thinks that their operating system is the best to go and read the paper on this site: http://www.dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html. get the REAL facts, not propaganda. facts that have real sources, not sponsored studies or anything else funny..

Cute, but how about you stay on topic and compare apples to apples. Last I looked we were talking about web browsers, not servers.

 

[superfly]

Since the advent of SP2 and M AS B, there have been no security issues

really? according to http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/10/ie_sp2_exploit/ and http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/30/ms_phel_vuln/ and http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/18/ie_security_bugs_again/ your statement is wrong. you're obviously not looking in the right places for your sources.