Interfaith

[juvenissun]

Jesus didn't keep the Sabbath as the law orders, so he wasn't true to it, because he was true to higher principles that override such details.

I can't see anyone suggesting it's a matter of "having to" participate. Some people are suggesting it's productive to do that.

To Jews, what Jesus did is wrong. That is why He is crucified.

It is not productive but harmful. Other people won't care about you (traitor). And the participation is detrimental to your own faith. Of course, it won't matter if you do not have a correct one to begin with.

 

[dlamberth]

Expand the love, OK. Expand the doctrine, NO.

I've found that God isn't a doctrine. And so when I look pass the doctrine, there God is, even in other spiritual traditions. That's what I mean by expanding one's religious faith.

 

[dlamberth]

You should read the OT carefully. You made the same mistake as they did.

I don't know how living in the presence of God is a mistake. But if you say so...OK.

 

[Robban]

Jocob is testing his God. For a youngster, it is normal.

Jacob was hardly a youngster at the time.

Esau and Jacob were 63yrs old when Jacob was blessed by his father.

 

[Jack of Spades]

It is not productive but harmful.

Well some people think it is productive. I have practiced spiritual things with people who don't share all of my beliefs and for me those practices have generally speaking been a productive experience. I wouldn't practice with everyone though, I go by gut feeling.

Other people won't care about you (traitor).

The whole concept of being a traitor assumes that all faith must be exclusive of others. If my faith is inclusive in nature, it's perfectly consistent to practice with others. There is hardly anything traitorous in following your own confessed principles.

If you do it reluctantly, against your own faith, then yeah, that is a compromise. The ideal way is to first to learn to see something in the other faith you can share, and then share just that, no more no less. That could be just having a conversation, or sharing a prayer, depending how much you have in common. There is no need to try to share everything.

 

[danny ski]

To Jews, what Jesus did is wrong. That is why He is crucified.

It is not productive but harmful. Other people won't care about you (traitor). And the participation is detrimental to your own faith. Of course, it won't matter if you do not have a correct one to begin with.

Except that we did not crucify him, as crucifixion was not one of the methods for capital punishment among Israel. So, whatever he did, it did not merit death sentence under our laws. He was executed by the Romans, by a Roman method, for offending Rome, under Roman law.

 

[juvenissun]

I've found that God isn't a doctrine. And so when I look pass the doctrine, there God is, even in other spiritual traditions. That's what I mean by expanding one's religious faith.

A doctrine describes and explains the god.
A god without a doctrine is an unknown god.

 

[juvenissun]

Except that we did not crucify him, as crucifixion was not one of the methods for capital punishment among Israel. So, whatever he did, it did not merit death sentence under our laws. He was executed by the Romans, by a Roman method, for offending Rome, under Roman law.

Jews push Romans to kill Him.
Jews wanted to stone Him to death.
You do not have to deny. As a Jew, you SHOULD do that. Otherwise, you are not a Jew.

 

[juvenissun]

Well some people think it is productive. I have practiced spiritual things with people who don't share all of my beliefs and for me those practices have generally speaking been a productive experience. I wouldn't practice with everyone though, I go by gut feeling.

The whole concept of being a traitor assumes that all faith must be exclusive of others. If my faith is inclusive in nature, it's perfectly consistent to practice with others. There is hardly anything traitorous in following your own confessed principles.

If you do it reluctantly, against your own faith, then yeah, that is a compromise. The ideal way is to first to learn to see something in the other faith you can share, and then share just that, no more no less. That could be just having a conversation, or sharing a prayer, depending how much you have in common. There is no need to try to share everything.

That is what I am saying. If your original faith is not exclusive, then you may do whatever you like to do.
A true religious faith has to be exclusive. It is demanded by logic.

 

[Jack of Spades]

A true religious faith has to be exclusive. It is demanded by logic.

What kind of logic?

 

[juvenissun]

Jacob was hardly a youngster at the time.

Esau and Jacob were 63yrs old when Jacob was blessed by his father.

A young person in his faith. It has nothing to do with biological age.

 

[juvenissun]

What kind of logic?

Logic of religious faith.

 

[juvenissun]

I don't know how living in the presence of God is a mistake. But if you say so...OK.

If you don't think an unfaithful woman is wrong, then you may have your own way.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

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[Jack of Spades]

Logic of religious faith.

Are there some actual logical arguments for this that we can debate here?

 

[Robban]

A young person in his faith. It has nothing to do with biological age.

What is there to say?

 

[juvenissun]

Are there some actual logical arguments for this that we can debate here?

It MUST start with a definition, which is very debatable.

 

[juvenissun]

What is there to say?

"God, if you do (this), then I will believe in you".

 

[Jack of Spades]

It MUST start with a definition, which is very debatable.

Are you willing to present your case for how true religion must be exclusive or not?

If you don't put the logic on the table I'm going to have to assume that there isn't one.

 

[Robban]

"God, if you do (this), then I will believe in you".

........and the Lord will be my God

(That His name will rest upon me from beginning to end)