Interesting view on Abortion - Please Participate (FOR EVERY MEMBERS OF THE FORUM)

[geocajun]

But doesn't God know us before we are even formed in our mothers wombs. We are ALL God's creation and as Christians and followers of Christ we have no right under any circumstances to take the life of another even a baby that is yet to be born.

you are absolutely right!

 

[Prince Lucianus]

wrong, pro-abortion means someone who is in favor of abortion - such as yourself.
If you were pro-choice, then I am sure you can demostrate for us how much time and effort you spend fighting against abortion, to balance the time and effort you spend promoting abortion right? Fact is.. the only choice you fight for is abortion.

It's simple.
Those whome you call pro-abortionists are in favour of the choice to have an abortion. They don't want one option to be exclusive. So, they're pro choice.
Those in favour of abortions as an option are pro-choice believers.
They're not in favour of anything. They do not think that anybody should simply abort a foetus because pro-abortion is all the rage these days.

So, hope that's clarified.

And Susanna is right that Christians have no right to use abortions, because god prohibits it.

Lucy

 

[geocajun]

My question still stands PL - show me where some pro-'choice' person (you can even use yourself) has fought against abortion, just as hard as they fight for abortion.
If you show me that, then I can understand how you could say 'choice', however the ideology of pro-choice is manifested exclusivly in the form of love and support of abortion.
That is why pro-choice is really pro-abortion.

 

[Archivist]

wrong, pro-abortion means someone who is in favor of abortion - such as yourself.
If you were pro-choice, then I am sure you can demostrate for us how much time and effort you spend fighting against abortion, to balance the time and effort you spend promoting abortion right? Fact is.. the only choice you fight for is abortion.

I don't promote abortion nor am I in favor of abortion, as you have said. I simply believe that women should have a choice.

And yes, I do contribute to Birthright, an organization that allows women to ask questions and to explore options without pressure and without passing judgment. Birthright does not use "scare tactics" or pressure, show abortion slides or pictures, picket or harass abortion clinics, evangelize or lobby for legislative changes or engage in the public debate on abortion.

Isn't it nice when you can make a personal judgment about someone you don't even know. Get you facts straight before you make such statements.

 

[geocajun]

I don't promote abortion nor am I in favor of abortion, as you have said. I simply believe that women should have a choice.

And yes, I do contribute to Birthright, an organization that allows women to ask questions and to explore options without pressure and without passing judgment. Birthright does not use "scare tactics" or pressure, show abortion slides or pictures, picket or harass abortion clinics, evangelize or lobby for legislative changes or engage in the public debate on abortion.

Isn't it nice when you can make a personal judgment about someone you don't even know. Get you facts straight before you make such statements.

You have consistently fought in this thread for the cause of abortion, yet I have not seen a single post of yours chamption the cause AGAINST abortion.
Please feel free to point one out if I am wrong.

and you can quit with the demogaguery of "I'm judging you" ...

 

[Archivist]

You have consistently fought in this thread for the cause of abortion, yet I have not seen a single post of yours chamption the cause AGAINST abortion.
Please feel free to point one out if I am wrong.

and you can quit with the demogaguery of "I'm judging you" ...

Please show me a single post where I have promoted anything other than choice.

If anyone is practicing demogaguery it is you. YOU are the one who said that "the only choice you fight for is abortion." If that isn't a judgment call, I don't know what is.

 

[Prince Lucianus]

My question still stands PL - show me where some pro-'choice' person (you can even use yourself) has fought against abortion, just as hard as they fight for abortion.
If you show me that, then I can understand how you could say 'choice', however the ideology of pro-choice is manifested exclusivly in the form of love and support of abortion.
That is why pro-choice is really pro-abortion.

It's not the fact that you have to fight abortion and defend it. What lunacy is that. You can't fight and defend the death penalty at the same time.

If you're a person who is in favour of coice, then you're in favour of the possibility of both options. I'm not fighting against the total right to live either, am I?? Or do you claim that those who are pro-abortion are actually hoping there will be no more babies?

Lucy

 

[AdJesumPerMariam]

Howdy fellow citizens! Whether you are for or against Abortion, I would like to ask everyone for your honest and sound inputs on the following idea.

Abortion is/has been one of the top world-wide issue. I would like to take a moment to briefly analyze the definition of "life," and perhaps see it from a different angle. Also, I humbly ask to be excused from my flaws or any of my assumptions as I am still a student in philosophy. I also ask that you read this as a piece of treat without a critical mind analyzing my mistakes as I am only trying to better understand this subject. Thankyou.

Firstly, I have heard and am aware of the mother's right to choose. There are many exceptional cases in abortion. Some women conceive a child through rape, incest, or simply by a mistake. and for both the sake of mother and the "thing" inside the womb, it is understood that the following action of "abortion" is tolerated.

Do we, as human beings, recognize the "thing" inside the womb as life?
When does a human being become recognized as person? and during what process of pregnancy do we define this blob of blood as life?

Because the way I see it, the issue isn't the mother's right to choose. I think the real issue is the definition of life. Because if the fetus inside the womb is by definition life, then it rightfully assumes the basic human rights which includes the right to live. The mother no longer has jurisdiction over the life of the baby if infact whats inside is life.

So does the "mother's right to choose" over-rule the fetus' human rights?(assuming the fetus is a life)
Which is greater?

Consider this, though it may sound awfully silly. Does a mother have a choice to "abort" a 5 year old boy? If the fetus is infact life, does it not have the same right as would a 5 year old boy? If so, then the difference between the 5 year old boy and the fetus would be the location. One being inside the womb and one out in the field.

Is it not agreeable that the real issue of abortion is definition of life rather than mother's right to choose? Thanks for bearing with me and I hope for many interesting inputs.

No, mom's have no right to "abort" a 5 yr old in our society....but you see by the news a few have. How long do you think it will take to become acceptable to do something like that? Respect for human life seems to be dwindling............

 

[pthalomarie]

No, mom's have no right to "abort" a 5 yr old in our society....but you see by the news a few have. How long do you think it will take to become acceptable to do something like that? Respect for human life seems to be dwindling............

Actually, you bring up an intriguing paradox. Children's rights have actually expanded dramatically since Roe V Wade. Kids have more say in their lives (perhaps even too much) than ever.

 

[AdJesumPerMariam]

But we are still killing babies, where is their say? Yep, now girls can get an abortion without parents consent! (Remember ANY surgical proceedure carries with it the risk of death)

 

[geocajun]

If you're a person who is in favour of coice, then you're in favour of the possibility of both options.

that is exactly my point, so show me where you are promoting life.

 

[geocajun]

Please show me a single post where I have promoted anything other than choice.

If anyone is practicing demogaguery it is you. YOU are the one who said that "the only choice you fight for is abortion." If that isn't a judgment call, I don't know what is.

do you have any idea what demagoguery is? my statement was hardly an appeal to a popular prejudice. Your statement about me "judging you" certaintly was...

all I am asking you to do, is show me a single post where you fight for life in favor of abortion. It should be easy since you are so far and balanced.

 

[Prince Lucianus]

that is exactly my point, so show me where you are promoting life.

I hope no one ever needs to have an abortion.
Life is great.
If you want offspring, go for it, enjoy the making process.

Here you go.

Lucy

 

[Prince Lucianus]

But we are still killing babies, where is their say? Yep, now girls can get an abortion without parents consent! (Remember ANY surgical proceedure carries with it the risk of death)

We're killing thousends of animal species.
Where's their say.
They are more conscious than foetusses are?
Are you defending their rights as well??

Lucy

 

[All4one]

Here was have way to much research on the actual process and not enough on motivation. I don't consider it so much a physical issue as I do a mental one. A person is replacing a life that could be the next Albert Einstein or President Bush for something they consider more important then life itself. What if that child aborted had been Johann Guttenburg or Marie Curry? By abortion we are not advancing life and the thought of living in it we are actually killing breakthroughs and advances. Regardless of weather the child is breathing or what not it still has potential. Remember the law "An object in motion remains in motion unless acted upon by an outside force"? There is potential but it acted on by an outside force.

In Christ Love,
All4one

 

[geocajun]

We're killing thousends of animal species.
Where's their say.
They are more conscious than foetusses are?
Are you defending their rights as well??

Lucy

you can champion the cause for ending animal killing if you like - we'll stick to fighting for people

 

[jacks470]

This is a very confusing issue usually for me. When i was first presewnted with the idea of abortion, i would say "mothers shoudl not be killing their babies for any reason. There IS nto excuse." Now, i am not so sure. Incest. The mother i think shoud have a choice. Rape. It may be a very painful thing for a mother i think to look at their child and relive that experience all the time. Maybe the mother thinks "God willed this. He must have a plan for this child." Maybe it depends on the mental stability and confidence of the mother. I do not think mothers shoudl get an abortion if they find out their baby will have down syndrome, or some other mental and/or physical handicapp. so what? you should love your baby no matter what. They may not be a brain surgeon, 4.0 student who goes to Harvard when they grow up, but they are very special just the same. Partial birth abortions are very cruel and shoudl nto be done under any circumstances.
I could probably go on for a while, but i dont think that i should, lol. When i get on this issue, i will usually veer into assisted suicide, stem cell research, and all of that stuff. Tecnology just seems to be moving to fast, and we keep revising our society's morals and ethics. Maybe we shoudl not be trying to play god. But then why did god give us the resources, intelligence, and ability to do this?

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Here was have way to much research on the actual process and not enough on motivation. I don't consider it so much a physical issue as I do a mental one. A person is replacing a life that could be the next Albert Einstein or President Bush for something they consider more important then life itself. What if that child aborted had been Johann Guttenburg or Marie Curry? By abortion we are not advancing life and the thought of living in it we are actually killing breakthroughs and advances. Regardless of weather the child is breathing or what not it still has potential. Remember the law "An object in motion remains in motion unless acted upon by an outside force"? There is potential but it acted on by an outside force.

In Christ Love,
All4one

I love it! Thats very true, and it's also another reason apart from the fact that shedding the blood of the inesent is a sin. Write on!

 

[Prince Lucianus]

you can champion the cause for ending animal killing if you like - we'll stick to fighting for people

Good you stick with people (In my opinion, foetusses aren't people, but that's another story with lengthy debates).
I'll go sticking up for both.

Lucy

 

[Murmur]

It is my right to choose, whether the government says so or not.