Interesting view on Abortion - Please Participate (FOR EVERY MEMBERS OF THE FORUM)

[pthalomarie]

I am going to put my two cents in here. Paul says that a Christian should not leave a non-Christian unless the partner has been unfaithful. He also says that if the non-Christian asks for the divorce then the Christian is able to accept... otherwise if a Christian is married to a non-Christian they are to act and live in such a way that they are a witness.

I don't understand how this has anything to do with the question. What does this have to do with infanticide caused by spousal abuse?

I consider this abortion all the same.

If abortion should be treated as murder, then obviously, there should be degrees of it, i.e. 1st degree, 2nd degree, 3rd degree, manslaughter. There's no logic in the idea that an addiction that might, on rare occasions, cause a miscarriage is the same as seeking an abortion.

Just keep in mind.. it is either right or wrong. There in no "role playing" morality.

The scenarios that were given happen in real life, and they happen frequently.

 

[Archivist]

Jhn 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power [at all] against me, except it were given thee from above:



No, women should not have the right to murder anymore then anyone else should.

Are you proposing that the US become a theocracy?

And no, abortion is not murder. We can argue as to whether it is killing, but so long as it is legal it is not murder.

 

[idunno]

Are you proposing that the US become a theocracy?

We as the creation of God should neither be a theocracy, or monarcy, or democracy, capitolism, or any other form of government, We are to be ruled by God. He writes the law in our hearts. If we follow his will there is no need to have a government. I am not saying that the human race is even capable of that, but as far as whether or not the U.S.A. should become a theocracy, It shouldn't, it should get rid of government and follow God.

And no, abortion is not murder. We can argue as to whether it is killing, but so long as it is legal it is not murder.

Thou shalt not murder. This definition of murder is from over 3000 years ago, to take the life of someone is illigal. If the currant govenment doesn't reconize that it is thier oun perogitive. It does not change however that to kill an inoccent life is murder.

 

[All4one]

pthalomarie- I do not know what your deal is but you always criticize my comments. You seem to take pro-life statements offensive.. is there a reason for this. Have you ever had an abortion? Maybe you are trying to justify something you have done or condoned? All I know is I was referring to someone elses question not to be criticized by you.

In Christs Love,
All4one

 

[All4one]

There's no logic in the idea that an addiction that might, on rare occasions, cause a miscarriage is the same as seeking an abortion.

Please, lets be realistic. If you do drugs you know very well that there is a good chance that the baby will have problems or will be killed. Either way you are not caring for the baby or yourself.

1st degree, 2nd degree, 3rd degree, manslaughter.

Great idea! Thing is we must first make it illegal! We cannot name it by these terms now because it is legal.

The scenarios that were given happen in real life, and they happen frequently.

What I am saying here is that it is not right only under circumstances A and B but wrong under C.

I am going to put my two cents in here. Paul says that a Christian should not leave a non-Christian unless the partner has been unfaithful. He also says that if the non-Christian asks for the divorce then the Christian is able to accept... otherwise if a Christian is married to a non-Christian they are to act and live in such a way that they are a witness.

I don't understand how this has anything to do with the question. What does this have to do with infanticide caused by spousal abuse?

What I am saying here is that it would not be the womens fault for not leaving the man because of Gods permission of divorce. It would be the males fault for the death of the child if he kicked or hit the women and hurt the fetus... she, under Gods laws, stays with the man as the vows say.

In Christs Love,
All4one

 

[All4one]

Thou shalt not murder. This definition of murder is from over 3000 years ago, to take the life of someone is illigal. If the currant govenment doesn't reconize that it is thier oun perogitive. It does not change however that to kill an inoccent life is murder.

ABSOLUTELY AGREE! Great comment. There is really no law against pre-marital sex or adultry either but that does not make it okay. The collapse of morality today comes from this reason. People look more to mans laws and A-Ok's then God's.

In Christs Love,
All4one

 

[brinley45cal]

EXODUS 21:22-25
If men strive,and hurt a women with child,so that her fruit depart from her,and yet no mischief follow:he shall be surley punished,according as the womans husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
And if any mischief follow,then thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye,tooth for tooth,hand for hand,foot for foot,burning for burning, wound for wound,stripe for stripe.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to Him,
haughty eyes
a lying tongue,
HANDS THAT SHED INNOCENT BLOOD.
a heart that divises wicked schemes,
FEET THAT ARE QUICK TO RUSH INTO EVIL.
a false witness that pours out lies,
and a man that stirs up dissention among brothers.

I understand that those debating this issue, that are not christians will not regard this. But I speak to the christians who support pro-choice. When an egg is fertilized by sperm, the cells rapidly multiply, I don't know exacly when, but I am sure the "fetus" (baby) has blood in its body at a very early stage of gestation, Thus abortion is shedding of innocent blood. Now I am sure if I leave it at that, I will get the argument, That the blood in the "fetus" (baby) is the mothers. This is not true they have thier own type of blood while they are in gestation, I am r-h negitive and I had to have shots as soon as possable after being pregnant because my blood would destroy my daughters since the thier blood could be a diffrent type than mine. To take the life of an innocent child is detestable. God will fogive anyone who has done it, but they have to realize it's a sin under any circumstance. He says repent and turn to the Lord, not think the sins you commit are right and turn to the Lord.

 

[Outspoken]

Are you proposing that the US become a theocracy?

And no, abortion is not murder. We can argue as to whether it is killing, but so long as it is legal it is not murder.

Yup, I'd love that to happen, but it shouldn't and won't on earth because it will be a human in charge and thus not a true theocracy. You must have God himself on the throne for it to work as a true theocracy and it iwll happen eventually.

Yes, abortion is murder. Its the willful taking of another person's life.

 

[All4one]

but I am sure the "fetus" (baby) has blood in its body at a very early stage of gestation, Thus abortion is shedding of innocent blood.

Something I learned recently was that sperm is an "offbrand" persay of blood. From conception the child has blood, it is made of blood... not to mention that the bible says the life of the flesh is in the blood, this can be viewed from many directions but no flesh survives without blood. In all actuality sex is a blood covenant between a male and female. There is a long explanation biblically as to how this is and I will explain upon request. This is also why homosexual doings are wrong.. that covenant cannot exist aside from a male and female. So really you not only make a blood covenant between your wife and yourself but also to the child.


Great comments above,
In Christs Love,
All4one

 

[pthalomarie]

What I am saying here is that it would not be the womens fault for not leaving the man because of Gods permission of divorce. It would be the males fault for the death of the child if he kicked or hit the women and hurt the fetus... she, under Gods laws, stays with the man as the vows say.

So the husband should be charged with the crime, but the wife is obligated to stay with him?

I do not know what your deal is but you always criticize my comments. You seem to take pro-life statements offensive.. is there a reason for this.

Of the pro-lifers here, you tend to make the most interesting comments. That's all. Take it as a compliment, not as a rivalry.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

I can feel the love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cool.

 

[Archivist]

Yes, abortion is murder. Its the willful taking of another person's life.

Murder is the illegal taking of a human life, not the willful taking. Since Roe v. Wade it is not illegal and is, therefore, not murder. As I said in my original post, you may believe that it is a killing. However, murder is a legal term and abortion is not murder.

 

[beachduck7]

I will admit, I only skimmed over some of the posts, as opposed tor eading th whole thing before I commented (I read slow) but did anyone mention adoption? If a lady is raped or whatnot, she would not need to "see the child every day" He would be with a family who would love him... Here are my stances on abortion... It should not be allowed. Rapes, incest, non health related reasons: there is adoption. Peopel who just want a way out: take responsibility for your actions. TO the health related people: the baby should never be outrightly murdered, that is my definition of adoption, premeditated killing of a fetus. If there are complications, the doctor or woman or whoever should try to save both the woman and the child, but place emphasis on the woman, not the child... does that make sense? if the baby dies anyways, fine, but you should not purposely take the life of a child. Have fun, bu-bye, God Bless, and don't forget to smile

 

[AdJesumPerMariam]

Murder is the illegal taking of a human life, not the willful taking. Since Roe v. Wade it is not illegal and is, therefore, not murder. As I said in my original post, you may believe that it is a killing. However, murder is a legal term and abortion is not murder.

murder is a legal term? I think It is written, Thou Shall not Kill. This includes all human life.

 

[AdJesumPerMariam]

I will admit, I only skimmed over some of the posts, as opposed tor eading th whole thing before I commented (I read slow) but did anyone mention adoption? If a lady is raped or whatnot, she would not need to "see the child every day" He would be with a family who would love him... Here are my stances on abortion... It should not be allowed. Rapes, incest, non health related reasons: there is adoption. Peopel who just want a way out: take responsibility for your actions. TO the health related people: the baby should never be outrightly murdered, that is my definition of adoption, premeditated killing of a fetus. If there are complications, the doctor or woman or whoever should try to save both the woman and the child, but place emphasis on the woman, not the child... does that make sense? if the baby dies anyways, fine, but you should not purposely take the life of a child. Have fun, bu-bye, God Bless, and don't forget to smile

Adoption is the answer. There are Many people who will take babies! Give these children a chance

 

[Outspoken]

Murder is the illegal taking of a human life, not the willful taking. Since Roe v. Wade it is not illegal and is, therefore, not murder. As I said in my original post, you may believe that it is a killing. However, murder is a legal term and abortion is not murder.

Umm...yes, it is murder. Just because you can get away with it under the law doesn't make it any less evil. Some people get away with murdering people under the law, does tha tmake it okay?

Abortion is murder just like inficide is.

 

[Monica02]

Murder is a legal term. So is manslaughter. Both terms refer to a killing. However, laws permitting abortion are not just laws. Abortion is the direct killing of an unborn human.

 

[crashedman]

Firstly, I have heard and am aware of the mother's right to choose. There are many exceptional cases in abortion. Some women conceive a child through rape, incest, or simply by a mistake. and for both the sake of mother and the "thing" inside the womb, it is understood that the following action of "abortion" is tolerated.
Do we, as human beings, recognize the "thing" inside the womb as life?
When does a human being become recognized as person? and during what process of pregnancy do we define this blob of blood as life?

Technically speaking, by the end of the first trimester we define it as life.

the way I see it, the issue isn't the mother's right to choose. I think the real issue is the definition of life. Because if the fetus inside the womb is by definition life, then it rightfully assumes the basic human rights which includes the right to live. The mother no longer has jurisdiction over the life of the baby if infact whats inside is life.

So does the "mother's right to choose" over-rule the fetus' human rights?(assuming the fetus is a life)
Which is greater?

Consider this, though it may sound awfully silly. Does a mother have a choice to "abort" a 5 year old boy? If the fetus is infact life, does it not have the same right as would a 5 year old boy? If so, then the difference between the 5 year old boy and the fetus would be the location. One being inside the womb and one out in the field.

Well, it does sound rather silly. You cannot abort what is already an independant life. That is what we would describe as murder.


Crashedman

 

[AdJesumPerMariam]

Technically speaking, by the end of the first trimester we define it as life.

Who is 'we'?