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Intelligent Design's research impact on science

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The millions who do understand it would disagree with you. I'm not speaking of the hundreds of millions who believe the theory. They are not relevant to this dicussion. I'm talking about those who have made a proper study of theory in enough depth and breadth to be thoroughly convinced by it. Millions. Many millions, yet you - who have given it no more than a cursory glance - are able to see that these millions, who have studied the theory in depth, many of them (hundreds of thousands at least) who have contributed to the refinement of the theory, these millions are wrong and you are right. I don't need to be sceptical to see how silly that is.

Dealt with above. It's not relevant. The lax rules for belief in creation is one of the things that makes atheists.

You have failed to provide any details whatsoever to justify this position. You have offered it repeatedly as a bland assertion. In contrast several members have provided information and argument to justify the view that comparative anatomy supports evolution. Demonstrate you are capable of change: provide evidence justifying your position, not just a repeat of your infantile Argument from Obviousness.

Obviousness is an opinion. Obviousness is subjective. Obviousness is not quantifiable. Obviousness is not scientific.

Because you have failed to employ one ounce of knowledge, one ounce of science, one ounce of testing, one ounce of validation, one ounce of measurement. You are doing nothing more than a guy in a bar, with too much to drink, arguing about the best ever heavyweight champion based on what he thinks he's seen, thinks he knows. And you keep repeating it. That's trolling.

Evolution has appropriated anatomy study and dragged it into their camp. I'm dragging it back into the public library. With exception of a few carefully placed words here and there that claim evolution anatomy studies are simply descriptions of how organisms and organs work; they are largely evolution/creation neutral. You have no exclusive right to call them your own or use them to support your views.
 
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Let's see: It's so obvious that life on Earth is the result of natural processes with no intelligent or supernatural intervention whatsoever.

Feel convinced yet?

I never said that you weren't convinced.
 
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I never said that you weren't convinced.

Let's try this again:

If I said to you, "It's so obvious that life on Earth is the result of natural processes with no intelligent or supernatural intervention whatsoever."

Do you think this is a convincing argument?
 
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Let's try this again:

If I said to you, "It's so obvious that life on Earth is the result of natural processes with no intelligent or supernatural intervention whatsoever."

Do you think this is a convincing argument?

Of course not, because it isn't obvious.
 
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Evolution has appropriated anatomy study and dragged it into their camp. I'm dragging it back into the public library. With exception of a few carefully placed words here and there that claim evolution anatomy studies are simply descriptions of how organisms and organs work; they are largely evolution/creation neutral. You have no exclusive right to call them your own or use them to support your views.
Any and all evidence may be used to support any argument. The quality of the evidence and its aptness for the argument determine whether or not that support is sound, or ill-conceived.

On that basis anatomy directly and clearly supports evolution from a common ancestor. As support for creation, anatomy is at best neutral and your attempt to upgrade its support with your ridiculous Argument form Obviousness does you as much credit as passing wind in the presence of the Queen.
 
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Since we all agree that Argument from Obviousness is unconvincing, shall we agree not to use it in future?

Only if you stop using evolution. :D
 
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An atheist has to believe in evolution; club rules. Believers have no such requirement.
Wrong again. As an atheist, I’m free to accept what’s reasonable. I have no personal investment in ToE. It’s simply the best explanation. I consider ToE like you might consider gravity - our current understanding works to explain both.
 
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That's not trolling.
It is in my opinion.
I'm holding out for more research.
Weird how your original stance on that was very different. I guess you are also holding out for more research on whether 'Intelligent Design' has merit, too...
 
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An atheist has to believe in evolution; club rules. Believers have no such requirement.
A mere Believer like you does in fact have such a requirement - I suppose we can add "disingenuous" to your list of character traits.
 
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It is in my opinion.

Which you are entitled to.

Weird how your original stance on that was very different. I guess you are also holding out for more research on whether 'Intelligent Design' has merit, too

Imo the jury found in favor of ID.
 
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A mere Believer like you does in fact have such a requirement - I suppose we can add "disingenuous" to your list of character traits.

Belief defines a believer, it's true.
 
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