Intelligent design, how it might work

[Nando Ronteltap]

The obvious way to find out how intelligent design works, is to look at how human intelligent design works. Basically intelligent design works with a mind. The mind is like a universe in it's own right. You can model things from the universe proper in it, and you can create new things in it yourself.

Maybe the DNA system works as a mind. Not just the DNA molecule, but the whole system with the associate amino acids, triplet codons etc. So it means the DNA system can make representations of things in the outside universe, and new things can be created in this DNA mind. That explains a lot.

- The functional integrated complexity of organisms (their design)
- How development to adulthood occurs. The development is guided by a representation of the adult form in the DNA mind.
- How sense information processing occurs of even single cell organisms, responsiveness.
- How human intelligence originates, and how we can get instinctual biological ideas in our minds from DNA.

I saw some research which said that the basic mathematical ordering of the DNA system, is the same as the basic mathematical ordering of the universe. That makes a lot of sense to me that the DNA system would be like a repeating fractal of the basic ordering of the universe. It makes it credible that the DNA system operates as a mind, because I see a mind as being a sort of symbol universe in it's own right.

 

[Speedwell]

The obvious way to find out how intelligent design works, is to look at how human intelligent design works. Basically intelligent design works with a mind. The mind is like a universe in it's own right. You can model things from the universe proper in it, and you can create new things in it yourself.

Maybe the DNA system works as a mind. Not just the DNA molecule, but the whole system with the associate amino acids, triplet codons etc. So it means the DNA system can make representations of things in the outside universe, and new things can be created in this DNA mind. That explains a lot.

- The functional integrated complexity of organisms (their design)
- How development to adulthood occurs. The development is guided by a representation of the adult form in the DNA mind.
- How sense information processing occurs of even single cell organisms, responsiveness.
- How human intelligence originates, and how we can get instinctual biological ideas in our minds from DNA.

I saw some research which said that the basic mathematical ordering of the DNA system, is the same as the basic mathematical ordering of the universe. That makes a lot of sense to me that the DNA system would be like a repeating fractal of the basic ordering of the universe. It makes it credible that the DNA system operates as a mind, because I see a mind as being a sort of symbol universe in it's own right.

In general, I agree with you. The interacting stochastic processes which make up the biosphere have the information-processing capacity to produce the biological novelty which we observe.

But that is not ID.

 

[Nando Ronteltap]

In general, I agree with you. The interacting stochastic processes which make up the biosphere have the information-processing capacity to produce the biological novelty which we observe.

But that is not ID.

I think it's only ID if the theory is explicitly focused on decisionmaking processes as to how the design of organisms originates. And then they have to be sophisticated decisionmaking processes, and not just very many simple decisions.

 

[Tanj]

Maybe the DNA system works as a mind.

It doesn't.

That explains a lot.

Or indeed nothing.

However, to extend your metaphor, If I pick up some genomic instability due to DNA damage, let's say BCR/ABL1 9:22 translocation/fusion leading to CML, what does that say about my DNA mind? Or the intelligence of its design?

 

[Nando Ronteltap]

It doesn't.



Or indeed nothing.

However, to extend your metaphor, If I pick up some genomic instability due to DNA damage, let's say BCR/ABL1 9:22 translocation/fusion leading to CML, what does that say about my DNA mind? Or the intelligence of its design?

Please, please. You can get very sophisticated about the chemistry, but it is obvious this is beyond just chemistry. The CATG is better interpreted in terms of information theory. With 2 of the bases as start and stop, and 2 of the bases as binary. You are using very archaic simple science of chemistry to a high sophsitication.

And I note, to the best of my knowledge. There is no overall theory of development to adulthood. And all the other things, you are never going to get there with just sophisticated chemistry.

 

[Tanj]

Please, please. You can get very sophisticated about the chemistry

Or, you can have a reasonable understanding of the biochemistry of the cell before you start threads like this.

but it is obvious this is beyond just chemistry.

It's not obvious at all. You have absolutely no understanding of the chemistry involved, what hubris drives you to decide there's something beyond it?

The CATG is better interpreted in terms of information theory.

...which, so far, you have shown as much understanding of as the chemistry. That's none, in case it's not clear.

With 2 of the bases as start and stop

3. Codons are triplets.

and 2 of the bases as binary.

The binary what????

You are using very archaic simple science of chemistry to a high sophsitication.

I am using 30 years experience as a biological data analyst and data scientist. And there's nothing archaic nor simple about translocation driven oncogenesis.

And I note, to the best of my knowledge. There is no overall theory of development to adulthood. And all the other things, you are never going to get there with just sophisticated chemistry.

But understanding the sophisticate chemistry is step one. And if you want to understand development to adulthood them involvement in longitudinal inception cohorts is the way to go.

Only one of the people in this conversation has experience in longitudional pediatric cohorts. Guess which one it is.

 

[Nando Ronteltap]

I know very little, but, I am very sure about which scientists are on the right track, which scientists know a lot. And I am sure those scientists are on the right track, because I am very sure about the fundamentals that creationism teaches about choice and so on, the mechanism of creation. I can judge the work in relation to the fundamentals.

 

[SkyWriting]

The obvious way to find out how intelligent design works, is to look at how human intelligent design works. Basically intelligent design works with a mind. The mind is like a universe in it's own right. You can model things from the universe proper in it, and you can create new things in it yourself.

Maybe the DNA system works as a mind. Not just the DNA molecule, but the whole system with the associate amino acids, triplet codons etc. So it means the DNA system can make representations of things in the outside universe, and new things can be created in this DNA mind. That explains a lot.

- The functional integrated complexity of organisms (their design)
- How development to adulthood occurs. The development is guided by a representation of the adult form in the DNA mind.
- How sense information processing occurs of even single cell organisms, responsiveness.
- How human intelligence originates, and how we can get instinctual biological ideas in our minds from DNA.

I saw some research which said that the basic mathematical ordering of the DNA system, is the same as the basic mathematical ordering of the universe. That makes a lot of sense to me that the DNA system would be like a repeating fractal of the basic ordering of the universe. It makes it credible that the DNA system operates as a mind, because I see a mind as being a sort of symbol universe in it's own right.

God plans and executes the spin of each electron in the Cosmos.
He planned evolution on earth before His morning Coffee.

 

[Belk]

I know very little, but, I am very sure about which scientists are on the right track, which scientists know a lot. And I am sure those scientists are on the right track, because I am very sure about the fundamentals that creationism teaches about choice and so on, the mechanism of creation. I can judge the work in relation to the fundamentals.

Those two things go hand in hand quite frequently.

Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

 

[SkyWriting]

The obvious way to find out how intelligent design works, is to look at how human intelligent design works. Basically intelligent design works with a mind. The mind is like a universe in it's own right. You can model things from the universe proper in it, and you can create new things in it yourself.

Maybe the DNA system works as a mind. Not just the DNA molecule, but the whole system with the associate amino acids, triplet codons etc. So it means the DNA system can make representations of things in the outside universe, and new things can be created in this DNA mind. That explains a lot.

- The functional integrated complexity of organisms (their design)
- How development to adulthood occurs. The development is guided by a representation of the adult form in the DNA mind.
- How sense information processing occurs of even single cell organisms, responsiveness.
- How human intelligence originates, and how we can get instinctual biological ideas in our minds from DNA.

I saw some research which said that the basic mathematical ordering of the DNA system, is the same as the basic mathematical ordering of the universe. That makes a lot of sense to me that the DNA system would be like a repeating fractal of the basic ordering of the universe. It makes it credible that the DNA system operates as a mind, because I see a mind as being a sort of symbol universe in it's own right.

God pre-planned and is executing the location of each electron in it's cloud
and holds each electron in it's orbit at the right spot for each instant, for the Cosmos.

That's is an exhaustive covering of the working details, I briefly mentioned before.

Colossians 1:17
And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.