Instructive Comparisons #6

[WAB]

INSTRUCTIVE COMPARISONS #6​

In reference to: SANCTIFICATION​

1 Corinthians 1:1,2... “Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother. To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord, both theirs and ours.”

Hebrews 2:11.… “For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren.”

1 Peter 1:1,2... “Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2: elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit; for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ.”

Jude 1... “Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ;”

Since there are several different takes on just what it means to be sanctified, here is the definition of that word: The word “sanctified” in Greek is hagia[d]‘zo, and means: to make holy, to purify or consecrate, to set apart.

Since Paul, the writer of Hebrews (we will not address that issue here), Peter, and Jude all use the same terminology, doesn’t common sense tell us they were addressing the same subject?

Obviously, those who are sanctified enter into that state of being set apart and preservation by means of being “in Christ Jesus” as Paul phrased it; or.. being “in Jesus Christ” as Jude phrased it.

Would those who have declared that only Paul’s writings are for The Church/Body-of-Christ please explain How Peter and Jude arrived at the identical position of being sanctified by means of being “in Christ” if they were not an integral part of His Body?

Shalom… WAB

 

[eph3Nine]

Sanctification is to be set apart for a specific intention. Gods intention for Israel and His intention for we the Body of Christ are NOT one in the same. Yes, we both follow the same Christ, but one follows His earthly ministry and the instructions found there, and the other follows His HEAVENLY/Risen ministry thru the appointed spokesman to we the Body of Christ who is Paul. Moses was the appointed spokesman to Israel.

Gods final intent is to bring ALL things together in HIM, however, these two separate audiences will be serving Him in two separate locations..ONE on earth, and one in Heaven. To miss this PLOT TWIST is to miss the most spectacular display of the manifold wisdom of God that He tells us He wants us to be AWARE.

 

[WAB]

Sanctification is to be set apart for a specific intention. Gods intention for Israel and His intention for we the Body of Christ are NOT one in the same. Yes, we both follow the same Christ, but one follows His earthly ministry and the instructions found there, and the other follows His HEAVENLY/Risen ministry thru the appointed spokesman to we the Body of Christ who is Paul. Moses was the appointed spokesman to Israel.

Gods final intent is to bring ALL things together in HIM, however, these two separate audiences will be serving Him in two separate locations..ONE on earth, and one in Heaven. To miss this PLOT TWIST is to miss the most spectacular display of the manifold wisdom of God that He tells us He wants us to be AWARE.

eph, you repeatedly ignore Scripture that contradicts your extreme position.

To be "in Christ" is to be IN CHRIST!! Whether Peter, Paul, Jude, or whoever; and whoever is "in Christ" is part of the Body-of-Christ, which is the Church. Nothing mysterious about it.

Shalom... WAB

 

[eph3Nine]

Sorry...but you have NO proof scripturally that the Kingdom church, ie: Peter and the boys and anyone who beleived in the Messiah, was in the BODY OF CHRIST. Find me ONE reference to the Body of Christ in Peters epistles, or in Jesus words to Israel on earth. ITS NOT THERE!

The ONLY explanation lies in the MYSTERY information revealed to Paul. He is the ONLY one who even mentions THE BODY OF CHRIST...because IT is one of the mystery truths revealed ONLY TO PAUL. Its not a mystery because no one understood who the Kingdom church believers really WERE...they WERENT. They were a JEWISH church, not the Body of Christ. The body of Christ didnt BEGIN until God revealed His new program THRU PAUL and with Paul. It was part of what was HID IN GOD< and KEPT SECRET until due time.

You , my friend, have to IGNORE alot of scripture to jam Peter and the Kingdom saints into the Body of Christ, that is a NEW CREATION.

They are two different programs. The jews of times PAST believed in a prophesied MESSIAH. They will rule on the EARTH as God promised them. We will all be ONE under God, but ONLY ONE group will have the distinction of being called the Body of Christ and it will be those saved under Pauls ministry and the MYSTERY...not those saved under the Prophetic program.

Instead of gettin yer knickers in a twist over FACTS supported by scripture, why dont you actually LOOK to see that the programs are indeed DIFFERENT?

 

[WAB]

Sorry...but you have NO proof scripturally that the Kingdom church, ie: Peter and the boys and anyone who beleived in the Messiah, was in the BODY OF CHRIST. Find me ONE reference to the Body of Christ in Peters epistles, or in Jesus words to Israel on earth. ITS NOT THERE!

The ONLY explanation lies in the MYSTERY information revealed to Paul. He is the ONLY one who even mentions THE BODY OF CHRIST...because IT is one of the mystery truths revealed ONLY TO PAUL. Its not a mystery because no one understood who the Kingdom church believers really WERE...they WERENT. They were a JEWISH church, not the Body of Christ. The body of Christ didnt BEGIN until God revealed His new program THRU PAUL and with Paul. It was part of what was HID IN GOD< and KEPT SECRET until due time.

You , my friend, have to IGNORE alot of scripture to jam Peter and the Kingdom saints into the Body of Christ, that is a NEW CREATION.

They are two different programs. The jews of times PAST believed in a prophesied MESSIAH. They will rule on the EARTH as God promised them. We will all be ONE under God, but ONLY ONE group will have the distinction of being called the Body of Christ and it will be those saved under Pauls ministry and the MYSTERY...not those saved under the Prophetic program.

Instead of gettin yer knickers in a twist over FACTS supported by scripture, why dont you actually LOOK to see that the programs are indeed DIFFERENT?

eph... you are postulating here that Christ was/is not the Messiah.

 

[eph3Nine]

eph... you are postulating here that Christ was/is not the Messiah.

He was the Messiah to ISRAEL...He certainly isnt MY Messiah...He is MY head. He is the head of the church, which is His Body. The body of Christ didnt BEGIN , but was still HID IN GOD as even a concept UNTIL it was revealed to Paul.

Funny how you ignore all the pertinent information and slide right into something that wasnt even intimated. Christ is not preached as OUR Messiah, but He sure was to Israel...why? Because the PROPHETIC program presented Him as such.

Since you dont acknowledge anything but Israels program...YOU should KNOW that! Tsk , Tsk Tsk.

Put yer money where your mouth is, sir. Show me ONE scripture where Peter, one of the twelve or Christ in His ministry on earth EVER mentions "the Body of Christ." If they KNEW they were part of the Body, then why did those words NEVER pass their lips?????

 

[WAB]

He was the Messiah to ISRAEL...He certainly isnt MY Messiah...He is MY head. He is the head of the church, which is His Body. The body of Christ didnt BEGIN , but was still HID IN GOD as even a concept UNTIL it was revealed to Paul.

Funny how you ignore all the pertinent information and slide right into something that wasnt even intimated. Christ is not preached as OUR Messiah, but He sure was to Israel...why? Because the PROPHETIC program presented Him as such.

Since you dont acknowledge anything but Israels program...YOU should KNOW that! Tsk , Tsk Tsk.

Put yer money where your mouth is, sir. Show me ONE scripture where Peter, one of the twelve or Christ in His ministry on earth EVER mentions "the Body of Christ." If they KNEW they were part of the Body, then why did those words NEVER pass their lips?????

Put yer money where your mouth is, sir. Show me ONE scripture where Peter, one of the twelve or Christ in His ministry on earth EVER mentions "the Body of Christ." If they KNEW they were part of the Body, then why did those words NEVER pass their lips?????

Have a look at the post "Three Questions" and you will see that I have "put my money where my mouth is" or, to be more exact, showed where "those words [DID] pass their lips"!!!!!

 

[eph3Nine]

Nope...sorry, no cigar. You didnt show it because it never happened.

Christ on earth was the prophesied Messiah to ISRAEL. Since you and I were considered "dogs" and strangers to the covenants of promise, aliens to the commonwealth of Israel, and without God (which under Israels program was entirely CORRECT), then show me where the disciples ever mentioned the BODY OF CHRIST or offered it to anyone! YOU cannot do it, because they NEVER DID! They offered a KINGDOM program to JEWS FIRST, and until the NATION accepted their Messiah they werent allowed to go to ANY gentiles. The Nation never DID....so your premise falls flat on its face from not only lack of scriptural understanding from NOT rightly dividing the Word, but from lack of scriptural SUPPORT.

Now stop yakking on about things you know NOTHING about. You are here to deceive and I find it distasteful.

 

[WAB]

Nope...sorry, no cigar. You didnt show it because it never happened.

Christ on earth was the prophesied Messiah to ISRAEL. Since you and I were considered "dogs" and strangers to the covenants of promise, aliens to the commonwealth of Israel, and without God (which under Israels program was entirely CORRECT), then show me where the disciples ever mentioned the BODY OF CHRIST or offered it to anyone! YOU cannot do it, because they NEVER DID! They offered a KINGDOM program to JEWS FIRST, and until the NATION accepted their Messiah they werent allowed to go to ANY gentiles. The Nation never DID....so your premise falls flat on its face from not only lack of scriptural understanding from NOT rightly dividing the Word, but from lack of scriptural SUPPORT.

Now stop yakking on about things you know NOTHING about. You are here to deceive and I find it distasteful.

Your ad-hominem attacks actually do not lend any credence to your arguments eph...