Innocence and Knowledge

[Crosssword]

I think I have found the secret. The thing which if Jesus if had told the pharisees they would have turned and repented.

All my life I have been selfish, therefore I was lead into more evil then good. I didn't even see it. I got into lots of bands, music, shows, video games, etc. They became as idols. I became a complete introvert living in my own head. I treated this world like a playground when really it is a battleground.

Open minds are subverted. People get angry at Christian's thinking us closeminded.

40 days God flooded the Earth
40 days moses went up to mount Sinai to give us the ten commandments
40 days Jesus fasted And prayed
40 years, starting in 1980 - 2020 knowledge will be complete

With knowledge complete people will beat death and become immortal again. The LHC is trying to find the god particle. They will seek death and not find it. They dare to defy God and seek him on their own, not as humble servants, but through illumination, drugs, sensory pleasures of all sorts, etc. It was out of love that I sought him, but along the way I fell into wrong doing, we all have. All my life I have tried to balance my love for God with my love for life, and missed that Jesus was opposing this world in a very serious way. Well I have always despised money and have never served it, but neither was I serving God.

"He who will seek to keep his life shall lose it, he who will lose his life for me shall find it."

I am in danger of hellfire, thus I repent deeply and sincerely. I was subtly beguiled into this life one little tiny step at a time. Now I am trying to turn it around, but the hour is getting late. Fear him that can destroy the soul, not the body. My walk with Christ never ended, nor did it really begin. God has struggled with me though and were it not for my father I would have become a priest. It's what I wanted to do originally, and somehow I found myself pushing God away, but he knew that I really wanted him in my heart. It was not a heart that really wanted the world, it only thought it did.

That Christ is the son of God, God in the flesh, is completely indisputable to me now. I should have demonstrated discipline and determination and sought to give rather then get. I was duped into a life of introversion when I should have come to God. I have been living in sin.

Without giving it much thought I have put other gods before God, I have succumbed to idols every time I delight in music, art, masterpieces, etc. I have masturbated lustfully, I have stolen, I have lied, I have envied, I have wanted, well I have not beared false witness. I have downloaded files illegally, in my disdain to money. I have been Chaotic Good when I should have Lawful Good.

Also love thy neighbor as thyself. Also love the Lord with all your heart and soul and strength and mind. On these rests all the prophets and law.

This life is not mine. This body belongs to God therefore I am his humble servant, if he will yet forgive me. He has opened my eyes, why bother doing that if he doesn't have mercy.

Oh what a friend we have in Jesus. He knew that we couldn't be perfect on our own and that he had to die to save our sins. It's not too late yet though, I can still turn my life around. Whatever months, days, and years are left they belong to God now.

Maybe that I have found this my life has had some merit after all. It was a life of sin, but shall be no longer. The time is just about here for everyone to make their choice between the real Christ and the antichrist.

"I have chosen the things of fools to shame the wise."
In Habbakuk God says he will use the people who were spoiled by the evil ones to spoil them.

That would be us. The little people. Though I have been led into sin, I was always on the side of the people and I always despised the establishment, the system. etc. With their mind control and remote viewing and forbidden angelic psychics, we have become as victims. Though I have lived decadently I have also cried and mourned and suffered throughout my life.

So my sins, our sins, are nothing like the worlds. For they actually kill people, actually commit adultery, actually worship idols, actually put other gods before them, actually steal from all of us all the time, they do not honor the heavenly Father or the bridge of Christ, they covet, they envy, they bear false witness in the courts. Jesus was largely condemning the working world.

However all sin is sin, and Jesus died to forgive us of sin. He is the only way to God. Oh that he is very loving and merciful, for he understands the sins we have fallen into. That he will yet us. For even the Christian is not perfect, we have our walk with Christ and we love him, but it's not easy to be free of sin all the time.

Even those who don't know him may be given another chance after the 1000 year reign of Christ, but those who have actually done this to the world, at the very top, they will burn forever. Those who willfully embrace evil will perish. Thats the big difference between me and my dad, I never became a black witch, or satanist. Those who know the Holy Spirit even a little bit have the conscience to mourn and grieve. I have tortured myself hoping to find some way to convert the whole world to Christianity. That was my original goal which I lost sight of. For I desired to save souls, just as all Christians do. It saddens me that I was lead so far astray, but the evil forces in my life were tremendously powerful. Silencing me was top priority.

I don't think knowledge is inherently wrong, but wisdom is required to interpret and understand scripture, especially prophecy. So I shouldn't hate myself for having sought wisdom and found it, even though I did lead my own version of the sinful decadant life, I also lived in sorrow. Gods claim on me is yet strong. Jesus said we are all as Gods, just like the serpent said we would be, but we did it through disobedience to God. Thus death truly was the error of our ways, for we had intelligence without wisdom.

God will not let anyone get into heaven without righteousness. Without good moral character. Jesus was sent so that sins could be forgiven and we could have a relationship with him, or else we would be stuck with karma and reincarnation perhaps. For sure no one would be saved without him.

 

[vespasia]

Crossword there is nothing wrong with being an introvert who needs space and quiet times. It becomes problematic if you fail to interact with other people and live in an alternative reality to the one you physically life in. That may indicate that you need someone to talk stuff through with.

40 days God flooded the Earth
40 days moses went up to mount Sinai to give us the ten commandments
40 days Jesus fasted And prayed
40 years, starting in 1980 - 2020 knowledge will be complete

You are using numerology again. Not good.

Your post tells me you have not grasped what the Higgs bosan particle could be and leapt at the sound bite headlines and possibly mixed it in with Dan Browns fiction. Perhaps you should leave the science stuff alone until you make links with Christians who are physicists.

Do you have any idea of the heavy requirements to be a Christian priest, pastor or minister? Any idea of how many Christians serve God without being a priest? It is not about what you want- that is about what God wills and calls a person to be formed into- and it is painful.

Please do not use RPG or LARP designations of good on this forum- its not biblical for it is a human catagory and yet another diversion from focussing upon God.

Look your human you may have an idealistic notion of never sinning agian but you will and if you do not accept that Christ is there as an advocate when we get too human you will set yourself up to fail as a follower of Christ rather than grow into being more Christ like with every step you take in following Christ.

I assure you institutions have no need to resort to mind control, remote viewing etc- leave that to the more out there conspiracy theorists as that way real insanity lies.

You are correct that sin is sin- God does not grade sin as we do to god sin is sin.

Occult 101- black witches are a Christian invention- thank you Doreen Irvine for distracting Christians so throughly with that drug fuelled psychosis. No such thing outside of the rumours prevailing within the Christian church. A small group formed in the states in the late 1990's using Christian spiritual warfrae manuels as their guide of how to set themselves up it was not pretty or long lasting.
Satanism is not what Christians assume it is either.
Sadly it is Christian assumptions over this that can make it so hard for anyone from such paths to take what Christians have to say about Christ seriously.

Being saved is not about having a good moral character- its about knowing Christ.

 

[UnimaginablyHappy]

40 days God flooded the Earth
40 days moses went up to mount Sinai to give us the ten commandments
40 days Jesus fasted And prayed
40 years, starting in 1980 - 2020 knowledge will be complete

Hello Crosssword !

Please excuse my ignorance, but what did you mean by the bolded? I don't understand what started in 1980?

Reading through your post, it seems as if you are on the right track knowing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sin, and that everyone sins. If you still feel an urge to become a priest, that may be God calling you .

As for the Satanists and black witches...we know they will not prevail because the Bible says so. In today's society when sin (drinking, drugs, cursing, idolatry, pre-marital sex, greed etc.) is seen as normal, it doesn't seem that way, but that is why we have to put on the armor of the Holy Spirit so that we can fight through, as you posted, this battlefield of sin.

I'm really not an expert, and I try not post things that I am not certain of so I can't really go in depth, but I really hope this helps you !

 

[Crosssword]

You make some good points, and I thank you for them. I know Christianity is about the walk with and grace of Christ, but it's hard not to feel guilty when you look at your life and realize you haven't been paying much attention to him, have committed a whole bunch of sins, and haven't gotten anywhere.

1980 was when Crowley predicted his work would begin. It also has to do with Zionist Illuminati banker cartel, (Google Henry Makow) The Higgs is the 1 perfect particle compared to 1,00,000,000,000,000,000 etc imperfect ones. It's like the eternal truth at the center of Infinity. I was also thinking about the particles sliding into each other. It's kind of taking a chicken and an egg and causing them to be within each other.

Well my father called himself a black witch, so you're going to have to do a lot better then that to convince me of your occult notions. They don't make any sense to me.

Agree that it's not about what I want, its about what God wants of me.

What do you think will happen in 2012?

I'm getting a bit scared because on the reluctant messenger website they are talking about becoming immortal, and supposedly there is a man called Babaji in India who has lived for 2000 years. This might be the watchers, or it might be a reference to "In those days men shall seek death and not find it." We are supposedly seeing miracles happening in the old world. People coming back to life after death. Check out the book Megashift.

What do you think about "Core Apostolics?"

It scares me to think of immortals who burn forever, and Christians who will be beheaded or killed in the tribulation. It's hard to stop thinking about death and the end of the world for me. I am fearful and cannot seem to help it.

 

[vespasia]

1980 was when Crowley predicted his work would begin. It also has to do with Zionist Illuminati banker cartel,

What on earth have you been reading now ????????????????

If you father called himself a black witch then he had not got clue. Seriously. Thank you Ms. Irvine. Using Christian books as a basis for reactive Do it meself satanism is not wise.

Such do not exist outside of Christian literature. I can cite prime source to support this but as it could breach the forum rules I will not do so without an admins permission although the scholarly 'Lure of the sinister- the unnatural history of satanism' as an academic work may be okay to mention.

Lets just say my grasp of the LHP is good enough to spot the gaffs your making here and you should thank God your making them on a christian forum and not an occult one -hence my constantly telling you to contact the chaplains here and let them help to get you in contact with a good christian fellowship.

 

[Crosssword]

Black magick is "do as thou wildt" white magick is "harm none." Send me a private message if you do not want to violate the forums rule. Neither do I of course and I apologize sincerely if anything is getting that way here. Me and my father having studied occult stuff throughout our lives so please forgive if I don't immediately assume everything we know to be wrong JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY SO.

It's true that the early roman church went out of it's way to kill every pagan or practitioner of any kind of magic. Many believe the catholic pope is the antichrist: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/ part of that is why I allowed myself to study more then just the Bible. My heart is always for the victim, the poor, the little people. So if pagans were the minority then thats where I went.

henrymakow.com - exposing feminism and the new world order

This site talks about the Zionist Illuminati Luciferian Banker Cartel which rules the world.

 

[vespasia]

I will not send you a pm to circumnavigate the forum rules. I do not believe in handing a box of matches to small children either.

You cannot have read let alone studied the 'l et l' your simply citing 'everyone knows' assumptions about this straight off conspiracy sites and your reading conspiracy theories rather than stepping back and studying using reliable sources and using discernment.

 

[Crosssword]

Well, as you have nothing better or convincing to tell me I will continue to do so. And how it is circumventing rules to send PM? Nobody rules over what a person says to one another in private.

Admit it, you just can't think of anything to counter my arguments and this is your excuse. You never correct me on anything, you simply disagree. That's rather pathetic in my book.

I apologize if this is offensive. I like you as a Christian and agree with a lot you have said, I guess we simply are not going to see eye to eye about occult stuff.

 

[vespasia]

Then provide formal citations and references, support your stance and arguments following this forum rule and move it to a more aprobraite forum folder.
I suggest struggles by none Christians as there is no occult recovery folder.

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And be aware of this rule.

Satanism
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As the occult is derived from the latin occultus to conceal, to hide this discussion stays in light so chaplains may follow it.

 

[Crosssword]

yeah, forget I asked. Occult stuff is stupid anyway. Most things that have to be done in secret are bad.

All things are possible through the God of love. Why try and go around him?

I am feeling his light so strongly right now I'm about this close to jumping out of my skin. Love is what holds this universe together, with it all is possible. So sad is the world, that it hide from his exalted splendour.

You either follow the love or you don't. If you don't you'll break every single commandment eventually. What you give is what you get.

 

[vespasia]

Whilst all things may be possible not all things are beneficial. [1 Corinthians 10:23]

Thankfully God is truly love and because God truly is love God is capable and liable to grab hold of those whose hearts seek God to keep them from getting into too much trouble. Gods love is not human love - it is something bigger, better more than and completely beyond our minds ability to begin to even imagine. Sadly English is not greek so the seven words used to describe the various kinds of love in the NT tend to be translated as simply 'love' and in this instance I think something has been lost in the translation due to language limitations.

I will have a look in the notes I have in this old 'pute from work I have done in the past and something I am working on for a christian online group. I will post it in this folder later once I have checked the ref's are still up to date. [Basic guide to locating a good fellowship if you have come from a LHP]

 

[vespasia]

Looking for a Christian fellowship.

This can take time. You can use search engines such as ‘find a church’ to help narrow down what is available in the area you live. Take time to locate and read their ‘statement of faith’ and other information so you can get a broad idea of what type of church this may be.

Please bear in mind not all churches have websites and it is still worth looking at a church that does not if you have had a word of mouth recommendation about it.

Different churches suit different people.

A big noisy charismatic service can be great for an extrovert who wishes to express how they feel before God but that would be horrible for an introvert. A more traditional liturgical service with silences would be wonderful for someone who likes spaces to think and pray quietly but would be awful for an extrovert. A few churches offer a mix of things through a variety of services as they are aware God does not make everyone the same.

Think of how God made you and ask God to help you find a fellowship where your shape has a chance of fitting in so you can begin to grow in Christ.

Whilst it is nice to locate a place where people know where you have come from that is not nearly as important as finding a fellowship where people know who Christ is and how to put into practice following him. As a rough rule of thumb percentage wise there are very few folk out there who follow any form of occult path so it follows the percent of folk who move from them to follow Christ will be even smaller. God however is God and capable of providing us with what we need rather than what we want. If God knows you have a need to know your not the only person in this world who has moved from say left or right paths to Christ then God can and often will open doors so you can network. It still remains unlikely that there will be anyone close to your home.

Be wary of any minister of fellowship who slavishly follows an ‘occult checklist’. Too often occult checklists appear to have been devised by people who appear to have little understanding of what normal and natural developmental stages and related behaviours occur during adolescence. They also use secondary rather than primary source information to support preconceived notions. Remember the majority of pastors and priests do try to offer real help to those under their care. Time constraints upon a pastor with a larger church can be such that a checklist devised from a Christian source that has proved helpful in other areas of pastoral care can often be accepted without question by a pastor who has no idea of the current reality of occult beliefs. Such lists cannot and should not replace the essential pastoral care skill of active listening. I cannot emphasise that enough. Look for a fellowship where people not only have the obedience to listen to God but also to one another. In such places good discipleship can often take root. If your not being listened to and challenged this may not be the church for you.

Most churches offer some form of course introducing Christian beliefs. This suits most peoples needs well but for those who are more intellectual, polymaths or who prefer to seek answers to deeper questions such courses may not meet your learning needs and could hinder you getting to know Christ. Talk to the churches pastor if this is the case, there are some very good Christian theology books and journals out there that do wrestle with some of those tougher issues on a far deeper level than ever Alpha, Exploring Christianity or 3-D courses can do. Some churches do have theologians and similar as members who may be happy to chat in depth with you; a few may be able to provide such as Christian mentors.

Be wary of distractions, detours and deceptions. All of these pull your eyes away from God and no one is immune for falling for such.
Be wary of any church that has developed a greater focus on fighting the work of the enemy rather than supporting the work of God.
Be wary of any church that spends more time studying conspiracy theories than scripture.
Be wary of any church that places its public face above the needs of Christ’s people.
Be wary of any church that talks of love but does not practice it amongst one another and with their neighbours outside of the body of Christ.

Look for a place that welcomes people as they are, encourages them to become the people they could be through and with Christ, supports them when they slip by pointing them back towards Christ, joyfully shares what they have been blessed with others in need without manipulation or hidden agendas and above all look for a fellowship who place Christ firmly at their centre.

 

[Crosssword]

7 types of love huh. Now you've caught my interest.

I can think of a couple, but it's hard to put them into words.

Tough Love - A love derived from wisdom
Tolerance - A love derived from strength
Cuteness - A love derived from innocence
Serenity - A love derived from meditation
Worship - A love derived from faith
Passion - A love derived from Action
Mercy - A love derived from forgiveness
Bliss - A love derived from happiness
Pity - A love derived from sadness
Sex - A love derived from union

We see his pity when we cry out to him in suffering and when he sees us on the wrong path.
We see his tough love in his wisdom, commandments, and judgment over the enemy
We occassionaly see his cuteness and sense of humor in our walk with him
We see his passion and his mercy through Jesus Christ. God passionately gave his life for us.
We see his tolerance in his longsuffering to us.
We see his mercy in our repentence to him.
We see his miracles in our worship of him
We sense his bliss and serenity up in heaven
We see his version of unity in that he created us. We express it appropriately through procreation alone.


Okay, so I did better then think of a couple. I think we need a better word then pity though, for the love that we feel when we are deeply moved by someone's tragic experiences.

Also, good advice on the looking for fellowship.

 

[vespasia]

See if you can get a copy of C.S. Lewis 'The four loves'.

 

[Crosssword]

Hmm. Let's add Delight and make pity number 11. That way everything syncs up