Infinite monkey theorem vs first life

[Kenny'sID]

. Explain how theropod dinosaurs fit exactly what we would expect,

Please be very clear with the question, as it is written, it just sound weird.

human share many characteristics from dinosaurs, but if we were to be dinosaurs there are many things we DON'T share,

That makes no sense whatsoever, please be clear on your points.

refute without being silly.

Make an understandable comment I can refute. Thus far I've skipped what you failed to make clear but if you insist on answers I'm afraid I must insist you make your supposed points clear.

 

[loveofourlord]

Please be very clear with the question, as it is written, it just sound weird.



That makes no sense whatsoever, please be clear on your points.



Make an understandable comment I can refute. Thus far I've skipped what you failed to make clear but if you insist on answers I'm afraid I must insist you make your supposed points clear.

Sorry it was late heh.

explain how theropod dinosaurs fit where we would expect them to fit in the tree if birds descended from them. Having feathers and such. The prediction that birds evolved from them was made before we found the feathers.

I think on humans I got it backwards. My point is, it's not just what we would expect to see that we share in common, but the things we wouldn't expect to see if evolution was false. While we share many things with dinosaurs, we share far more with other apes and monkey's. Such as hair, where the tail used to be, broken genes that once benefited our ancestors, but no longer work. We even share many of the mistakes, and differences in our DNA that has no effect, such as ERV's, chronosonal flips and so on. we share no such things with birds and such that arn't shared with other apes, and such.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Therapods are sub-order of the dinosaur clade. Birds are modern therapods, derived from the coelurosauria clade of therapods.

Are birds dinosaurs as has been stated?

We're still evolving.

If birds evolved from thrapods, or for that matter, if anything evolved from anything, and are still evolving, where are all the in between/the missing links? There should be an infinite number of different creatures in the fossil record and not just bits an pieces? I mean since we were supposedly very slow at changing, there would be thousands/millions, billions, or whatever times more in between creatures than are alive today in their present form, as well as at least some proof we are changing in those alive today.

Where are they all?

 

[Kenny'sID]

The prediction that birds evolved from them was made before we found the feathers.

I think you all make far too much from a simple prediction, and how is that evidence of evolution? .

 

[46AND2]

Evolution still does not work. Please don't tell me that micro-evolution is the same as macro evolution. One example: How does a cold blooded creature develop a complex closed loop heating and cooling system to regulate blood temperature. If any part of the system fails, the creature dies. I know something about thermal regulation in industrial applications. It is highly complex. You need to sense the temperature, decide upper and lower limits, program responses to changing temperature (such as changing blood flow to surface for cooling or subsurface to retain heat), increase or reduce heart rate, activate sweat glands - enormously complex. How does an organism even know that it needs to regulate temperature? Multiply that by digestion, breathing, excretion and knowing what food is. The lung is an astonishing organ for oxygenating blood. How does an organism know that it has to accelerate its breathing rate when physical activity increases? What told it? Obviously I do not believe in "what". Rather, who.

There are plenty of resources that you can look up to learn about the evolution of warm-blooded animals. Google Scholar turns up nearly 50k hits.

Incredulity is not a compelling argument against how evolution happened, and it is virtually irrelevant against whether it happened.

 

[Yttrium]

There should be an infinite number of different creatures in the fossil record and not just bits an pieces?

Fossilization is very rare in the first place, and fossils can easily be destroyed over time. We're very fortunate when we find any fossils at all.

Besides, if we doubled the number of fossils, we'd have double the number of missing links between them...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Are birds dinosaurs as has been stated?

Yes, phylogenetically they are dinosaurs, i.e. they are a clade of the therapod dinosaurs, sometimes known as 'avian dinosaurs'.

If birds evolved from thrapods, or for that matter, if anything evolved from anything, and are still evolving, where are all the in between/the missing links? There should be an infinite number of different creatures in the fossil record and not just bits an pieces? I mean since we were supposedly very slow at changing, there would be thousands/millions, billions, or whatever times more in between creatures than are alive today in their present form, as well as at least some proof we are changing in those alive today.

Where are they all?

Fossilization is very rare, accessible fossils are much rarer, and fossils that we have found are rarer still.

The relatively recent discoveries of fossil beds of early and intermediate avian dinosaurs in China and Germany have greatly increased the number of specimens - the gaps are being filled.

The fact that we now know that many other dinosaurs were feathered and may well have been mesothermic, also provides additional contextual supporting evidence.

Some living bird species, the ratites (ostrich family) and tinamous appear to have changed relatively little compared to the majority of bird species, so are anatomically closer to those early birds.

 

[SLP]

Evolution still does not work. Please don't tell me that micro-evolution is the same as macro evolution.

Of course it isn't.

Microevolution adds up to produce the patterns of macroevolution we see.

 

[loveofourlord]

I think you all make far too much from a simple prediction, and how is that evidence of evolution? .

it's not a simple prediction, it's a prediction based upon what we know of evolution and such. Funny again how it was the theropods that had feathers, not crocodiles, or sauropods, it just magickally happened to be the ones that fit evolution.

It also matters, because this isn't adhoc, well they both have feathers must have evoled like creationists like to dissmiss evidence as just being like you said before, they have simularities. We predicted they would have feathers and they do.

Leaves god being decietful to have animals in the fossil record that work perfectly with evolution's predictions.

 

[loveofourlord]

quiet the incredible bit of coincidences or deceit by god that we manage to always find just the fossils we predict will be out there, from whale fossils to human ancestors, to feathered dinosaurs you name it.

 

[loveofourlord]

Are birds dinosaurs as has been stated?



If birds evolved from thrapods, or for that matter, if anything evolved from anything, and are still evolving, where are all the in between/the missing links? There should be an infinite number of different creatures in the fossil record and not just bits an pieces? I mean since we were supposedly very slow at changing, there would be thousands/millions, billions, or whatever times more in between creatures than are alive today in their present form, as well as at least some proof we are changing in those alive today.

Where are they all?

we have tons of fossils, some liniedges more complete then others, but of course we dont' need every single fossil, when they all fit the predictions of science and evolution, and we never find any that don't work.

 

[Aussie Pete]

quiet the incredible bit of coincidences or deceit by god that we manage to always find just the fossils we predict will be out there, from whale fossils to human ancestors, to feathered dinosaurs you name it.

Evolutionists have an amazing capacity to make the observations fit the theory, sorry, "facts". Every few months some new discovery comes along that blows some evolutionary "fact" out of the water. There is NO mechanism that enables evolution. 3,000 fruit flies are just variations, they have not evolved. Darwin's finches are still finches, whatever beak length they have. The "Cambrian Explosion"? It was a 70 million year period when I was younger. Now that "fact" has been amended to 10 million years. I don't care that people believe in evolution. I care that this myth is promoted as fact and that a reasonable and plausible alternative is prevented from being taught. I was privileged to be taught both evolution and creation as equally valid propositions. Evolution made little sense to me. It was not a religious decision. I was not a Christian. Evolution makes even less sense now.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Of course it isn't.

Microevolution adds up to produce the patterns of macroevolution we see.

How come no one can produce this amazing effect in a lab? No one has been able to turn a fruit fly into a bee or a wasp or whatever. Last figure I had was 3,000 variants. Every one was still a fruit fly. Of course, you can genetically engineer something. Which takes a great deal of ingenuity and intelligence. Not totally random events.

 

[Speedwell]

How come no one can produce this amazing effect in a lab? No one has been able to turn a fruit fly into a bee or a wasp or whatever.

Who has been trying to? You might give us a link to which of the fruit-fly researchers were actually trying to produce a new species--and failed.

 

[pitabread]

I care that this myth is promoted as fact and that a reasonable and plausible alternative is prevented from being taught.

1) Evolution is not a myth. It's an observable process that occurs in populations of organisms and the theory of evolution is a legitimate scientific theory that explains that process and how this process has shaped populations of organisms over time.

2) Creationism is not taught (in the US) because it was ruled by the Supreme Court to be a religious belief and teaching it in publically funded schools would be a violation of U.S. Constitutional law.

These are the facts of the situation.

 

[loveofourlord]

Evolutionists have an amazing capacity to make the observations fit the theory, sorry, "facts". Every few months some new discovery comes along that blows some evolutionary "fact" out of the water. There is NO mechanism that enables evolution. 3,000 fruit flies are just variations, they have not evolved. Darwin's finches are still finches, whatever beak length they have. The "Cambrian Explosion"? It was a 70 million year period when I was younger. Now that "fact" has been amended to 10 million years. I don't care that people believe in evolution. I care that this myth is promoted as fact and that a reasonable and plausible alternative is prevented from being taught. I was privileged to be taught both evolution and creation as equally valid propositions. Evolution made little sense to me. It was not a religious decision. I was not a Christian. Evolution makes even less sense now.

You know why the cambrian explosion changed? Because we found all those fossils before it that showed it wasn't so sudden a explosion of life, shooting down the claim that it was this sudden thing.

What do you mean there is no mechanism that enables evolution, you got it backwards there is no mechanism that stops evolution or prevents micro from befcoming macro.

you talk about fruit flies and such, as someone else pointed out what scientist was trying to make fruit flies into something else? Or dogs, and guess what, no matter what dogs or fruit flies changed into they would still be fruit flies or dogs.

and give some examples of new discoveries that blow evolution out of the water this year, go ahead I'm waiting. This just sounds like the usual vapid creationist propaganda like, "Scientists are abandoning evolution." that isn't happening.

alternatives arn't taught because they arn't science, and poking holes in evolution won't prove creationism or c-design, especially when most attempts to poke holes are laughable. Your own post here shows a severe lack of understanding in evolution, how should I or anyone take your claims seriously if you don't undersand that which you attack.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Yes, phylogenetically they are dinosaurs,

And does that help to back the evolution claim?

Fossilization is very rare, accessible fossils are much rarer, and fossils that we have found are rarer still.

Of course they're rare....thank you.

Problem with that is, as I already alluded, over the so-called slow process of evolution there would be hundreds or even thousands/millions or more (actually the numbers would be off the charts) in between creature that led up to what we have today, while instead, there are all but none. You are depending in the "bit's and pieces" that I already told you just won't work here (they only work against your claim) in order to make your point?

For example, let's take an ape or whatever it is you all think we evolved from, now where are the all but never ending amount of fossils that gradually turned into a man? IOW, if we find several ape fossils and several modern man fossils there would have to be tons of slowly evolving creatures fossils in between there, and for all intents and purposes, we might as well say there are none.

Again, where are they all?

 

[Kenny'sID]

we have tons of fossils, some liniedges more complete then others, but of course we dont' need every single fossil, when they all fit the predictions of science and evolution, and we never find any that don't work.

You simply aren't paying attention. Please see if my last post helps.

 

[Kenny'sID]

it's not a simple prediction, it's a prediction based upon what we know of evolution and such. Funny again how it was the theropods that had feathers, not crocodiles, or sauropods, it just magickally happened to be the ones that fit evolution.

You sill aren't being clear, I need the whole thing...what did you "know about evolution" in the case of the feathered species of dinosaurs, that predicted what, and what does all of it prove?

Step by step please.

 

[loveofourlord]

And does that help to back the evolution claim?



Of course they're rare....thank you.

Problem with that is, as I already alluded, over the so-called slow process of evolution there would be hundreds or even thousands/millions or more (actually the numbers would be off the charts) in between creature that led up to what we have today, while instead, there are all but none. You are depending in the "bit's and pieces" that I already told you just won't work here (they only work against your claim) in order to make your point?

For example, let's take an ape or whatever it is you all think we evolved from, now where are the all but never ending amount of fossils that gradually turned into a man? IOW, if we find several ape fossils and several modern man fossils there would have to be tons of slowly evolving creatures fossils in between there, and for all intents and purposes, we might as well say there are none.

Again, where are they all?

it's not like were only finding one of each species, there are multiple of each species such as Australopithecus and so on, and it's the degree they change and how they change that matters.

and you creationists with your gaps, your so cute, you really should at some point stop with the whole, "Well idiots now you made two new gaps show me those fossils." it just makes you look silly.

and remember I asked for stuff that wasn't just, "Uhuh that don't count." bring some actual evidence against evolution and not just hand waving.