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First, water does not save. Maybe it would be better if we held back from satirizing the sacrament every time it is referred to. It is because Our Lord instituted it that we practice it at all, you know.Then if the water is what saves how did Christ say you will see paradise
That's hard to say, because baptism is not absolutely necessary for salvation.Then.... why the big worry about baptizing a baby.... if it may grow up and chose another path in life...
Again... will..... someone..... please.... tell me....
What happens to a baby, if the parents don't have it baptized and it dies as an infant?????????????
Pretty sure we agree unsure why it seems as if you are trying to correct me?First, water does not save. Maybe it would be better if we held back from satirizing the sacrament every time it is referred to. It is because Our Lord instituted it that we practice it at all, you know.
Second, Christ can personally save whomever he chooses. When Baptism was instituted, it was for all the millions who would come later and not have a face-to-face meeting with Christ in which the person could affirm to Christ personally that he or she believed in Him.
UgghhhhhhThat's hard to say, because baptism is not absolutely necessary for salvation.
You cannot save anyone else by your actions, any sprinkling of any water mingled with anything.
JacksBratt said:One is only saved by cognitively and consciously understanding and admitting that:
1/ They are a sinner and have no hope of anything under their own power to pay the price for their sins... thus must die.
2/Christ paid the price for your sins.
3/ Humble yourself, admit that you are a sinner and need Christ.
4/ Ask for the free gift of salvation from Christ....
Babies cannot do any of this.
JacksBratt said:Babies... if they die.. baptized or not... go to heaven...
JacksBratt said:Only those that have reached a level of mental ability to consciously understand that they are a sinner... are capable of knowing that they have accepted or rejected Christ.
No human that never reaches an age of mentally understanding that they need Christ... will ever be denied eternal life.
The answer to that question hinges on just what are the significance and fruits of water baptism.Hi Family,
Can you please explain to me the logic and reasoning behind infant baptism?
~Natsumi Lam~
If circumcision had eternal implication like salvation. Christ saved with heart and mouth. Infants cant with heart and mouth.
If medicine had eternal implications yes.
God grants faith. Not baptism.
You say we dont have a choice on salvation?
Do baptised infants have a choice of salvation under your belief?
Together, various passages gradually draw together a fuller picture:Whats that?
It's best not to approach the Bible as matter of logic and reasoning. But circumcision as a sign of the covenant in the OT (Genesis 17) is replaced with the same meaning by baptism in the NT (Colossians 2). The covenant given to Abraham continues in meaning but not in its form in the NT fulfilled by Jesus. Baptism does not save the baby, according to the Reformed Protestant view, but it looks forward to its fulfillment in the new birth in the child or later. Adult baptism happens after that hoped-for event, but infant baptism happens before it with the parents' promises to raise the child in the faith. That in a nutshell is infant baptism.Hi Family,
Can you please explain to me the logic and reasoning behind infant baptism?
~Natsumi Lam~
Hi Family,
Can you please explain to me the logic and reasoning behind infant baptism?
~Natsumi Lam~
This i can understand however i would think it would be more beneficial and cause less issues if they didn't as you stated its really just a ritual but seeing as its for the parents not the infantIt's best not to approach the Bible as matter of logic and reasoning. But circumcision as a sign of the covenant in the OT (Genesis 17) is replaced with the same meaning by baptism in the NT (Colossians 2). The covenant given to Abraham continues in meaning but not in its form in the NT fulfilled by Jesus. Baptism does not save the baby, according to the Reformed Protestant view, but it looks forward to its fulfillment in the new birth in the child or later. Adult baptism happens after that hoped-for event, but infant baptism happens before it with the parents' promises to raise the child in the faith. That in a nutshell is infant baptism.
Hard to say that considering there were household baptisms.All those in the NT were adults and asked to be baptized....
No?
You wouldn't expect an evangelist to make children his main targets, especially when the whole world was then being presented with a new religion. No, if it were you, you would go first to adults, but that doesn't mean children were excluded from baptism. We have evidence in scripture that children of those adults you were thinking of were baptized .All those in the NT were adults and asked to be baptized....
No?
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